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Thu Sep-09-04 09:38 PM
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| 46. Bad news for * either way. Pick your story: |
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A) Document is legit -- proves Bush avoided draft by pressure applied from his political connections.
B) Document is forgery -- this can become the basis of an allegation that the whitehouse continues to deceive the public by lying to us, sometimes in very clever ways.
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| -I now think the docs are a forgery - please try this yourself |
Must_B_Free |
Sep-09-04 08:36 PM |
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what document? it doesn't matter. the guy's a deserter who kills for fun |
bransonfu |
Sep-09-04 08:39 PM |
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I worked for a security Fed agency and always kept CYA memos. |
slojim240 |
Sep-10-04 12:32 PM |
#148 |
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There is a big difference between a typed document from that era... |
Spazito |
Sep-09-04 08:39 PM |
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not if they only had a copy and not an original |
renotyme |
Sep-09-04 08:46 PM |
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We don't know what CBS received or how they got it |
Must_B_Free |
Sep-09-04 08:47 PM |
#11 |
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What the hell is a "personal file" - wow, that sounds official... |
hexola |
Sep-10-04 09:37 AM |
#139 |
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Looking closer, I don't believe it. |
Kanzeon |
Sep-09-04 09:00 PM |
#25 |
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The superscript "th" sits higher than it would in Word. |
Why |
Sep-09-04 09:29 PM |
#41 |
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i learned to type on a manual |
WolverineDG |
Sep-09-04 10:03 PM |
#64 |
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How about the "fi" key. The top of the lowercase f dots the lc i. |
Virginian |
Sep-09-04 10:20 PM |
#81 |
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mom's typewriter |
WolverineDG |
Sep-10-04 08:19 AM |
#135 |
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That doesn't look anything like a Word document. |
Zynx |
Sep-09-04 10:20 PM |
#80 |
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So Rove gave them to CBS? |
lancdem |
Sep-09-04 08:40 PM |
#3 |
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Your number 6....you have a point. |
cat_girl25 |
Sep-09-04 08:41 PM |
#4 |
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Other Rovish possibilities |
Must_B_Free |
Sep-09-04 08:51 PM |
#16 |
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That could be done post-processing, in Photoshop. |
NRK |
Sep-09-04 10:58 PM |
#104 |
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Or just get an IBM Selectric and type the document |
LuminousX |
Sep-10-04 09:21 AM |
#137 |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Sep-10-04 12:04 PM |
#144 |
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You lie about the Niger forgeries. |
Bernardo de La Paz |
Sep-10-04 03:52 AM |
#129 |
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The problem with number three |
jmowreader |
Sep-10-04 04:04 AM |
#130 |
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Doesn't prove crap. |
Ducks In A Row |
Sep-09-04 08:43 PM |
#5 |
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I agree - since word was a copy of the IBM typewriter program. |
papau |
Sep-09-04 08:49 PM |
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I am now convinced that the documents are genuine. |
LoZoccolo |
Sep-09-04 08:55 PM |
#19 |
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You may have to swing back. |
Frodo |
Sep-09-04 09:49 PM |
#52 |
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Wouldn't make a bit of difference to the influence attempt. |
aquart |
Sep-09-04 10:03 PM |
#66 |
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Doesn't prove crap. |
LoZoccolo |
Sep-09-04 10:03 PM |
#67 |
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Not "proof" |
Frodo |
Sep-09-04 10:13 PM |
#76 |
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I adore you! |
dralston |
Sep-09-04 10:59 PM |
#105 |
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What does that prove? |
leftynyc |
Sep-10-04 12:13 PM |
#146 |
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I think you're right about #6 |
RationalRose |
Sep-09-04 08:44 PM |
#6 |
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Why wouldn't Rove have lowered the boom by now? |
Chomskyite |
Sep-09-04 08:45 PM |
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Maybe it's to give more people time to hang themselves... |
LoZoccolo |
Sep-09-04 08:58 PM |
#23 |
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One thought |
Must_B_Free |
Sep-09-04 09:20 PM |
#34 |
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I agree - its a fraud |
zwade |
Sep-09-04 08:47 PM |
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Oh, please. |
ocelot |
Sep-09-04 08:47 PM |
#10 |
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Journalists suck, in general |
Thurston Howe IV |
Sep-09-04 11:23 PM |
#115 |
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Then did Rove forge Dubya's own military record? |
Walt Starr |
Sep-09-04 08:49 PM |
#12 |
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They look the same to you? |
zwade |
Sep-09-04 08:53 PM |
#17 |
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Line 2 |
Walt Starr |
Sep-09-04 09:26 PM |
#38 |
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there is a difference in the superscripted th's |
TheWebHead |
Sep-09-04 11:08 PM |
#111 |
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Exactly....it makes every other charge unreasonable now.... |
formernaderite |
Sep-09-04 10:29 PM |
#87 |
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sorry Walt |
Dookus |
Sep-09-04 08:58 PM |
#22 |
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Maybe I'm blind, but |
HFishbine |
Sep-09-04 09:01 PM |
#26 |
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Look at the first instance of 111th |
0rganism |
Sep-09-04 09:15 PM |
#32 |
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Exactly - there are a number of non superscripted ones but one that is |
Must_B_Free |
Sep-09-04 09:28 PM |
#39 |
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Sorry, you're off on a tangent -- also cf my post #44 |
0rganism |
Sep-09-04 09:46 PM |
#51 |
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I wonder if they had numeric ones |
Must_B_Free |
Sep-09-04 09:56 PM |
#61 |
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I've seen them with and without, I think most had 1s by the early '80s |
0rganism |
Sep-09-04 10:53 PM |
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LOL! |
HFishbine |
Sep-10-04 12:42 AM |
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So, "we're" a little unclear on superscripts, are "we"? |
0rganism |
Sep-10-04 02:51 AM |
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LOL! Harder |
HFishbine |
Sep-10-04 06:52 AM |
#132 |
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WRONG |
dionysus |
Sep-09-04 08:51 PM |
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Man, did you ever tell /him/. |
LoZoccolo |
Sep-09-04 09:03 PM |
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too lazy to read the front page of this very forum? |
dionysus |
Sep-09-04 09:14 PM |
#31 |
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Sure. |
LoZoccolo |
Sep-09-04 09:24 PM |
#37 |
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here you go... |
dionysus |
Sep-09-04 09:34 PM |
#43 |
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Agreed - there are some VERY knowledgable DUers who debunked this |
ChavezSpeakstheTruth |
Sep-10-04 07:00 AM |
#133 |
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Yikes. I started out thinking this was a Rove plant, |
Imalittleteapot |
Sep-09-04 08:51 PM |
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Oh for Pete's sake!!! |
liburl |
Sep-09-04 10:37 PM |
#94 |
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Helloooo! |
HFishbine |
Sep-09-04 08:54 PM |
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I'm game - I have my samples here - I'll look at those |
Must_B_Free |
Sep-09-04 09:13 PM |
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The world is full of lying asskissers... |
hexola |
Sep-10-04 09:41 AM |
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NOT forged with Word and I could testify in court about it. |
Heath.Hunnicutt |
Sep-09-04 08:55 PM |
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ok. that sounded convincing. let's hope we get more authoritative |
bransonfu |
Sep-09-04 08:58 PM |
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I think they are real....the story fits shrub to a T..........the damage.. |
Gin |
Sep-09-04 09:03 PM |
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"the story fits shrub to a T" |
RUMMYisFROSTED |
Sep-09-04 09:23 PM |
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Great assessment, and also |
Carolab |
Sep-09-04 11:48 PM |
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Another thing I noticed |
dansolo |
Sep-10-04 11:54 AM |
#143 |
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Thanks of this post! |
merh |
Sep-10-04 09:14 AM |
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maybe |
Kanzeon |
Sep-09-04 08:56 PM |
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What's with all you paranoid people? Get a grip!!! |
napi21 |
Sep-09-04 09:03 PM |
#28 |
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As a gambler, I would give 1/10 odds they are not forgeries |
AwsieDooger |
Sep-09-04 09:36 PM |
#45 |
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We are not Columbo. These are "compelling' |
goclark |
Sep-09-04 10:57 PM |
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Are you being sarcastic? |
cat_girl25 |
Sep-09-04 09:16 PM |
#33 |
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no |
Must_B_Free |
Sep-09-04 09:45 PM |
#49 |
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"Sure looked like Oswald to me" |
HFishbine |
Sep-10-04 12:49 AM |
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I hope your post is a joke..... |
dennis4868 |
Sep-09-04 09:23 PM |
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Oh my gosh... |
Texas_Dem |
Sep-09-04 09:28 PM |
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Absolutely. Isn't it more likely than not that * was suspended? |
alcuno |
Sep-09-04 09:32 PM |
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I think we KNOW he was suspended from flying. |
Frodo |
Sep-09-04 09:51 PM |
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I get very different results when retyping the CYA document |
0rganism |
Sep-09-04 09:35 PM |
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Bad news for * either way. Pick your story: |
Pobeka |
Sep-09-04 09:38 PM |
#46 |
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that damned ANDY ROONEY did it! |
dweller |
Sep-09-04 09:42 PM |
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Not Times New Roman |
Cogito ergo doleo |
Sep-09-04 09:43 PM |
#48 |
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Well done. |
BullGooseLoony |
Sep-09-04 09:50 PM |
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Do me a favor and compare a 1 in Times New Roman to this document |
Walt Starr |
Sep-09-04 09:52 PM |
#55 |
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Thank You. |
enigmatic |
Sep-09-04 09:54 PM |
#58 |
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What is this??? |
zaj |
Sep-09-04 10:06 PM |
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A blowup of the "2" |
Walt Starr |
Sep-09-04 10:12 PM |
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I've typed it in Word. I've typed in Quark. I've made pdfs. |
Imalittleteapot |
Sep-09-04 09:45 PM |
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It does look typed |
Cogito ergo doleo |
Sep-09-04 09:53 PM |
#56 |
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The superscript is DEFINITELY not the same |
BullGooseLoony |
Sep-09-04 09:53 PM |
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Print it out and see what happens to the superscript |
Jonathan Little |
Sep-09-04 09:55 PM |
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Been there, done that, used their document |
Walt Starr |
Sep-09-04 10:03 PM |
#65 |
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Damn! |
Must_B_Free |
Sep-09-04 10:08 PM |
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BULLSHIT |
Walt Starr |
Sep-09-04 10:14 PM |
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What is the known character of this site |
Must_B_Free |
Sep-09-04 10:31 PM |
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I recreated it myself using their Word document: |
Jonathan Little |
Sep-09-04 11:22 PM |
#114 |
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I'm still thinking |
HFishbine |
Sep-10-04 12:53 AM |
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I re-typed one of the docs |
mmcghenn |
Sep-10-04 12:11 PM |
#145 |
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Post your thoughts on the Freeper site |
Onlooker |
Sep-09-04 09:55 PM |
#59 |
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Q: Why does line four from paragraph 1 look so different? |
brentspeak |
Sep-09-04 10:00 PM |
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It doesnt look different |
Cogito ergo doleo |
Sep-09-04 10:12 PM |
#74 |
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Photocopiers and faxes can distort things |
Must_B_Free |
Sep-09-04 10:28 PM |
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Looking at all of this, I'm convinced they're not forged. What is CBS'... |
Mary Pat |
Sep-09-04 10:01 PM |
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Fugeddaboudit - CBS stands by the memos. |
2004 Victory |
Sep-09-04 10:04 PM |
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I have to agree |
djg21 |
Sep-09-04 10:21 PM |
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absolutely not |
ima_sinnic |
Sep-09-04 10:06 PM |
#69 |
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The Little Green Footballs moron has no typography expertise |
Walt Starr |
Sep-09-04 10:10 PM |
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By the way, Walt |
Must_B_Free |
Sep-09-04 10:35 PM |
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LOL!!! |
hexola |
Sep-10-04 09:25 AM |
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Well said. n/t |
Cogito ergo doleo |
Sep-09-04 10:15 PM |
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This is a ridiculous fucking topic... |
vivalarev |
Sep-09-04 10:06 PM |
#71 |
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are you sure? |
dweller |
Sep-09-04 10:26 PM |
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Looks like the source for authentication would disagree with you |
Walt Starr |
Sep-09-04 10:19 PM |
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Are you sure that wasn't just someone POSING as General Hodges? nt |
BullGooseLoony |
Sep-09-04 10:30 PM |
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BTW, folks, Walt's post here is THE proof we need. |
BullGooseLoony |
Sep-09-04 10:31 PM |
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lol lol lol lol |
seabeyond |
Sep-09-04 10:47 PM |
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It was an imposter. |
HFishbine |
Sep-10-04 12:57 AM |
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All you have to do is get the original document used in CBS story |
zulchzulu |
Sep-09-04 10:22 PM |
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With what little faith I have left |
Clinton Crusader |
Sep-09-04 10:25 PM |
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We who? |
Bushneedstogo |
Sep-09-04 10:30 PM |
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Look also at "Alabama" and "I will not rate". |
athena |
Sep-09-04 10:33 PM |
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I know what you're saying - just like the Brady Bunch episode |
Must_B_Free |
Sep-09-04 10:44 PM |
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Photocopying wouldn't produce the same effect. |
athena |
Sep-09-04 11:01 PM |
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Are you all experts in type? |
footinmouth |
Sep-09-04 10:39 PM |
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get that damn thing out and retype one of the memos, please |
Must_B_Free |
Sep-09-04 11:00 PM |
#106 |
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Just Join the Bush Campaign will ya? |
saracat |
Sep-09-04 10:39 PM |
#96 |
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saracat |
gospelized |
Sep-09-04 11:02 PM |
#108 |
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Let's pull other documents, and see what they look like. DUH. |
Gregorian |
Sep-09-04 10:40 PM |
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I hate to kick this thread but... |
ContinentalOp |
Sep-09-04 10:44 PM |
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Random info |
Must_B_Free |
Sep-09-04 10:57 PM |
#103 |
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Sigh... |
ContinentalOp |
Sep-09-04 11:05 PM |
#109 |
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IBM Selectrics had proportional spacing 1970's |
Cogito ergo doleo |
Sep-09-04 11:26 PM |
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They most certainly did |
footinmouth |
Sep-09-04 11:36 PM |
#118 |
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I thought there would never be anything better than an IBM |
DemBones DemBones |
Sep-10-04 01:16 AM |
#124 |
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From your 1980's experience, you tell us about the 1970's? |
Bridget Burke |
Sep-10-04 01:26 AM |
#125 |
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"suppose the ball was interchangeable" |
sandnsea |
Sep-10-04 03:05 AM |
#128 |
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Hey, I kept my selectric balls for years, long after my red selectric |
henslee |
Sep-10-04 07:02 AM |
#134 |
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I understand why the Freeepers are playing this game. |
girl gone mad |
Sep-09-04 11:08 PM |
#110 |
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So Times New Roman is what was on the typewriter head |
SoCalDemocrat |
Sep-09-04 11:11 PM |
#112 |
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How do you type the "th" superscript, we have a Selectric II here |
FoeOfBush |
Sep-10-04 12:28 PM |
#147 |
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Oh good GOD! |
ibegurpard |
Sep-09-04 11:12 PM |
#113 |
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What crap. |
GaryL |
Sep-09-04 11:25 PM |
#116 |
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I agree...Rove Implant...nt |
phish420 |
Sep-10-04 02:56 AM |
#127 |
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Yeah and the pilot logs that they just released |
saracat |
Sep-10-04 04:08 AM |
#131 |
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And funny how *someone* knew to post the documents at FreeRepublic... |
Junkdrawer |
Sep-10-04 09:37 AM |
#140 |
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Here is the IBM selectric font that was used for the memo |
nomad1776 |
Sep-10-04 09:40 AM |
#141 |
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Cant resist a kick. |
henslee |
Sep-10-04 12:50 PM |
#149 |
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This has already been debunked. |
devinsgram |
Sep-10-04 01:00 PM |
#150 |
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if it were that easy to tell, hex--er Must_be_free, document experts |
John_H |
Sep-10-04 01:13 PM |
#151 |
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I agree with you. This is from Rove. |
BurtWorm |
Sep-10-04 01:23 PM |
#152 |
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and I think you've lost ALL credibility here, at least with me |
frank frankly |
Sep-10-04 05:52 PM |
#153 |
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