mondo joe
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Sat Nov-08-08 11:45 PM
Response to Reply #77 |
| 81. Rationalize it as you like. NT |
| -Black opposition to gay marriage remains strong (and to civil unions) |
IndianaGreen |
Nov-08-08 10:36 PM |
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all racial minorities should know better. nt. |
IndianaJones |
Nov-08-08 10:37 PM |
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... |
Lost-in-FL |
Nov-08-08 10:38 PM |
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Deal with it! |
IndianaGreen |
Nov-08-08 10:40 PM |
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No kidding! |
Maat |
Nov-08-08 10:41 PM |
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I won't argue that... |
Lost-in-FL |
Nov-08-08 10:42 PM |
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I don't see this post as blaming any one particular group |
DinoBoy |
Nov-08-08 10:47 PM |
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Still, you are singling out the one group who was not responsible |
beachmom |
Nov-08-08 10:45 PM |
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Read the article and then come back with your observation |
IndianaGreen |
Nov-08-08 10:46 PM |
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Actually, you chopped up the article and edited out the support that does exist |
beachmom |
Nov-08-08 11:00 PM |
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Thank you. nt |
Lost-in-FL |
Nov-08-08 10:46 PM |
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Hetero women have been subjected to an enormous amount of shit |
silverojo |
Nov-09-08 12:39 AM |
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Beat me to it |
HughMoran |
Nov-08-08 10:42 PM |
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We should get over it right? |
DinoBoy |
Nov-08-08 10:43 PM |
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No... |
Lost-in-FL |
Nov-08-08 10:45 PM |
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Religion is the root of the matter |
IndianaGreen |
Nov-08-08 10:48 PM |
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But then say is religious zealotry and not a particular group. |
Lost-in-FL |
Nov-08-08 10:51 PM |
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The polls showed that more Blacks opposed rights to gays than whites did |
IndianaGreen |
Nov-08-08 10:54 PM |
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Do they mention if they were of certain religion? nt |
Lost-in-FL |
Nov-08-08 10:55 PM |
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So why don't we as Dems lobby the Black and Hispanic communities then? |
Cali_Democrat |
Nov-08-08 11:05 PM |
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nicely done |
Egnever |
Nov-09-08 01:07 AM |
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Then use that as the bait in your subject line. Furthermore, what is "presidential" |
blondeatlast |
Nov-08-08 10:52 PM |
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Who was blaming them? |
DinoBoy |
Nov-08-08 10:50 PM |
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They are influenced by their xtian beliefs... |
Lost-in-FL |
Nov-08-08 10:53 PM |
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People are responsible for their own choices. Xtians deviate from their religion |
mondo joe |
Nov-08-08 11:07 PM |
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You are right. |
Lost-in-FL |
Nov-08-08 11:10 PM |
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Prop 8's passage is not the fault of the AA community. But the survey data is disturbing, |
mondo joe |
Nov-08-08 11:13 PM |
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It should not be ignored. |
Lost-in-FL |
Nov-08-08 11:16 PM |
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I didn't blame anyone. Did I? |
mondo joe |
Nov-08-08 11:20 PM |
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Would that help in any way? |
Lost-in-FL |
Nov-08-08 11:25 PM |
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I don't know how to say this without sounding challenging, which is not what |
mondo joe |
Nov-08-08 11:28 PM |
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ALL groups that oppose gay rights should be discussed... |
Lost-in-FL |
Nov-08-08 11:32 PM |
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So we should ignore the demographics of which groups are disproprtionately anti-gay? |
mondo joe |
Nov-08-08 11:34 PM |
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I said all. |
Lost-in-FL |
Nov-08-08 11:35 PM |
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And are we to ignore demographic anomalies and pretend they don't exist, |
mondo joe |
Nov-08-08 11:36 PM |
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I don't remember saying that but... |
Lost-in-FL |
Nov-08-08 11:40 PM |
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There are numerous threads about Mormons, there are protests directed at |
mondo joe |
Nov-08-08 11:44 PM |
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I haven't seen those here but mostly those angry... |
Lost-in-FL |
Nov-08-08 11:50 PM |
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Then you're not looking. |
mondo joe |
Nov-08-08 11:52 PM |
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Here in Floridah... |
Lost-in-FL |
Nov-09-08 12:07 AM |
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You seem to be confused. |
mondo joe |
Nov-09-08 12:12 AM |
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LOL. I need to get that image. |
IsItJustMe |
Nov-08-08 10:44 PM |
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just stop it |
Max_powers94 |
Nov-08-08 10:46 PM |
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The article refers to Pew Research and HRC polling data |
IndianaGreen |
Nov-08-08 10:50 PM |
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I am with you. I can't believe these clowns think bigots should |
jonnyblitz |
Nov-08-08 10:58 PM |
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As a white person, I think I will direct my anger and blame toward white fundies. |
IsItJustMe |
Nov-08-08 10:48 PM |
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Homophobia is a fact among Blacks, Asians, Latinos, as it is among whites |
IndianaGreen |
Nov-08-08 10:52 PM |
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When you start posting as many threads about that, I won't think you're targeting AA's anymore. |
AZBlue |
Nov-08-08 10:56 PM |
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Amen!!! |
IsItJustMe |
Nov-08-08 11:07 PM |
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... |
Lost-in-FL |
Nov-08-08 11:11 PM |
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I remember biracial couples coming to our modest gay show bar thirty years ago |
IndianaGreen |
Nov-08-08 11:12 PM |
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Then if you wanna appear less inflammatory... |
Cali_Democrat |
Nov-08-08 11:15 PM |
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IT'S TEH BLACKS!!!!! |
Cali_Democrat |
Nov-08-08 10:48 PM |
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flamebait |
TexasObserver |
Nov-08-08 10:51 PM |
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Deal with it. It is a bona fide article quoting Pew Research and HRC polls |
IndianaGreen |
Nov-08-08 10:53 PM |
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I have. |
TexasObserver |
Nov-08-08 10:55 PM |
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paaaleeeze.... |
DontTreadOnMe |
Nov-08-08 11:00 PM |
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... |
Occam Bandage |
Nov-08-08 10:51 PM |
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who's that handsome black fella? |
d_b |
Nov-08-08 10:55 PM |
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Karl Rove is soothing his nerves reading GD/P this week... |
blondeatlast |
Nov-08-08 10:59 PM |
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There's a REASON |
elleng |
Nov-08-08 11:05 PM |
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How curious and revealing that a simple posting of a news article and poll caused such a clamor. |
David Zephyr |
Nov-08-08 11:08 PM |
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they are claiming we are racist by pointing out bigotry in |
jonnyblitz |
Nov-08-08 11:17 PM |
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Why can't we blame who proposed the bill and not just attack minorities? |
Lost-in-FL |
Nov-08-08 11:19 PM |
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who in hell is attacking JUST MINORITIES? haven't you |
jonnyblitz |
Nov-08-08 11:25 PM |
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WWooo!! |
Lost-in-FL |
Nov-08-08 11:29 PM |
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The "No on Prop 8" campaign did a TERRIBLE job of reaching out to minority communities |
Cali_Democrat |
Nov-08-08 11:26 PM |
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Don't blame the people fighting for equality for the bigotry of those who passed it. |
mondo joe |
Nov-08-08 11:35 PM |
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I do blame the "No on Prop 8" campaign for being woefully ineffective at reaching out to minorities |
Cali_Democrat |
Nov-08-08 11:39 PM |
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You're still blaming the victims for the bigotry of others. |
mondo joe |
Nov-08-08 11:41 PM |
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I'm making a distinction between the voters and the orgaizers of the two campaigns |
Cali_Democrat |
Nov-08-08 11:44 PM |
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You explicitly said the blame lies with the No on 8 Campaign. Your word, not mine. |
mondo joe |
Nov-08-08 11:46 PM |
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no you are blaming the victim. it seems like you are hell bent |
jonnyblitz |
Nov-08-08 11:44 PM |
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The GLBT community is NOT the bad guy |
Cali_Democrat |
Nov-08-08 11:46 PM |
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"The blame for the passage of prop 8 lies mostly with the organizers of 'No on Prop 8.' " |
mondo joe |
Nov-08-08 11:48 PM |
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You're entitled to your opinion |
Cali_Democrat |
Nov-08-08 11:49 PM |
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Where you put the blame is very revealing about you. Thank you. NT |
mondo joe |
Nov-08-08 11:50 PM |
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opinions don't change the FACT that you are blaming the victim. |
jonnyblitz |
Nov-08-08 11:51 PM |
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Blame the victim. |
David Zephyr |
Nov-08-08 11:38 PM |
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Can you imagine a thread in which a woman is blamed for being raped because she |
mondo joe |
Nov-08-08 11:39 PM |
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That is not even the same thing. That's just a stupid analogy. |
Connie_Corleone |
Nov-08-08 11:44 PM |
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Rationalize it as you like. NT |
mondo joe |
Nov-08-08 11:45 PM |
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Fine. Believe what you want. |
Connie_Corleone |
Nov-08-08 11:51 PM |
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The other poster explictly blamed the No campaign - not those who voted for it, |
mondo joe |
Nov-08-08 11:55 PM |
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ummmmm....I voted No on Prop 8 |
Cali_Democrat |
Nov-08-08 11:58 PM |
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No, I understood. You blamed the No campaign, rather than those who voted for it. |
mondo joe |
Nov-09-08 12:00 AM |
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I'm curious |
Cali_Democrat |
Nov-09-08 12:05 AM |
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You didn't point out mistakes. You assigned the blame for Prop 8 passing. |
mondo joe |
Nov-09-08 12:08 AM |
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Please read my post again...I did point out mistakes.... |
Cali_Democrat |
Nov-09-08 12:15 AM |
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How many more times do I need to read "The blame for the passage of prop 8 lies mostly with the |
mondo joe |
Nov-09-08 12:18 AM |
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The GLBT community needs African Americans and Hispanics |
Cali_Democrat |
Nov-09-08 12:26 AM |
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That's a much more decent statement. Thank you. NT |
mondo joe |
Nov-09-08 12:32 AM |
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Can't reach out to people holding irrational belief systems |
IndianaGreen |
Nov-09-08 12:36 AM |
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We can always reach out to more people |
Cali_Democrat |
Nov-09-08 12:40 AM |
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100% wrong. i hold one of those irrational belief systems |
CreekDog |
Nov-09-08 01:29 AM |
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why do you keep misrepresenting the other poster? |
CreekDog |
Nov-09-08 01:25 AM |
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I quoted the other poster. That's what the quotation marks denote. |
mondo joe |
Nov-09-08 01:37 AM |
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you're the only one that seems not to learn anything |
CreekDog |
Nov-09-08 01:44 AM |
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When I care what you think I'll notify you by telegram. NT |
mondo joe |
Nov-09-08 01:46 AM |
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that was obvious already |
CreekDog |
Nov-09-08 01:54 AM |
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Thank you. nt |
Cali_Democrat |
Nov-08-08 11:46 PM |
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yeah, you want us to beg the bigots to not hate us and if we can't |
jonnyblitz |
Nov-09-08 12:03 AM |
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I didn't mention anything about it being your fucking fault. |
Connie_Corleone |
Nov-09-08 12:18 AM |
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I'm sorry but the truth is the truth. |
Cali_Democrat |
Nov-08-08 11:41 PM |
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Don't confuse your blaming the victims with "truth". NT |
mondo joe |
Nov-08-08 11:42 PM |
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I've known that for quite a while. nt. |
IndianaJones |
Nov-08-08 11:22 PM |
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I don't know why the disproprtionately high anti-gay sentiment in this data isn't more |
mondo joe |
Nov-08-08 11:25 PM |
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Bayard Rustin was a victim of homophobia in his own community |
IndianaGreen |
Nov-08-08 11:30 PM |
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I think blaming religion is a cop out. Christians deviate from their religion with |
mondo joe |
Nov-08-08 11:32 PM |
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I think blaming religion is a cop out too. |
Withywindle |
Nov-09-08 01:31 AM |
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they need some education about gay issues |
Lord Helmet |
Nov-08-08 11:18 PM |
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There is just very little outreach of exposure of gays in the black community |
TheDonkey |
Nov-08-08 11:28 PM |
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I think that bridge can be crossed with some elbow grease. |
Lord Helmet |
Nov-08-08 11:31 PM |
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I do not give a fuck who is opposed to it.... |
and-justice-for-all |
Nov-08-08 11:28 PM |
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Well, the main place to start re-conditioning these folks is in their churches. |
Tatiana |
Nov-08-08 11:39 PM |
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why is this in General Discussion: Presidential |
krawhitham |
Nov-08-08 11:45 PM |
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Do you want us in the Back of the Bus Forum? |
IndianaGreen |
Nov-08-08 11:49 PM |
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Agreed, but I don't get the connection to "presidential." nt |
blondeatlast |
Nov-09-08 12:23 AM |
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Sorry, I'm calling bullshit on this sort of blame-shifting. |
NYC_SKP |
Nov-08-08 11:54 PM |
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i'm disappointed with the rampant homophobia here and among racial minorities. nt. |
IndianaJones |
Nov-09-08 12:12 AM |
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"the complex background influence of racism in the genesis of homophobia" |
IndianaGreen |
Nov-09-08 12:30 AM |
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I've seen alarming homophobia up close in the Asian community. nt |
IndianaJones |
Nov-09-08 12:32 AM |
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The OP article mentions that |
IndianaGreen |
Nov-09-08 12:35 AM |
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And I'm calling bullshit on *yours*. |
piesRsquare |
Nov-09-08 12:59 AM |
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Sorry, that doesn't fly. |
Independent_Voice |
Nov-09-08 01:29 AM |
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They'll come around |
usregimechange |
Nov-09-08 02:12 AM |
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