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40. "Marriage is a civil contract" --Brigham Young
How come the freaking Mormons never mention that?
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  -The reality is that in the eyes of the state. All Marriages are Civil Unions Perky  Nov-08-08 09:12 AM   #0 
  - So religious people are against anyone getting married at City Hall?  crappyjazz   Nov-08-08 09:17 AM   #1 
  - Yes, in fact. When I first came up with the idea of Civil Unions for everybody, I found that Fundies  cryingshame   Nov-08-08 09:36 AM   #8 
  - I think Opposotion to Civil Unions is limited to about 25% of the religious  Perky   Nov-08-08 09:51 AM   #12 
  - Many of my DH's family didn't consider our civil ceremony  OurVotesCount-Ohio   Nov-08-08 11:08 AM   #27 
  - i disagree that people who voted for prop 8 aren't anti-gay  kagehime   Nov-08-08 09:20 AM   #2 
  - Well-reasoned  kennetha   Nov-08-08 09:25 AM   #3 
  - The Religious Reich would fight that tooth and nail  skepticscott   Nov-08-08 09:31 AM   #5 
  - You are wrong. Fundies believe TRUE marriage is performed by the Church and don't  cryingshame   Nov-08-08 09:34 AM   #7 
     - The flaw in your argument is  skepticscott   Nov-08-08 11:13 AM   #28 
  - It should require two actions, the religious imprimatur  RichardRay   Nov-08-08 09:49 AM   #10 
  - Amen.  thecatburgler   Nov-08-08 10:10 AM   #17 
  - The company here I work just published a 'Total Compensation'  RichardRay   Nov-08-08 10:16 AM   #20 
  - Totally. People who "shack up" or stay single get nothing.  marimour   Nov-08-08 10:15 AM   #19 
  - Yep - absolutely NONE. n/t  RichardRay   Nov-08-08 10:16 AM   #21 
  - THANK YOU! Rarel y does anyone point out the  amyrose2712   Nov-08-08 03:11 PM   #42 
  - Well I don't like it. I say screw that.  Pithlet   Nov-08-08 01:18 PM   #30 
     - Ease up.... I used the term "civil marriage" with good reason  Perky   Nov-08-08 02:26 PM   #34 
     - Well, ease up. I wasn't responding to you. n/t  Pithlet   Nov-08-08 02:59 PM   #39 
     - Yeah. *No one* should have to give up the terminology.  Orsino   Nov-08-08 06:22 PM   #49 
  - i agree with a lot of this.  marimour   Nov-08-08 09:28 AM   #4 
  - What if some gay people would like to take their vows before god?  crappyjazz   Nov-08-08 09:39 AM   #9 
     - Are you talking about metaphysically or by clergy?  Perky   Nov-08-08 09:57 AM   #15 
     - If they want an officiant just find one that will do it and have at it.  RichardRay   Nov-08-08 10:19 AM   #22 
        - Well there is a legal requirement that people who want to bevome a union  Perky   Nov-08-08 10:28 AM   #25 
           - As long as the union has no standing in the eyes of the state  RichardRay   Nov-08-08 10:30 AM   #26 
     - I agree, but there are clergy who will marry gays "before god." I am not Catholic and no Catholic  No Elephants   Nov-08-08 10:20 AM   #23 
     - You dont need a church to take your vows before god and there are churches that will do it.  marimour   Nov-08-08 10:21 AM   #24 
     - No problem. There are quite a number of churches that would accommodate them  eridani   Nov-08-08 08:24 PM   #51 
  - Totally agree. Although I prefer Civil Unions for everybody and ditching the word Marriage  cryingshame   Nov-08-08 09:32 AM   #6 
  - Religious officials performing marriages are generally licensed by the state.  suston96   Nov-08-08 09:49 AM   #11 
  - But the state provides the marriage license,  Perky   Nov-08-08 09:56 AM   #13 
  - But the state provides the marriage license,  Perky   Nov-08-08 09:56 AM   #14 
  - I don't care what you call it, as long as it is called the same for EVERYone. No one used the term  No Elephants   Nov-08-08 09:59 AM   #16 
  - I agree with you 100%  damkira   Nov-08-08 10:13 AM   #18 
  - kicking for more dialog  Perky   Nov-08-08 12:38 PM   #29 
  - The reality is some citizens can marry and some cannot.  TexasObserver   Nov-08-08 01:21 PM   #31 
  - Yes. What I was trying to say only so much better.  Pithlet   Nov-08-08 01:29 PM   #33 
  - It is not a battle over semantics.  Pithlet   Nov-08-08 01:27 PM   #32 
  - "Marriage is not a religious union. It is a legal contract. That is a fact"  Perky   Nov-08-08 02:38 PM   #36 
     - Based on the fact that it's a legal contract.  Pithlet   Nov-08-08 02:56 PM   #38 
     - Look. The thing is  Pithlet   Nov-08-08 03:26 PM   #43 
        - Wow, Pithlet, great job hanging in there to make the point. I was  lib_wit_it   Nov-09-08 03:44 AM   #52 
           - Thanks.  Pithlet   Nov-09-08 01:20 PM   #53 
  - "What's in a name?  yowzayowzayowza   Nov-08-08 02:33 PM   #35 
  - I am not going to pander to believers by pretending there is any reason to oppose gay marriage...  Deep13   Nov-08-08 02:39 PM   #37 
  - "Marriage is a civil contract" --Brigham Young  nichomachus   Nov-08-08 03:01 PM   #40 
  - Gay people don't like "Civil Unions" not because it "seems second class" but  tandot   Nov-08-08 03:08 PM   #41 
  - and if those issues were overcome in the context of "civil Unions"?  Perky   Nov-08-08 03:33 PM   #44 
     - I am actually straight and married here in CA and I would be totally fine  tandot   Nov-08-08 03:57 PM   #45 
  - Simply put, "marriage" is not a word that belongs to religions.  Left Is Write   Nov-08-08 04:20 PM   #46 
  - I understand the argument and I think it is sound. The problem is that religious people  Perky   Nov-08-08 07:14 PM   #50 
  - but, but, but.... a civil union, as some states have for gays, is not the same as a marriage of an  electron_blue   Nov-08-08 05:13 PM   #47 
  - Well, it's *part* of The Reality, anyway.  Orsino   Nov-08-08 06:21 PM   #48 

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