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92. And that Democratic president nearly destroyed the Democratic Party
Bill Clinton's legacy was that he did serious damage to the Democratic Party, so yes, I would blame Carville for that if you really want to give him credit for getting Bill Clinton elected. Clinton's disastrous early policies led to the Republicans gaining a majority in the House for the first time in over 40 years and getting a majority in the Senate as well. Then he passed a whole bunch of Republican backed legislation. And then he has the whole Monica Lewinsky affair that made it impossible to get anything done for the last two years of his presidency, and harmed Al Gore's chances.
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  -Will the DLC and it's boosters ever admit jaysunb  Oct-27-08 07:14 PM   #0 
  - Hell, not only will they admit it, they'll do all they can to steal the credit  orestes   Oct-27-08 07:16 PM   #1 
  - Check  jaysunb   Oct-27-08 07:21 PM   #7 
  - Not only did they NOT give credit where it was due, they actually panned Dean!  Doremus   Oct-27-08 07:25 PM   #15 
     - Carville = Wolf in Sheep's Clothing  Starlight   Oct-27-08 07:33 PM   #32 
        - James Carvillle gave us the first Democratic President since 1976  ...of J.Temperance   Oct-27-08 07:36 PM   #37 
           - Carville does what's good for Carville. And my remarks were NOT inaccurate.  Doremus   Oct-27-08 07:40 PM   #41 
           - I certainly do remember. I'll never forget.  Starlight   Oct-27-08 07:43 PM   #44 
           - Are you denying that Carville ran Clinton's two campaigns and gave us  ...of J.Temperance   Oct-27-08 07:51 PM   #52 
              - Nice straw man.  Doremus   Oct-27-08 09:05 PM   #82 
                 - No straw man, no unrelated territory, it's YOU that's offering the straw man  ...of J.Temperance   Oct-27-08 09:22 PM   #86 
                    - And that Democratic president nearly destroyed the Democratic Party  dansolo   Oct-27-08 09:31 PM   #92 
                       - Are you referring to FDR? Because, by your reasoning...  wyldwolf   Oct-27-08 09:41 PM   #94 
           - I agree...  Marthanna   Oct-27-08 07:47 PM   #50 
           - I haven't read the Thompson stuff about the Clinton campaign  ...of J.Temperance   Oct-27-08 07:53 PM   #53 
           - Carville was NOT responsible for Bill Clinton's presidency...  JaneQPublic   Oct-28-08 03:11 PM   #139 
  - 100% Correct n/t  VenusRising   Oct-27-08 07:24 PM   #13 
  - They will never admit it. Not ever.  MrsGrumpy   Oct-27-08 07:16 PM   #2 
  - What Happened To The DLC?  MannyGoldstein   Oct-27-08 07:16 PM   #3 
  - They are hibernating with the RNC.  OnceUponTimeOnTheNet   Oct-27-08 07:19 PM   #6 
  - No we are still living  ...of J.Temperance   Oct-27-08 07:24 PM   #14 
     - small giggle. nt  OnceUponTimeOnTheNet   Oct-27-08 07:57 PM   #55 
  - 50 State strategy isn't a winner  ...of J.Temperance   Oct-27-08 07:17 PM   #4 
  - So We're Actually Losing Now?  MannyGoldstein   Oct-27-08 07:21 PM   #8 
  - We are not losing, but the 50 state strategy isn't happening  ...of J.Temperance   Oct-27-08 07:25 PM   #16 
     - You don't really need someone to actually say that . . .  donco6   Oct-27-08 07:28 PM   #19 
     - Yes, this person really does.  MrsGrumpy   Oct-27-08 07:28 PM   #22 
     - apparently  Starlight   Oct-27-08 07:35 PM   #36 
     - It Means We're Active In 50 States, Not Winning In 50 States  MannyGoldstein   Oct-27-08 07:29 PM   #25 
     - I can give Howard Dean credit where credit is due, so if I can show that respect to Dean then I'd  ...of J.Temperance   Oct-27-08 07:33 PM   #31 
     - No, apparently you can't. See #4.  Starlight   Oct-27-08 07:44 PM   #46 
     - changing the subject from your misreprestation of the 50-state strategy?  CreekDog   Oct-27-08 09:26 PM   #91 
     - Just so long as you don't ask that I give any credit to Schumer.  LooseWilly   Oct-28-08 01:04 AM   #112 
     - Correct. It's about building the party in those dark red states.  FatDave   Oct-28-08 03:29 AM   #115 
     - that you are arguing this reveals that you are dishonest or ignorant of the 50-state strategy  CreekDog   Oct-27-08 09:24 PM   #89 
  - Can you tell me when the appropriate time is ?  jaysunb   Oct-27-08 07:23 PM   #9 
  - After the election  ...of J.Temperance   Oct-27-08 07:28 PM   #21 
     - Well, then, you'd better get on the train.  donco6   Oct-27-08 07:32 PM   #29 
  - (facepalm)  BlooInBloo   Oct-27-08 07:24 PM   #12 
  - best reply  Bucky   Oct-27-08 08:12 PM   #62 
  - You've got to be kidding.  donco6   Oct-27-08 07:26 PM   #17 
  - DLC is dead? Dunno, just checked my pulse, so this one is still alive  ...of J.Temperance   Oct-27-08 07:30 PM   #26 
     - You'll be in a museum soon.  Ikonoklast   Oct-27-08 07:32 PM   #30 
        - It's a good thing that Senator Obama doesn't think like you do  ...of J.Temperance   Oct-27-08 07:39 PM   #40 
           - Congratulations on your victory.  Ikonoklast   Oct-27-08 07:44 PM   #47 
           - If NOBODY had the DLC mindset  Sebastian Doyle   Oct-27-08 09:20 PM   #85 
  - you are saying we shouldn't have ANY presence in the states you mention?  CreekDog   Oct-27-08 09:23 PM   #87 
  - Um, 'cuz the DLC sucks and should be drowned in a bathtub?  Oregonian   Oct-28-08 12:47 AM   #109 
  - It's not all about the presidential race  KingFlorez   Oct-28-08 12:48 AM   #110 
  - Except that there are people in those states right now...  IAmJacksSmirkingRevenge   Oct-28-08 07:36 AM   #121 
  - 50 State Strategy IS A BIG WINNER and I have been thrilled to see it.  Overseas   Oct-28-08 12:05 PM   #133 
  - Howard Dean convinced Bill Clinton a few years back about it...  cynatnite   Oct-27-08 07:17 PM   #5 
  - Rahm Emanuel And Jim Carville Were Apoplectic At Dean Two Years Ago  MannyGoldstein   Oct-27-08 07:23 PM   #11 
     - I do remember Carville turned into a first rate asshole over all that...  cynatnite   Oct-27-08 07:28 PM   #20 
     - Carville Was Widely Seen As A Clinton Proxy  MannyGoldstein   Oct-27-08 07:30 PM   #27 
        - I have no reason to believe he was acting on their behalf...  cynatnite   Oct-27-08 07:33 PM   #33 
     - Emmanuel won back Congress for us and Carville helped get Pres. Clinton elected twice  ...of J.Temperance   Oct-27-08 08:11 PM   #61 
        - Dead Wrong. Your facts are wrong. Here are the correct ones.  madfloridian   Oct-27-08 09:20 PM   #84 
        - Emmanuel ran the Congressional Campaign in 2006 that resulted in our regaining Congress  ...of J.Temperance   Oct-27-08 09:26 PM   #90 
           - That's what my posts are about. You did not read them.  madfloridian   Oct-27-08 09:46 PM   #95 
        - Emmanual recruits lifelong Repubs to run with a (D) after their name.  dicksteele   Oct-28-08 12:56 AM   #111 
        - Emmanuel did no such fucking thing.  FatDave   Oct-28-08 03:36 AM   #116 
           - sure he did  wyldwolf   Oct-28-08 08:50 AM   #124 
  - This is NOT the time for such a thread designed to DIVIDE people  ...of J.Temperance   Oct-27-08 07:23 PM   #10 
  - This is a, "conversation " not an attack .  jaysunb   Oct-27-08 07:27 PM   #18 
  - Agreed.  MrsGrumpy   Oct-27-08 07:29 PM   #24 
  - Okay, I'm cool with a "conversation", I just would prefer no attacking happen  ...of J.Temperance   Oct-27-08 07:43 PM   #45 
  - See reply #4.  Starlight   Oct-27-08 07:41 PM   #42 
  - I said it upthread and I'll say it again: I hope the DLC is marginalized out of existence.  Doremus   Oct-27-08 07:29 PM   #23 
  - The only question I have is ...  Laelth   Oct-27-08 07:31 PM   #28 
  - They'll coattail and try to take credit  jaysunb   Oct-27-08 07:34 PM   #34 
  - Once we rid ourselves of Republicans, we'll have to rid outselves of the DLC.  polichick   Oct-27-08 07:35 PM   #35 
  - So we get rid of all those who don't think or believe like us? n/t  cynatnite   Oct-27-08 07:37 PM   # 
  - If that's what you call voting.  polichick   Oct-27-08 07:38 PM   #39 
     - Just threw me seeing in how it was worded...  cynatnite   Oct-27-08 07:43 PM   #43 
        - No problem. :)  polichick   Oct-27-08 07:45 PM   #48 
  - so, are you going to vote out 20+ Dem senators, 60+ house members...  wyldwolf   Oct-27-08 08:20 PM   #69 
     - Most of them will fade into the woodwork on their own...  polichick   Oct-27-08 08:21 PM   #70 
     - What writing on the wall would that be?  ...of J.Temperance   Oct-27-08 08:24 PM   #71 
        - that would be her high school bathroom wall  wyldwolf   Oct-27-08 08:26 PM   #74 
        - Lol for the first comment  ...of J.Temperance   Oct-27-08 08:40 PM   #78 
           - The problem is with a fillibuster majority, DLC and Blue dogs lose their "excuse"!  calipendence   Oct-27-08 09:00 PM   #81 
              - A primary to look forward to - especially now that we've registered...  polichick   Oct-28-08 06:42 AM   #120 
                 - you make some wild assumptions  wyldwolf   Oct-28-08 08:52 AM   #125 
        - Writing on the wall: THE DLC DAYS ARE OVER...  polichick   Oct-27-08 08:27 PM   #75 
           - that explains why they're padding the senate (and the house again) this year  wyldwolf   Oct-27-08 08:32 PM   #76 
           - Whatever  ...of J.Temperance   Oct-27-08 08:44 PM   #79 
              - Some people on the LW blogs are as nutty as the ones on the extreme right.  Beacool   Oct-28-08 12:41 AM   #108 
              - I think you missed the point...  polichick   Oct-28-08 06:24 AM   #117 
                 - This is kind of amazing...so the grassroots are taking the center back to the left  genna   Oct-28-08 09:03 AM   #126 
                    - I've been an activist for 30+ years, and imo more and more Dems are proudly reclaiming...  polichick   Oct-28-08 09:25 AM   #128 
     - One at a time.  PassingFair   Oct-27-08 09:53 PM   #96 
     - Yep.  polichick   Oct-28-08 06:27 AM   #118 
     - In full armor...  Moochy   Oct-27-08 11:46 PM   #101 
        - LOL - that obnoxious poster might as well be a Republican.  polichick   Oct-28-08 06:41 AM   #119 
           - LOL! such a naive little girl  wyldwolf   Oct-28-08 08:48 AM   #123 
  - Is the DLC as "yesterday" as the GOP will be in the wake of an Obama win?  mrone2   Oct-27-08 07:37 PM   #38 
  - The DLC as it exists today really sucks, but you are truly foolish  mtnsnake   Oct-27-08 07:45 PM   #49 
  - We can work together, we are the same party, and thank you for your  ...of J.Temperance   Oct-27-08 08:02 PM   #57 
  - You are very welcome, and you are very right  mtnsnake   Oct-27-08 08:18 PM   #67 
     - Exactly  ...of J.Temperance   Oct-27-08 08:34 PM   #77 
     - Senator Obama is doing well because he didn't vote for the war.  PassingFair   Oct-27-08 09:57 PM   #97 
     - I know exactly who the founding members of the DLC are and  jaysunb   Oct-27-08 11:32 PM   #100 
        - Great post.  Beacool   Oct-28-08 02:33 PM   #136 
  - The fatal flaw  Samantha   Oct-27-08 10:30 PM   #98 
  - Some of yous should be on your knees thanking the DLC for wining back both houses  Fluffdaddy   Oct-27-08 07:50 PM   #51 
  - We won back Congress because of Rahm Emmanuel's strategy  ...of J.Temperance   Oct-27-08 07:56 PM   #54 
  - OMG................I am not alone  Fluffdaddy   Oct-27-08 08:02 PM   #58 
     - Well  ...of J.Temperance   Oct-27-08 08:05 PM   #59 
        - more than that, I'd bet.  ulysses   Oct-27-08 08:24 PM   #72 
           - Well yes, as ever I was being modest  ...of J.Temperance   Oct-27-08 08:49 PM   #80 
  - ROFL.... put.. the crack pipe...down....  dionysus   Oct-28-08 12:29 PM   #134 
  - Kick & REC.  OnceUponTimeOnTheNet   Oct-27-08 07:58 PM   #56 
  - Can we wait at least 5 minutes after Barack is sworn-in to start eating our own?  OmahaBlueDog   Oct-27-08 08:07 PM   #60 
  - Thank you, this is what I've been saying in this thread  ...of J.Temperance   Oct-27-08 08:12 PM   #64 
  - yep.. second ugly thread tonight that's threatening our unity.  progressivebydesign   Oct-27-08 08:16 PM   #66 
  - Here's an answer  wyldwolf   Oct-27-08 08:12 PM   #63 
  - Thank you Wyldwolf  ...of J.Temperance   Oct-27-08 08:16 PM   #65 
  - Let's look at their states.  RUMMYisFROSTED   Oct-28-08 09:49 AM   #129 
  - Except for one minor detail  wyldwolf   Oct-28-08 10:56 AM   #130 
     - I agree they don't know who the DLC is.  RUMMYisFROSTED   Oct-28-08 12:01 PM   #132 
  - Exactly, in 2004 he probably wouldn't have even gotten the nomination.  Beacool   Oct-28-08 02:40 PM   #137 
  - Worked great for Howard Dean in 2004  texasleo   Oct-27-08 08:19 PM   #68 
  - The DLC and the Left both need each other, and the sooner we all realize that the better.  Forkboy   Oct-27-08 08:24 PM   #73 
  - If you change the definition of "Left" to dishwatery liberal  Hardrada   Oct-27-08 09:14 PM   #83 
  - I don't think anyone claims that's the only reason.  madfloridian   Oct-27-08 09:24 PM   #88 
  - Let's not confuse actual moderates with artificial (corporate) "centrism"  Sebastian Doyle   Oct-27-08 09:34 PM   #93 
  - Correct Forkboy - we must coexist  mvd   Oct-28-08 12:20 AM   #104 
  - While I would totally prefer to have a further left candidate...  Forkboy   Oct-28-08 12:38 AM   #106 
     - I see what you mean  mvd   Oct-28-08 01:12 AM   #113 
  - IMO the DLC is going to pass steadily into irrelevance  Hippo_Tron   Oct-28-08 12:41 AM   #107 
  - K&R  bvar22   Oct-27-08 11:10 PM   #99 
  - What is the point of this thread? Especially right now, 1 week before the election?  MetricSystem   Oct-27-08 11:51 PM   #102 
  - Cheers to Howard Dean & the DNC - Fuck the DLC!  LaPera   Oct-28-08 12:14 AM   #103 
  - Nice divisive thread you decided to post a week before the election.  Beacool   Oct-28-08 12:37 AM   #105 
  - see post # 100  jaysunb   Oct-28-08 12:48 PM   #135 
  - Obama is running center  TheKentuckian   Oct-28-08 02:49 AM   #114 
  - Not a chance  sampsonblk   Oct-28-08 07:44 AM   #122 
  - Seems like most of those DLC folks have moved on  LibFromWV   Oct-28-08 09:05 AM   #127 
  - The DLC will be happy to admit  quakerboy   Oct-28-08 11:01 AM   #131 
  - LOL !  jaysunb   Oct-28-08 04:21 PM   #140 
  - I don't know that any of us really knows how Obama will govern.  ulysses   Oct-28-08 02:59 PM   #138 
 

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