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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-08 11:38 AM
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98. Yes.
Legal definitions may be too narrow to convict Powell, but that's what I call him. */Cheney might not have gotten their war so soon--perhaps not even at all--without Powell's assistance. I've heard the rumors that he was dragged unwillingly along, but he seemed comfortable enough at the time, and has never shown a trace of remorse.

I can only hope that it disturbs his sleep, sometimes.
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  -How many of you veterans think Powell is a war criminal?? cliffordu  Oct-19-08 10:05 PM   #0 
  - I do.  woofless   Oct-19-08 10:06 PM   #1 
  - I'd think anyone who ever actually learned about war crimes  Occam Bandage   Oct-19-08 10:07 PM   #2 
  - I don't care if he's a war criminal. He's committed Treason, Fraud and Douchebaggery. n/t  IanDB1   Oct-19-08 10:09 PM   # 
  - No, I doubt it, yes.  Occam Bandage   Oct-19-08 11:12 PM   #40 
  - Oh my God...haven't we all.  Butch350   Oct-20-08 01:10 PM   #99 
  - Yep, me too....I think folks don't know the real meaning of some words...  cliffordu   Oct-19-08 10:09 PM   #3 
  - oh now we have to actually know the meaning of incendiary words before we use them great  grantcart   Oct-20-08 12:56 AM   #65 
     - All except for you, you sweet spellchecker, you....  cliffordu   Oct-20-08 01:06 AM   #67 
  - Huh? We hung Germans and Japanese for starting wars of aggression.  Warren Stupidity   Oct-19-08 10:44 PM   #22 
  - Untrue. if it were true, every general in the japanese and German high command  cliffordu   Oct-19-08 11:08 PM   #37 
  - You're right, they weren't. I lean toward his being a war criminal because of his U.N. performance.  billyoc   Oct-20-08 12:27 AM   #57 
  - I think about Goebbels, and Pol Pot and Idi Amin  cliffordu   Oct-20-08 01:03 AM   #66 
     - Alright, you know what, fuck it. Innocent until proven guilty.  billyoc   Oct-20-08 01:18 AM   #72 
        - Yeah, I did too....  cliffordu   Oct-20-08 01:23 AM   #75 
  - Untrue?  Warren Stupidity   Oct-20-08 06:48 AM   #89 
  - Please explain...  demokatgurrl   Oct-20-08 08:41 AM   #91 
     - No. War crimes.  cliffordu   Oct-20-08 10:40 AM   #92 
  - Lying to help launch an aggressive war against a country that never attacked us IS a war crime.  Zhade   Oct-19-08 10:56 PM   #29 
     - By definition? Really? It doesn't appear in the ICC's definition of "war crime."  Occam Bandage   Oct-19-08 11:09 PM   #39 
  - Veteran's spouse, not a veteran, and our opinion of Powell is  medicswife   Oct-19-08 10:09 PM   #4 
  - that's good to hear. My nephew is still in Iraq and i would love to hear what he thinks.  chimpsrsmarter   Oct-19-08 10:10 PM   #7 
  - I propose that we get all the Powell-Bashing out of our system by 5 PM EST Monday.  IanDB1   Oct-19-08 10:12 PM   #8 
  - No. I refuse to go along to get along. I will not sacrifice the truth for political expediency.  Zhade   Oct-19-08 10:58 PM   #30 
     - ZHADE SPEAKS FOR ME  Skittles   Oct-20-08 12:31 AM   #59 
     - If you get my suggestion all sticky, then it will stick to all the others in the suggestion box. n/t  IanDB1   Oct-20-08 08:39 AM   #90 
  - That's right. He will make tens of thousands rethink the Replug propaganda.  cliffordu   Oct-19-08 11:19 PM   #42 
  - Aye. He, of all people, should have known better.  billyoc   Oct-19-08 10:09 PM   #5 
  - that is the big fucking problem, billyoc  Skittles   Oct-20-08 12:17 AM   #54 
  - I do and I have no interest in engaging in a" back and forth"  jonnyblitz   Oct-19-08 10:09 PM   #6 
  - My other question, that should have been in the OP was:  cliffordu   Oct-19-08 10:13 PM   #9 
  - that is absurd  frogcycle   Oct-19-08 10:36 PM   #15 
     - Read this.  Zhade   Oct-19-08 10:59 PM   #31 
        - Thank you for the link. n/t  Dystopian   Oct-20-08 05:38 AM   #87 
  - By the letter of the law, no.  JohnnyLib2   Oct-19-08 10:18 PM   #10 
  - We believed him as he was always an honorable man  az chela   Oct-19-08 10:19 PM   #11 
  - For My Lai or Iraq?  Catch22Dem   Oct-19-08 10:24 PM   #12 
  - My lai.  cliffordu   Oct-19-08 10:36 PM   #14 
     - Doesn't diminish his own responsibility for not reporting the whole truth.  Solon   Oct-19-08 10:47 PM   #24 
  - I think he's a war criminal, for both the Mai Lai incident and  TheDebbieDee   Oct-19-08 10:30 PM   #13 
  - So along with slobodan milosevic, the commander of Buchenwald and  cliffordu   Oct-19-08 10:38 PM   #18 
  - You are seemingly willfully ignorant.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Oct-19-08 10:41 PM   #20 
     - Save your name-calling for someone you'll meet in person!  TheDebbieDee   Oct-19-08 10:51 PM   #25 
     - What would be the fun in that?  Fire_Medic_Dave   Oct-19-08 11:21 PM   #43 
     - Nope. I want to understand the litmus for war criminal here on DU.  cliffordu   Oct-19-08 10:54 PM   #27 
        - Soldiers can, have, and should be tried as war criminals if they've committed war crimes.  Zhade   Oct-19-08 11:01 PM   #32 
           - So how many Dem congresscritters and Rebugs will be lined up to hang???  cliffordu   Oct-19-08 11:04 PM   #35 
           - So you know what Top Secret information Colin Powell was given before his appearance at the UN?  Fire_Medic_Dave   Oct-19-08 11:24 PM   #44 
              - I think he got punked by Cheney.  cliffordu   Oct-19-08 11:36 PM   #49 
                 - He got punked by Tenet  teknomanzer   Oct-20-08 01:32 AM   #78 
                    - YES!!!  cliffordu   Oct-20-08 01:53 AM   #80 
                       - Powell's ego is really the key to the whole question...  teknomanzer   Oct-20-08 02:51 AM   #85 
  - War Criminal ... Iraq, My Lai . . . and one of the African nations/? Coup?  defendandprotect   Oct-19-08 10:37 PM   #16 
  - LOL  Skittles   Oct-19-08 10:37 PM   #17 
  - I can't believe people are suggesting otherwise. This country truly is brainwashed.  Zhade   Oct-19-08 11:02 PM   #33 
  - it is truly fucked up to see on a Democratic board  Skittles   Oct-20-08 12:14 AM   #52 
  - If Obama allows the military to make any offensive action after he takes office he's a war criminal?  Fire_Medic_Dave   Oct-19-08 11:27 PM   #46 
     - "Pre-emptive" war is a crime.  boppers   Oct-19-08 11:36 PM   #48 
     - Let's try this again.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Oct-20-08 04:44 PM   #103 
     - your black and white thinking reminds me of a fucking repuke  Skittles   Oct-20-08 12:15 AM   #53 
     - That's some funny stuff, pot meet kettle.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Oct-20-08 04:41 PM   #101 
     - I do believe I saw the words "for no fucking reason" in that post.  Zhade   Oct-20-08 12:49 AM   #61 
        - He would be continuing a "unprovoked war of aggression".  Fire_Medic_Dave   Oct-20-08 04:40 PM   #100 
  - Powell is an accomplice to promoting an aggressive war  Ichingcarpenter   Oct-19-08 10:39 PM   #19 
  - Thanks for the information  olegramps   Oct-20-08 02:22 AM   #83 
  - Not this veteran.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Oct-19-08 10:41 PM   #21 
  - Nope. Ain't buying it.  TexasObserver   Oct-19-08 10:45 PM   #23 
  - And then we have those like you who offer apologia for war crimes.  Zhade   Oct-19-08 11:03 PM   #34 
  - Where did you read that?  cynatnite   Oct-19-08 11:08 PM   #38 
  - Nope. Just have a lot more sense than you about matters like this.  TexasObserver   Oct-20-08 01:30 AM   #76 
  - Yep. that's exactly the point I'm trying to get to.  cliffordu   Oct-19-08 11:07 PM   #36 
  - Hey, it's got a real benefit.  TexasObserver   Oct-20-08 01:33 AM   #79 
     - Yep - I might have to put a few of the more hysterical on the "special" list....  cliffordu   Oct-20-08 01:54 AM   #81 
  - WRONG WRONG FUCKING DEAD WRONG  Skittles   Oct-20-08 12:18 AM   #55 
     - Hyperventilate much?  TexasObserver   Oct-20-08 01:30 AM   #77 
  - This vet disagrees. n/t  cynatnite   Oct-19-08 10:52 PM   #26 
  - A better wording would be "acknowledge".  Zhade   Oct-19-08 10:54 PM   #28 
  - Sigh. I think you need to look at previous case law concerning SECRETARIES OF STATE  cliffordu   Oct-19-08 11:12 PM   #41 
     - He should be prosecuted according to British law, yes.  Zhade   Oct-20-08 12:51 AM   #62 
        - For war criminals, I do. Hang them at the Hague.  cliffordu   Oct-20-08 01:56 AM   #82 
  - Are you asking veterans, most likely *not* lawyers, to parse and apply the law?  boppers   Oct-19-08 11:24 PM   #45 
  - Well....  cliffordu   Oct-19-08 11:45 PM   #50 
  - I'm part of the militia. We all are.  boppers   Oct-20-08 12:25 AM   #56 
     - Ya really ought to re-read the last two posts in this little diversion.  cliffordu   Oct-20-08 01:09 AM   #68 
        - not getting your point.  boppers   Oct-20-08 01:17 AM   #71 
  - I overrule your objection.  TexasObserver   Oct-20-08 04:31 AM   #86 
     - I am. I'm wit' choo.  cliffordu   Oct-20-08 10:42 AM   #93 
     - You asked a simple question of fellow vets.  TexasObserver   Oct-20-08 07:08 PM   #104 
     - Heya, thanks TO!  boppers   Oct-20-08 10:26 PM   #105 
  - He was part of the cover-up of the My Lai Massacre  IndianaGreen   Oct-19-08 11:29 PM   #47 
  - He was part of the cover up after the fact....I'm not sure about the letter he was  cliffordu   Oct-19-08 11:53 PM   #51 
  - I do  burrowowl   Oct-20-08 12:28 AM   #58 
  - I don't know. He has some degree of culpability ...  TahitiNut   Oct-20-08 12:42 AM   #60 
  - Allow me to help clear up any doubt - he knew full well he was being asked to lie.  Zhade   Oct-20-08 12:52 AM   #63 
  - That doesn't clear up a damned thing. (I didn't know you were a veteran.)  TahitiNut   Oct-20-08 12:54 AM   #64 
  - And his little team was being fed complete shit by Wolfowitz and Cheney.....  cliffordu   Oct-20-08 01:23 AM   #74 
  - Your article is impressive but I found the last line to be a surprise:  olegramps   Oct-20-08 02:42 AM   #84 
  - That post you have linked is EXACTLY right. It should be it's own OP>  cliffordu   Oct-20-08 01:12 AM   #70 
     - Thanks, bro. It's probably too nuanced for the B&W keyboard kommandos of DU.  TahitiNut   Oct-20-08 01:22 AM   #73 
  - There were probably decisions he deliberately made in the '91 war  Jed Dilligan   Oct-20-08 01:10 AM   #69 
  - I Fought with CP. He's OK in my book.  GalleryGod   Oct-20-08 05:43 AM   #88 
  - That's the voice I wanted to hear. Thanks.  cliffordu   Oct-20-08 10:43 AM   #95 
  - I don't know. I need more facts. nt  JenniferZ   Oct-20-08 10:43 AM   #94 
  - I dont, hes a victim like many others  mkultra   Oct-20-08 10:45 AM   #96 
  - People are only prosecuted for war crimes when their country is conquered or they surrender  Hippo_Tron   Oct-20-08 11:05 AM   #97 
  - Yes.  Orsino   Oct-20-08 11:38 AM   #98 
  - How many hairdressers think he's a war criminal?  Bornaginhooligan   Oct-20-08 04:42 PM   #102 
 

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