Reply #59: Theres two main points I want to make

[BootinUp]

Number one, to cut pork and other wasteful govt spending takes leadership, leadership that can work with congress not divide it. It takes leadership that is not connected to special interests.

Number two, this thread was about rhetoric and how the wrong kind of rhetoric will cost us the general election. I wouldn't be here supporting a candidate like I am if I didn't believe in democratic social programs, I do, my candidate has an excellent detailed plan to Turn Around America. But when you use big government rhetoric like Dean and scare off the middle of the road Americans then this battle won't be won in the end. QuakerBill says that this is a movement that could have longer term beneficial effects. I don't know, I want to win next year.

My point about the Welfare program is valid. If you don't think that welfare needed some reforms in the early 90's, then let me tell you what I know. When I was young and moved out of my folks house, I lived in Los Angeles for a year. It wasn't the nice part of LA. I met my wife during that time. She had lived there all her life. Many of the young girls she knew from shool had made that decision to go on welfare. I asked how can they decide to go on welfare? Well they get pregnant. It was that simple. How many and at what cost? I don't have the numbers. I can tell you it was ingrained in a segment of the population in LA and surely in other similar parts of the country.

I am with you in the battle against huge corporations that only take care of the CEO's the board of directors and don't give a sh*t about their workers. I am with you on taking care of our disabled. I am with you on raising Americans out of poverty. The bottom line is it takes tough decisions and leadership to get it done right. Rhetoric by itself ain't worth squat.