Eric J in MN
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Sat Nov-08-08 10:28 PM
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| 7. Re 2010: In midterm elections, usually the party NOT in the White House gains. |
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We need to fight that trend in 2010.
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| -Did Obama really change the map? Is his coalition sustainable? |
Whoa20 |
Nov-08-08 10:19 PM |
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He did not get 'demolished' in the white vote. |
Elrond Hubbard |
Nov-08-08 10:20 PM |
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Not only that -- he got MORE of the white vote than either Kerry, Gore or Bill Clinton. |
Blondiegrrl |
Nov-08-08 11:09 PM |
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in 1992, there were |
Whoa20 |
Nov-09-08 12:11 AM |
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white vote: 55 to 43 |
fujiyama |
Nov-09-08 06:10 AM |
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South vs non-south white voters are 2 different animals politically |
Juche |
Nov-09-08 08:21 AM |
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YES! He's been so built up as a huge bogeyman by conservatives |
PretzelWarrior |
Nov-08-08 10:20 PM |
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Naw, it's all over ... we're destroyed ... may as well go on to the next liberal forum |
melody |
Nov-08-08 10:24 PM |
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heh |
Mayberry Machiavelli |
Nov-08-08 10:27 PM |
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Word |
sniffa |
Nov-08-08 10:31 PM |
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Best avatar ever, sniffa! |
Mayberry Machiavelli |
Nov-08-08 10:55 PM |
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We (the Democratic Party) need to continue with Dean's 50 State Strategy. |
Starlight |
Nov-08-08 10:26 PM |
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Winning while Black. |
Mz Pip |
Nov-08-08 10:27 PM |
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I'm sorry, Sir..... you're under.... |
happychatter |
Nov-09-08 05:41 AM |
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Re 2010: In midterm elections, usually the party NOT in the White House gains. |
Eric J in MN |
Nov-08-08 10:28 PM |
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That trend has been lessened in recent years |
Marsala |
Nov-08-08 11:19 PM |
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Democrats may be at a ceiling in terms of flipping seats in Congress. |
tritsofme |
Nov-08-08 11:41 PM |
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'98 and '02 were anomalies in many ways |
fujiyama |
Nov-09-08 06:19 AM |
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He only won 9 red states, including 3 southern ones. Nothing major. |
SurferBoy |
Nov-08-08 10:30 PM |
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but did he make permanent |
Whoa20 |
Nov-09-08 12:08 AM |
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Since when are VA, NC, and IN run of the mill swing states? |
hnmnf |
Nov-09-08 12:15 AM |
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I don't think you can call Indiana, Virginia, and North Carolina run of the mill swing states. |
SurferBoy |
Nov-09-08 12:26 AM |
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Whoa! You made it higher than 20 posts! |
HughMoran |
Nov-08-08 10:36 PM |
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I'd like to second that |
Capn Sunshine |
Nov-09-08 12:10 AM |
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It's sustainable |
VADem11 |
Nov-08-08 10:45 PM |
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Excellent summary |
fujiyama |
Nov-09-08 06:31 AM |
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Hey, is Colorado chopped liver or something? |
FrenchieCat |
Nov-08-08 10:48 PM |
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No FrenchieCat........ |
rogerballard |
Nov-08-08 11:03 PM |
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Dang, I forgot to include CO in my post! |
vixengrl |
Nov-08-08 11:07 PM |
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Hell Yes. When you get states like IN that have been Red for generations, |
Mayberry Machiavelli |
Nov-08-08 10:50 PM |
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dupe deleted |
Mayberry Machiavelli |
Nov-08-08 10:50 PM |
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I'm going to argue--maybe it'll last without being a coalition-- |
vixengrl |
Nov-08-08 11:04 PM |
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Right, Obama is a flash in the pan. What were we thinking? |
Lord Helmet |
Nov-08-08 11:08 PM |
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Well, like every other elected official, he ran on a platform |
Sinti |
Nov-08-08 11:25 PM |
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If you consider winning more whites than Kerry, Gore, Clinton, Dukakis, or Mondale being |
Occam Bandage |
Nov-08-08 11:27 PM |
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its about margins |
Whoa20 |
Nov-09-08 12:05 AM |
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I disagree. 46% is quite strong for a Democrat; it requires only a modest victory in |
Occam Bandage |
Nov-09-08 12:09 AM |
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So? |
VADem11 |
Nov-09-08 12:10 AM |
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Bush Sr.'s approvals were only in the low 40's |
Whoa20 |
Nov-09-08 12:27 AM |
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Do you have a Clinton Fetish? |
hnmnf |
Nov-09-08 12:32 AM |
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I'm not dismissing IN, NC, VA, and CO, |
Whoa20 |
Nov-09-08 12:35 AM |
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Duh. The answer is "let's continue what we started". If he has a successful term, |
Mayberry Machiavelli |
Nov-09-08 01:19 AM |
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The incumbent wasn't on the ballot in 2008 |
Hippo_Tron |
Nov-09-08 12:43 AM |
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same principle, |
Whoa20 |
Nov-09-08 12:48 AM |
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Eisenhower was a national hero and Stevenson was a horrible campaigner |
Hippo_Tron |
Nov-09-08 12:53 AM |
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His coalition is sustainable ONLY if he has a successful presidency |
ShadowLiberal |
Nov-08-08 11:31 PM |
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Exactly, American voted for COMPETENCE not ideology |
JCMach1 |
Nov-09-08 05:17 AM |
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The map changes every 8 year or so |
Jake3463 |
Nov-08-08 11:42 PM |
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Good question - and yes, it is sustainable. |
ROh70 |
Nov-09-08 12:06 AM |
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Concern troll 2.0...the New Edition |
BluegrassDem |
Nov-09-08 12:13 AM |
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One way to sustain Obama's coalition is a pathway to citizenship |
workinclasszero |
Nov-09-08 12:34 AM |
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OMG It's a Rovian trap, the Republicans wanted us to elect an un-electable candidate |
Hippo_Tron |
Nov-09-08 12:39 AM |
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Hell, if defining a successful president is one that wins a second term |
fujiyama |
Nov-09-08 06:44 AM |
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The premise of your post is silly. "Change the map", meaning long term, is unknowable right now. |
Mayberry Machiavelli |
Nov-09-08 01:16 AM |
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You make plenty of fantastic points |
Awsi Dooger |
Nov-09-08 01:27 AM |
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invalidates every success-ascribes success to "young people" then for the finale' |
happychatter |
Nov-09-08 05:37 AM |
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To sutain the coalition he has to have stron support in IN, NC, OH and VA |
Perky |
Nov-09-08 06:13 AM |
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Your premise itself is odd. The map WAS changed. |
fujiyama |
Nov-09-08 07:09 AM |
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Yes, the map changed. First, AR, MO, and LA are not the New South. |
Zynx |
Nov-09-08 08:01 AM |
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Did you pay attention to the WEST?!??!?! |
tekisui |
Nov-09-08 08:05 AM |
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Evidently not... The OP is CRAZY as a loon. |
larissa |
Nov-10-08 01:35 AM |
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gee you're on to something |
JeffR |
Nov-10-08 02:08 AM |
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