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172. As President Obama defines a U.S foreign policy vision,
Edited on Wed Nov-19-08 09:18 PM by ProSense
but he doesn't write the laws of the land. That is the Senate's responsibility. He can sign or veto laws, but the laws are written by Congress.

The SoS serves the President. In that role, the person doesn't set policy or write laws. It's a prestigious position, but it is primarily a position for carrying out diplomacy and negotiations on behalf of the President. The SoS serves the President.

It's highly likely that the SoS will be performing his/her duties on behalf of the President and adhering to laws written by Senator Kerry.

edited for clarity.

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  -Kerry expected to get top foreign affairs panel post ProSense  Nov-19-08 11:11 AM   #0 
  - WONDERFUL n/t  emulatorloo   Nov-19-08 11:13 AM   #1 
  - Maybe THIS is why he won't be in the Obama White House?  Bicoastal   Nov-19-08 11:13 AM   #2 
  - Not as good as what he should have gotten which was SOS.  wisteria   Nov-19-08 11:41 AM   #7 
  - That's not completely true  karynnj   Nov-19-08 12:41 PM   #73 
  - Actually, Dodd may take that seat back in two years.  beachmom   Nov-19-08 01:14 PM   #81 
     - True  karynnj   Nov-19-08 01:49 PM   #96 
        - Oh, that would be cool. Renaissance Kerry could chair a variety  beachmom   Nov-19-08 02:31 PM   #103 
  - I fully expect Obama to serve 2 terms...  Kristi1696   Nov-19-08 01:18 PM   #83 
  - Secretary of State is better. n/t  wisteria   Nov-19-08 07:32 PM   #141 
  - Great news. It is an important position that needs a thoughtful person.  Mass   Nov-19-08 11:16 AM   #3 
  - Another reason I wanted him to STAY in the Senate. Only a few can be trusted with investigations  blm   Nov-19-08 11:25 AM   #4 
  - Investigations that go nowhere. n/t  wisteria   Nov-19-08 11:39 AM   #6 
  - That depends entirely on the Chairman  grantcart   Nov-19-08 11:44 AM   #9 
  - No, it depends on the leaders in the Senate. Kerry tried the investigations route before and it got  wisteria   Nov-19-08 11:48 AM   #15 
     - You are denegrating Kerry's entire career out of bitterness.  ProSense   Nov-19-08 11:54 AM   #22 
     - That no one will read or care about.  wisteria   Nov-19-08 11:56 AM   #27 
        - And they will if he's SoS?  ProSense   Nov-19-08 12:02 PM   #36 
           - There have been great SOS. He could have worked with Obama to reshape  wisteria   Nov-19-08 12:11 PM   #51 
     - Nowhere except the historic record - but, it did make Kerry a TON of powerful enemies  blm   Nov-19-08 11:54 AM   #23 
     - Oh and look where that got him.  wisteria   Nov-19-08 11:58 AM   #34 
        - I agree with you he EARNED so much more - but the historic record IS preserved due to his diligence  blm   Nov-19-08 12:02 PM   #38 
     - You continue to unknowingly insult Kerry  grantcart   Nov-19-08 12:02 PM   #40 
     - I know this is a bobby prize and we shouldn't be making it into something grand and special  wisteria   Nov-19-08 12:06 PM   #44 
        - Getting Kerry at the head of the SFRC is a GOOD thing for this country.  Mass   Nov-19-08 12:10 PM   #49 
        - He will have it for two years or four years until the Dem's blow it and  wisteria   Nov-19-08 12:22 PM   #61 
        - The fact is that there have been Chairman of this committee in the past  grantcart   Nov-19-08 12:13 PM   #53 
           - Name some. None come to recent memory. n/t  wisteria   Nov-19-08 12:23 PM   #62 
           - Church, Fullbright  karynnj   Nov-19-08 01:07 PM   #78 
           - Here  ProSense   Nov-19-08 01:10 PM   #80 
              - Real household names. They come right to mind. LOL.n/t  wisteria   Nov-19-08 05:22 PM   #129 
           - "he was a highly ineffectual campaigner" What BS! n/t  ProSense   Nov-19-08 01:09 PM   #79 
           - See what I mean? "ineffectual campaigner"  politicasista   Nov-19-08 01:33 PM   #87 
              - No, I don't. n/t  ProSense   Nov-19-08 01:37 PM   #89 
                 - It's just another reason  politicasista   Nov-19-08 01:48 PM   #94 
           - Baloney - he'd be president today if McAuliffe's DNC secured the election process even half as much  blm   Nov-19-08 03:37 PM   #121 
     - He wasn't a chairman then  IAmJacksSmirkingRevenge   Nov-19-08 12:37 PM   #72 
     - Not true  karynnj   Nov-19-08 12:46 PM   #74 
  - Because no one wanted to take them further  ellacott   Nov-19-08 11:44 AM   #10 
  - yes, those who have the real control. A senate chairmanship is not real control.  wisteria   Nov-19-08 11:50 AM   #17 
  - Kerry prosecuted BCCI as a freshman Senator with  ProSense   Nov-19-08 11:49 AM   #16 
  - And, where did that go and what did that gain him?  wisteria   Nov-19-08 11:54 AM   #24 
     - Kerry is where he is, but  ProSense   Nov-19-08 11:58 AM   #31 
     - A great leader is only great is he can accomplish great things for his country.  wisteria   Nov-19-08 12:04 PM   #42 
        - So Kerry hasn't accomplished great things?  ProSense   Nov-19-08 12:06 PM   #45 
           - He really hasn't since the hearings in the 70"s and he keeps getting thwarted.  wisteria   Nov-19-08 12:29 PM   #65 
              - Kerry did not enter the Senate until 1985  karynnj   Nov-19-08 02:56 PM   #111 
                 - I know, but his activites in the 70's were the last time he was recognized as  wisteria   Nov-19-08 05:26 PM   #131 
     - They should - Bush's shitfest happening now has stemmed from IranContra and BCCI agenda.  blm   Nov-19-08 11:58 AM   #32 
     - Does the withdrawal from Iraq matter?  TayTay   Nov-19-08 12:09 PM   #46 
     - There will be no withdraw. Do you think the polices of the Clinton 's  wisteria   Nov-19-08 12:16 PM   #55 
        - So now you are undermining Obama?  ProSense   Nov-19-08 12:17 PM   #57 
        - Don't you question his recent judgement? I do.  wisteria   Nov-19-08 12:25 PM   #63 
        - Yes I do.  TayTay   Nov-19-08 12:27 PM   #64 
           - He can deliver all the speeches he wants, no one in a leadership role is listening.  wisteria   Nov-19-08 12:33 PM   #70 
              - "Iraq will not change much nor will our foreign policy. "  ProSense   Nov-19-08 12:52 PM   #75 
     - He wasn't looking for "what it would gain him"  karynnj   Nov-19-08 01:25 PM   #85 
     - BCCI is not the Iran-Contra scandal.  Alexander   Nov-19-08 01:43 PM   #92 
        - actually, Kerry first became aware of BCCI because of his investigation into IranContra  blm   Nov-19-08 03:34 PM   #120 
        - Yes but claiming Oliver North was the only BCCI casualty is false.  Alexander   Nov-19-08 03:59 PM   #124 
           - Yeah....I figured they just got mixed up about that.  blm   Nov-19-08 04:12 PM   #125 
              - Me too. But so many are ignorant of the facts that nothing surprises me.  Alexander   Nov-19-08 06:33 PM   #137 
        - BCCI - which president clinton helped cover up once in office.  Zhade   Nov-19-08 10:58 PM   #206 
  - They go into the HISTORIC RECORD and it's up to those who CARE about democracy to keep truth alive  blm   Nov-19-08 11:52 AM   #19 
     - Old dusty historians who write books that most of the public doesn't read.  wisteria   Nov-19-08 12:18 PM   #58 
        - So where will this greatness that you seek for Kerry be written?  ProSense   Nov-19-08 12:56 PM   #77 
           - It would be mentioned word of mouth and passed down through generations.  wisteria   Nov-19-08 05:24 PM   #130 
  - Very good point  ellacott   Nov-19-08 11:44 AM   #8 
  - I sincerely hope Kerry opens such investigations, and can bring down the Bush Crime Family  Sebastian Doyle   Nov-19-08 05:17 PM   #128 
  - He should have gotten SOS. This is nothing more than he was entitled to.  wisteria   Nov-19-08 11:38 AM   #5 
  - There is no such thing as 'entitlement' for a cabinet position  grantcart   Nov-19-08 11:45 AM   #11 
  - No than why is Hillary up for the positon.  wisteria   Nov-19-08 11:46 AM   #12 
     - Depends what qualifications you are looking for  grantcart   Nov-19-08 11:57 AM   #29 
        - This is completely untrue  karynnj   Nov-19-08 01:37 PM   #90 
        - It's amazing that anyone touting Hillary would  ProSense   Nov-19-08 01:49 PM   #95 
        - Another example of why  politicasista   Nov-19-08 05:13 PM   #126 
        - BULLSHIT! Hillary hid under the covers when healthcare failed - Kerry PERSEVERED for 5 1/2 YEARS  blm   Nov-19-08 05:15 PM   #127 
        - Hillary's big thing was supposed to be health care, if she was as you describe  JI7   Nov-19-08 08:11 PM   #143 
  - Did you think for a second that Kerry is happy where he is?  ProSense   Nov-19-08 11:48 AM   #14 
     - I doubt it. He wouldn't of run for President otherwise and he was  wisteria   Nov-19-08 12:09 PM   #47 
        - The Presidency and the SoS are not interchangeable, but  ProSense   Nov-19-08 12:16 PM   #56 
        - There is no quote you will find where hesays he wants to be SoS  karynnj   Nov-19-08 01:42 PM   #91 
  - I almost cried reading this. If it's true, I'll be relieved. Kerry is trustworthy. Let's hope Obama  cryingshame   Nov-19-08 11:47 AM   #13 
  - He won't be going nowhere. n/t  wisteria   Nov-19-08 12:10 PM   #48 
     - I meant allows Kerry to dig deep and then follows up on it.  cryingshame   Nov-19-08 12:11 PM   #50 
        - There will be no following up. Just investigations that go nowhere. n/t  wisteria   Nov-19-08 12:12 PM   #52 
  - GREAT choice!  WakeMeUp   Nov-19-08 11:51 AM   #18 
  - Cool.  Alter Ego   Nov-19-08 11:53 AM   #20 
  - Thanks for posting. I only hope that in two years he can keep that  beachmom   Nov-19-08 11:53 AM   #21 
  - I thought Dodd announced he would retire in 2010 n/t  rockymountaindem   Nov-19-08 11:57 AM   #30 
     - No, he is running for re-election in 2010.  beachmom   Nov-19-08 12:30 PM   #69 
  - Isn't it amazing to see smart thoughtful people going into key positions?  sfexpat2000   Nov-19-08 11:55 AM   #25 
  - All except Lieberman- oh well, cant win 'em all. n/t  Dr Fate   Nov-19-08 12:02 PM   #37 
  - A very powerful committee ,congratulations to Sen. Kerry.  sufrommich   Nov-19-08 11:55 AM   #26 
  - No congratuations necessary. He was next in line. n/t  wisteria   Nov-19-08 12:13 PM   #54 
  - I am looking forward to watching SFRC hearings with Kerry in charge.  pirhana   Nov-19-08 11:56 AM   #28 
  - He should've been president, but I'll take this.  superduperfarleft   Nov-19-08 11:58 AM   #33 
  - He was going to get it anyway. This was no real prize.n/t  wisteria   Nov-19-08 12:19 PM   #59 
     - What is this idea somebody needs a prize. This is such a selfish idea that it is amazing.  Mass   Nov-19-08 12:21 PM   #60 
        - Ok, it was awarded to him through his years in the senate and because Dodd  wisteria   Nov-19-08 12:30 PM   #68 
  - Congratulations to him, if true.  MetricSystem   Nov-19-08 12:01 PM   #35 
  - I am sure it is true. This is the Boston Globe, and also he was 3rd  beachmom   Nov-19-08 12:56 PM   #76 
  - I hope this is an excellent fit for Kerry and  zidzi   Nov-19-08 12:02 PM   #39 
  - This was Biden's chairmanship if I'm not mistaken.  BumRushDaShow   Nov-19-08 12:03 PM   #41 
  - K&R  mvd   Nov-19-08 12:06 PM   #43 
  - Senator Kerry will an incredible job in this post, and he earned it. K&R n/t  Kerry2008   Nov-19-08 12:30 PM   #66 
  - Yep, through all those years in the senate. n/t  wisteria   Nov-19-08 12:34 PM   #71 
  - Sounds good to me.  DCBob   Nov-19-08 12:30 PM   #67 
  - Looks like the chronic Kerry haters, bashers will get their wish  politicasista   Nov-19-08 01:16 PM   #82 
  - Where in this thread do you see  ProSense   Nov-19-08 01:19 PM   #84 
     - The usual ones that have been all over DU giving reasons why Kerry shouldn't be SOS  politicasista   Nov-19-08 01:30 PM   #86 
        - People can have their opinions, but they haven't posted them in this thread.  ProSense   Nov-19-08 01:33 PM   #88 
           - Because they won  politicasista   Nov-19-08 01:47 PM   #93 
              - Won what? Half of that doesn't make sense, the rest is irrelevant. n/t  ProSense   Nov-19-08 01:56 PM   #97 
                 - The argument to why Kerry shouldn't be SOS  politicasista   Nov-19-08 01:59 PM   #98 
                    - "it's how Kerry is being remembered"  ProSense   Nov-19-08 02:15 PM   #100 
                       - The actions won't mean a thing if no one pays attention to them  politicasista   Nov-19-08 02:21 PM   #101 
                          - What the hell are you talking about?  ProSense   Nov-19-08 02:24 PM   #102 
                          - I am talking about our media press  politicasista   Nov-19-08 02:34 PM   #105 
                             - That is not true  ProSense   Nov-19-08 02:46 PM   #108 
                                - Ok, so not zero, but I don't remember reading about  politicasista   Nov-19-08 03:11 PM   #113 
                          - Sometimes real change is not on TV  karynnj   Nov-19-08 02:32 PM   #104 
                             - Ok, Obama will set the FP input, goal  politicasista   Nov-19-08 02:44 PM   #107 
                                - Kerry isn't serving for personal gain. That's a ludicrous argument.  ProSense   Nov-19-08 02:51 PM   #109 
                                - I never said he was serving for personal gain  politicasista   Nov-19-08 03:02 PM   #112 
                                   - If HRC takes it - t is a task force -not something permanent  karynnj   Nov-19-08 03:23 PM   #115 
                                      - That's interesting  politicasista   Nov-19-08 03:55 PM   #123 
                                - Let me try again  karynnj   Nov-19-08 03:16 PM   #114 
                                   - Maybe he and Obama want it that way  politicasista   Nov-19-08 03:54 PM   #122 
                                      - I'm totally with you on this  karynnj   Nov-19-08 05:55 PM   #135 
                                         - Great post as always  politicasista   Nov-19-08 06:12 PM   #136 
  - Two words why Kerry won't be SOS: Ted Kennedy.  MonteLukast   Nov-19-08 02:08 PM   #99 
  - Wow, so you really think Ted Kennedy would like to be known for holding Kerry back?  wisteria   Nov-19-08 05:35 PM   #133 
  - Okay, WAY too many Kerry supporters are fighting amongst themselves  beachmom   Nov-19-08 02:39 PM   #106 
  - Rodney?  ProSense   Nov-19-08 02:53 PM   #110 
  - Good point  karynnj   Nov-19-08 03:24 PM   #116 
  - I think Kerry will make an enormous difference as Chair of SFRC  Luftmensch067   Nov-19-08 03:28 PM   #117 
  - Whatever, there is self-interest involved in your decision. n/t  wisteria   Nov-19-08 10:53 PM   #201 
  - Sure, I can't wait to receive more e-mails and petitions to sign.  wisteria   Nov-19-08 11:02 PM   #207 
  - Let's hear it for Kerry love!  MPK   Nov-19-08 03:29 PM   #118 
     - Great photo!  ProSense   Nov-19-08 03:30 PM   #119 
  - I think Kerryor Clinton would be good as SoS. That being said, Kerry will  Jennicut   Nov-19-08 05:28 PM   #132 
  - Sen. Kerry will be an amazing SFRC chair.  globalvillage   Nov-19-08 05:53 PM   #134 
  - Biden on Kerry, Sept. 2007  ProSense   Nov-19-08 06:38 PM   #138 
  - All the more reason Kerry should be SOS. Biden even learned from him.  wisteria   Nov-19-08 07:30 PM   #140 
     - Kerry decided to run for the Senate this year, he wasn't forced to  JI7   Nov-19-08 08:36 PM   #152 
        - What choice did he have? Better to have some job than none at all.  wisteria   Nov-19-08 08:51 PM   #159 
           - you think he prefers to serve Obama who has less foreign policy experience than him?  JI7   Nov-19-08 08:59 PM   #163 
              - It was a matter of mutual respect and representing the President.  wisteria   Nov-19-08 10:56 PM   #204 
  - You study,you work hard and you do good deeds and where do you end up?  wisteria   Nov-19-08 07:27 PM   #139 
  - Making history?  ProSense   Nov-19-08 07:50 PM   #142 
  - Wow, everyone is up on that little meeting. I 'm sure Obama considered that  wisteria   Nov-19-08 08:25 PM   #147 
     - the point is that Kerry is in a powerful position already  JI7   Nov-19-08 08:28 PM   #150 
     - He accomplishes nothing with this position. As SOS he could be involved with  wisteria   Nov-19-08 08:36 PM   #153 
        - what the fuck did Powell accomplish ? what did Rice accomplish ?  JI7   Nov-19-08 08:45 PM   #155 
           - He may not have accomplished anything in your estimation, but he has earned the respect  wisteria   Nov-19-08 09:12 PM   #173 
              - Powell was respected BEFORE he was SOS, he LOST respect as SOS  JI7   Nov-19-08 09:15 PM   #175 
                 - Maybe with those who blog. Go ask the public they remember him foundly  wisteria   Nov-19-08 09:21 PM   #177 
                    - and this respect was from BEFORE he became SOS  JI7   Nov-19-08 09:23 PM   #178 
     - Well, ProSense knows about it and she posted it.  MPK   Nov-19-08 08:32 PM   #151 
        - ...  politicasista   Nov-19-08 10:55 PM   #203 
           - ...  MPK   Nov-19-08 11:31 PM   #210 
              - Thank you  politicasista   Nov-19-08 11:46 PM   #211 
  - you sound like Sarah Palin  JI7   Nov-19-08 08:15 PM   #144 
  - Really, I didn't follow her that closely. n/t  wisteria   Nov-19-08 08:27 PM   #149 
  - Jonathon Alter just said on KO tonight that Obama would be more likely  beachmom   Nov-19-08 08:47 PM   #157 
  - If Obama would go to him why isn't he going to be SOS?  wisteria   Nov-19-08 08:56 PM   #161 
     - because Kerry doesn't want to be SOS  JI7   Nov-19-08 09:01 PM   #165 
     - Oh, and you know that for a fact? Who did you get that off of? n/t  wisteria   Nov-19-08 09:06 PM   #168 
        - i got it from Kerry himself who said he looks forward to being Chairman of SFRC  JI7   Nov-19-08 09:08 PM   #170 
           - Oh sure, what else could he say? Of course this postion is better than nothing or just being  wisteria   Nov-19-08 09:28 PM   #181 
              - and you don't know that but since you view Kerry as a loser  JI7   Nov-19-08 09:32 PM   #184 
                 - I suppose I have a lot of time and money invested and I usually am a good  wisteria   Nov-19-08 10:51 PM   #200 
     - As President Obama defines a U.S foreign policy vision,  ProSense   Nov-19-08 09:10 PM   #172 
  - Come on  karynnj   Nov-19-08 08:47 PM   #158 
     - Some things on this list aren't much at all. Forget the Senate races  wisteria   Nov-19-08 09:00 PM   #164 
        - maybe he doesn't give a shit what Reid and Clinton think about him  JI7   Nov-19-08 09:03 PM   #167 
        - I don't care at all what Reid thinks about him, but he controls the senate Dems  wisteria   Nov-19-08 09:09 PM   #171 
           - Hillary certainly didn't come out on top on health care  JI7   Nov-19-08 09:13 PM   #174 
              - That is another reason why he would be better as SOS.  wisteria   Nov-19-08 09:19 PM   #176 
                 - you really do view this as being like American Idol  JI7   Nov-19-08 09:26 PM   #179 
                 - It's the name and respect that gets the job done. I didn't make the rules.  wisteria   Nov-19-08 09:32 PM   #185 
                    - Powell's name and respect did not help him accomplish anything positive  JI7   Nov-19-08 09:36 PM   #188 
                 - You are extremely mistaken  ProSense   Nov-19-08 09:30 PM   #183 
                    - My judgment is fine. It is everyone else whom assumes  wisteria   Nov-19-08 10:48 PM   #199 
        - "Some things aren't much?"  karynnj   Nov-20-08 11:22 AM   #212 
           - Will concede and agree that all of that is important  politicasista   Nov-20-08 04:55 PM   #213 
              - Thanks for a well reasoned response  karynnj   Nov-20-08 05:54 PM   #214 
                 - Thanks  politicasista   Nov-20-08 06:12 PM   #215 
                    - The comparison to music really works well  karynnj   Nov-20-08 06:48 PM   #216 
  - I doubt Kerry's judgment  Flute   Nov-19-08 08:16 PM   #145 
  - Kerry has been the  ProSense   Nov-19-08 08:22 PM   #146 
  - He voted to give Bush the authority after Bush made promises  karynnj   Nov-19-08 08:26 PM   #148 
     - delete n/t  politicasista   Nov-19-08 10:26 PM   #195 
        - No,  ProSense   Nov-19-08 10:32 PM   #196 
           - Yep. Went back and edit  politicasista   Nov-19-08 10:33 PM   #197 
  - Poor Kerry, if he didn't have bad luck, he wouldn't have any luck at all.  wisteria   Nov-19-08 08:40 PM   #154 
  - fucking pathetic , Kerry ran for the Senate THIS YEAR  JI7   Nov-19-08 08:46 PM   #156 
     - Oh, please. What a challange that was.  wisteria   Nov-19-08 08:53 PM   #160 
        - if he didn't want to be in the Senate he wouldn't have ran  JI7   Nov-19-08 08:56 PM   #162 
           - The senate was better than noting. It was a good consolation prize.  wisteria   Nov-19-08 09:03 PM   #166 
              - just because you have low views of the Senate doesn't mean Kerry does  JI7   Nov-19-08 09:06 PM   #169 
              - I can't argue that point, but he wanted out at one time- he wanted to be President.  wisteria   Nov-19-08 09:26 PM   #180 
                 - yes, he wanted to be President not sec of state  JI7   Nov-19-08 09:29 PM   #182 
                    - He was pushing for SOS as an important role he could do great things with.  wisteria   Nov-19-08 09:33 PM   #186 
                       - he was NEVER pushing for SOS , that was put out by the ones who hate him  JI7   Nov-19-08 09:35 PM   #187 
                          - I am aware of information that he was thinking about this as early as Jan. 07.  wisteria   Nov-19-08 09:37 PM   #189 
                          - only the crowd who views this as a popularity contest like American Idol  JI7   Nov-19-08 09:39 PM   #190 
                          - I guess you must have lower expectations. n/  wisteria   Nov-19-08 09:40 PM   #191 
                             - if you consider low expectations to be what someone actually does  JI7   Nov-19-08 09:43 PM   #192 
                                - Obama wouldn't be where he is without the media. Say what you will  wisteria   Nov-19-08 10:02 PM   #193 
                          - You were? Did he tell you that?  karynnj   Nov-20-08 10:15 PM   #219 
                          - Yep. And many DUers bought into it n/t  politicasista   Nov-19-08 10:22 PM   #194 
                          - Pushing was too strong a word, He was giving consideration to what could be accomplished with this  wisteria   Nov-19-08 10:41 PM   #198 
              - Kerry may have actually done as much to fight global warming as Gore  karynnj   Nov-20-08 09:58 PM   #217 
  - That would be pretty great.  Zhade   Nov-19-08 10:54 PM   #202 
  - Oh sure, as opposed to him serving as the Chairman of something else. n/t  wisteria   Nov-19-08 10:57 PM   #205 
  - oh wow, a position that Biden was happy to abandon and Dodd didn't want.  wisteria   Nov-19-08 11:24 PM   #208 
  - This is good. Obama needs to retain senior leadership in the Senate  BREMPRO   Nov-19-08 11:26 PM   #209 
  - Clinton is not Senior leadship in the Senate  karynnj   Nov-20-08 10:02 PM   #218 
  - Congratulations to John Kerry!  FrenchieCat   Nov-20-08 10:18 PM   #220 

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