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Sat Nov-08-08 04:20 PM
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| 46. Simply put, "marriage" is not a word that belongs to religions. |
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Edited on Sat Nov-08-08 04:25 PM by Left Is Write
They can claim it does, but it does not.
Marriage is a legal term. Baptism, communion, and Last Rites are not legal terms and they have no legal definition. Marriage is and does.
Millions of people in this country are married without benefit of any clergy or religious ceremony. They are still married. Why? Because marriage is a legal term.
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| -The reality is that in the eyes of the state. All Marriages are Civil Unions |
Perky |
Nov-08-08 09:12 AM |
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So religious people are against anyone getting married at City Hall? |
crappyjazz |
Nov-08-08 09:17 AM |
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Yes, in fact. When I first came up with the idea of Civil Unions for everybody, I found that Fundies |
cryingshame |
Nov-08-08 09:36 AM |
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I think Opposotion to Civil Unions is limited to about 25% of the religious |
Perky |
Nov-08-08 09:51 AM |
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Many of my DH's family didn't consider our civil ceremony |
OurVotesCount-Ohio |
Nov-08-08 11:08 AM |
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i disagree that people who voted for prop 8 aren't anti-gay |
kagehime |
Nov-08-08 09:20 AM |
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Well-reasoned |
kennetha |
Nov-08-08 09:25 AM |
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The Religious Reich would fight that tooth and nail |
skepticscott |
Nov-08-08 09:31 AM |
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You are wrong. Fundies believe TRUE marriage is performed by the Church and don't |
cryingshame |
Nov-08-08 09:34 AM |
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The flaw in your argument is |
skepticscott |
Nov-08-08 11:13 AM |
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It should require two actions, the religious imprimatur |
RichardRay |
Nov-08-08 09:49 AM |
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Amen. |
thecatburgler |
Nov-08-08 10:10 AM |
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The company here I work just published a 'Total Compensation' |
RichardRay |
Nov-08-08 10:16 AM |
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Totally. People who "shack up" or stay single get nothing. |
marimour |
Nov-08-08 10:15 AM |
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Yep - absolutely NONE. n/t |
RichardRay |
Nov-08-08 10:16 AM |
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THANK YOU! Rarel y does anyone point out the |
amyrose2712 |
Nov-08-08 03:11 PM |
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Well I don't like it. I say screw that. |
Pithlet |
Nov-08-08 01:18 PM |
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Ease up.... I used the term "civil marriage" with good reason |
Perky |
Nov-08-08 02:26 PM |
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Well, ease up. I wasn't responding to you. n/t |
Pithlet |
Nov-08-08 02:59 PM |
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Yeah. *No one* should have to give up the terminology. |
Orsino |
Nov-08-08 06:22 PM |
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i agree with a lot of this. |
marimour |
Nov-08-08 09:28 AM |
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What if some gay people would like to take their vows before god? |
crappyjazz |
Nov-08-08 09:39 AM |
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Are you talking about metaphysically or by clergy? |
Perky |
Nov-08-08 09:57 AM |
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If they want an officiant just find one that will do it and have at it. |
RichardRay |
Nov-08-08 10:19 AM |
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Well there is a legal requirement that people who want to bevome a union |
Perky |
Nov-08-08 10:28 AM |
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As long as the union has no standing in the eyes of the state |
RichardRay |
Nov-08-08 10:30 AM |
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I agree, but there are clergy who will marry gays "before god." I am not Catholic and no Catholic |
No Elephants |
Nov-08-08 10:20 AM |
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You dont need a church to take your vows before god and there are churches that will do it. |
marimour |
Nov-08-08 10:21 AM |
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No problem. There are quite a number of churches that would accommodate them |
eridani |
Nov-08-08 08:24 PM |
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Totally agree. Although I prefer Civil Unions for everybody and ditching the word Marriage |
cryingshame |
Nov-08-08 09:32 AM |
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Religious officials performing marriages are generally licensed by the state. |
suston96 |
Nov-08-08 09:49 AM |
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But the state provides the marriage license, |
Perky |
Nov-08-08 09:56 AM |
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But the state provides the marriage license, |
Perky |
Nov-08-08 09:56 AM |
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I don't care what you call it, as long as it is called the same for EVERYone. No one used the term |
No Elephants |
Nov-08-08 09:59 AM |
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I agree with you 100% |
damkira |
Nov-08-08 10:13 AM |
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kicking for more dialog |
Perky |
Nov-08-08 12:38 PM |
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The reality is some citizens can marry and some cannot. |
TexasObserver |
Nov-08-08 01:21 PM |
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Yes. What I was trying to say only so much better. |
Pithlet |
Nov-08-08 01:29 PM |
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It is not a battle over semantics. |
Pithlet |
Nov-08-08 01:27 PM |
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"Marriage is not a religious union. It is a legal contract. That is a fact" |
Perky |
Nov-08-08 02:38 PM |
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Based on the fact that it's a legal contract. |
Pithlet |
Nov-08-08 02:56 PM |
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Look. The thing is |
Pithlet |
Nov-08-08 03:26 PM |
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Wow, Pithlet, great job hanging in there to make the point. I was |
lib_wit_it |
Nov-09-08 03:44 AM |
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Thanks. |
Pithlet |
Nov-09-08 01:20 PM |
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"What's in a name? |
yowzayowzayowza |
Nov-08-08 02:33 PM |
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I am not going to pander to believers by pretending there is any reason to oppose gay marriage... |
Deep13 |
Nov-08-08 02:39 PM |
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"Marriage is a civil contract" --Brigham Young |
nichomachus |
Nov-08-08 03:01 PM |
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Gay people don't like "Civil Unions" not because it "seems second class" but |
tandot |
Nov-08-08 03:08 PM |
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and if those issues were overcome in the context of "civil Unions"? |
Perky |
Nov-08-08 03:33 PM |
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I am actually straight and married here in CA and I would be totally fine |
tandot |
Nov-08-08 03:57 PM |
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Simply put, "marriage" is not a word that belongs to religions. |
Left Is Write |
Nov-08-08 04:20 PM |
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I understand the argument and I think it is sound. The problem is that religious people |
Perky |
Nov-08-08 07:14 PM |
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but, but, but.... a civil union, as some states have for gays, is not the same as a marriage of an |
electron_blue |
Nov-08-08 05:13 PM |
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Well, it's *part* of The Reality, anyway. |
Orsino |
Nov-08-08 06:21 PM |
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