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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 11:36 PM
Response to Reply #46
48. "Pre-emptive" war is a crime.
Perhaps you missed that little tidbit.

It's much the fodder of legal cases, but basically, you cannot attack another nation on the grounds of "I thought they might attack me someday".

If Obama started a war with a nation that was not offensively attacking inside the borders of the US, or our allies, yes, he'd be a criminal too.

That's law.
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  -How many of you veterans think Powell is a war criminal?? cliffordu  Oct-19-08 10:05 PM   #0 
  - I do.  woofless   Oct-19-08 10:06 PM   #1 
  - I'd think anyone who ever actually learned about war crimes  Occam Bandage   Oct-19-08 10:07 PM   #2 
  - I don't care if he's a war criminal. He's committed Treason, Fraud and Douchebaggery. n/t  IanDB1   Oct-19-08 10:09 PM   # 
  - No, I doubt it, yes.  Occam Bandage   Oct-19-08 11:12 PM   #40 
  - Oh my God...haven't we all.  Butch350   Oct-20-08 01:10 PM   #99 
  - Yep, me too....I think folks don't know the real meaning of some words...  cliffordu   Oct-19-08 10:09 PM   #3 
  - oh now we have to actually know the meaning of incendiary words before we use them great  grantcart   Oct-20-08 12:56 AM   #65 
     - All except for you, you sweet spellchecker, you....  cliffordu   Oct-20-08 01:06 AM   #67 
  - Huh? We hung Germans and Japanese for starting wars of aggression.  Warren Stupidity   Oct-19-08 10:44 PM   #22 
  - Untrue. if it were true, every general in the japanese and German high command  cliffordu   Oct-19-08 11:08 PM   #37 
  - You're right, they weren't. I lean toward his being a war criminal because of his U.N. performance.  billyoc   Oct-20-08 12:27 AM   #57 
  - I think about Goebbels, and Pol Pot and Idi Amin  cliffordu   Oct-20-08 01:03 AM   #66 
     - Alright, you know what, fuck it. Innocent until proven guilty.  billyoc   Oct-20-08 01:18 AM   #72 
        - Yeah, I did too....  cliffordu   Oct-20-08 01:23 AM   #75 
  - Untrue?  Warren Stupidity   Oct-20-08 06:48 AM   #89 
  - Please explain...  demokatgurrl   Oct-20-08 08:41 AM   #91 
     - No. War crimes.  cliffordu   Oct-20-08 10:40 AM   #92 
  - Lying to help launch an aggressive war against a country that never attacked us IS a war crime.  Zhade   Oct-19-08 10:56 PM   #29 
     - By definition? Really? It doesn't appear in the ICC's definition of "war crime."  Occam Bandage   Oct-19-08 11:09 PM   #39 
  - Veteran's spouse, not a veteran, and our opinion of Powell is  medicswife   Oct-19-08 10:09 PM   #4 
  - that's good to hear. My nephew is still in Iraq and i would love to hear what he thinks.  chimpsrsmarter   Oct-19-08 10:10 PM   #7 
  - I propose that we get all the Powell-Bashing out of our system by 5 PM EST Monday.  IanDB1   Oct-19-08 10:12 PM   #8 
  - No. I refuse to go along to get along. I will not sacrifice the truth for political expediency.  Zhade   Oct-19-08 10:58 PM   #30 
     - ZHADE SPEAKS FOR ME  Skittles   Oct-20-08 12:31 AM   #59 
     - If you get my suggestion all sticky, then it will stick to all the others in the suggestion box. n/t  IanDB1   Oct-20-08 08:39 AM   #90 
  - That's right. He will make tens of thousands rethink the Replug propaganda.  cliffordu   Oct-19-08 11:19 PM   #42 
  - Aye. He, of all people, should have known better.  billyoc   Oct-19-08 10:09 PM   #5 
  - that is the big fucking problem, billyoc  Skittles   Oct-20-08 12:17 AM   #54 
  - I do and I have no interest in engaging in a" back and forth"  jonnyblitz   Oct-19-08 10:09 PM   #6 
  - My other question, that should have been in the OP was:  cliffordu   Oct-19-08 10:13 PM   #9 
  - that is absurd  frogcycle   Oct-19-08 10:36 PM   #15 
     - Read this.  Zhade   Oct-19-08 10:59 PM   #31 
        - Thank you for the link. n/t  Dystopian   Oct-20-08 05:38 AM   #87 
  - By the letter of the law, no.  JohnnyLib2   Oct-19-08 10:18 PM   #10 
  - We believed him as he was always an honorable man  az chela   Oct-19-08 10:19 PM   #11 
  - For My Lai or Iraq?  Catch22Dem   Oct-19-08 10:24 PM   #12 
  - My lai.  cliffordu   Oct-19-08 10:36 PM   #14 
     - Doesn't diminish his own responsibility for not reporting the whole truth.  Solon   Oct-19-08 10:47 PM   #24 
  - I think he's a war criminal, for both the Mai Lai incident and  TheDebbieDee   Oct-19-08 10:30 PM   #13 
  - So along with slobodan milosevic, the commander of Buchenwald and  cliffordu   Oct-19-08 10:38 PM   #18 
  - You are seemingly willfully ignorant.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Oct-19-08 10:41 PM   #20 
     - Save your name-calling for someone you'll meet in person!  TheDebbieDee   Oct-19-08 10:51 PM   #25 
     - What would be the fun in that?  Fire_Medic_Dave   Oct-19-08 11:21 PM   #43 
     - Nope. I want to understand the litmus for war criminal here on DU.  cliffordu   Oct-19-08 10:54 PM   #27 
        - Soldiers can, have, and should be tried as war criminals if they've committed war crimes.  Zhade   Oct-19-08 11:01 PM   #32 
           - So how many Dem congresscritters and Rebugs will be lined up to hang???  cliffordu   Oct-19-08 11:04 PM   #35 
           - So you know what Top Secret information Colin Powell was given before his appearance at the UN?  Fire_Medic_Dave   Oct-19-08 11:24 PM   #44 
              - I think he got punked by Cheney.  cliffordu   Oct-19-08 11:36 PM   #49 
                 - He got punked by Tenet  teknomanzer   Oct-20-08 01:32 AM   #78 
                    - YES!!!  cliffordu   Oct-20-08 01:53 AM   #80 
                       - Powell's ego is really the key to the whole question...  teknomanzer   Oct-20-08 02:51 AM   #85 
  - War Criminal ... Iraq, My Lai . . . and one of the African nations/? Coup?  defendandprotect   Oct-19-08 10:37 PM   #16 
  - LOL  Skittles   Oct-19-08 10:37 PM   #17 
  - I can't believe people are suggesting otherwise. This country truly is brainwashed.  Zhade   Oct-19-08 11:02 PM   #33 
  - it is truly fucked up to see on a Democratic board  Skittles   Oct-20-08 12:14 AM   #52 
  - If Obama allows the military to make any offensive action after he takes office he's a war criminal?  Fire_Medic_Dave   Oct-19-08 11:27 PM   #46 
     - "Pre-emptive" war is a crime.  boppers   Oct-19-08 11:36 PM   #48 
     - Let's try this again.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Oct-20-08 04:44 PM   #103 
     - your black and white thinking reminds me of a fucking repuke  Skittles   Oct-20-08 12:15 AM   #53 
     - That's some funny stuff, pot meet kettle.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Oct-20-08 04:41 PM   #101 
     - I do believe I saw the words "for no fucking reason" in that post.  Zhade   Oct-20-08 12:49 AM   #61 
        - He would be continuing a "unprovoked war of aggression".  Fire_Medic_Dave   Oct-20-08 04:40 PM   #100 
  - Powell is an accomplice to promoting an aggressive war  Ichingcarpenter   Oct-19-08 10:39 PM   #19 
  - Thanks for the information  olegramps   Oct-20-08 02:22 AM   #83 
  - Not this veteran.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Oct-19-08 10:41 PM   #21 
  - Nope. Ain't buying it.  TexasObserver   Oct-19-08 10:45 PM   #23 
  - And then we have those like you who offer apologia for war crimes.  Zhade   Oct-19-08 11:03 PM   #34 
  - Where did you read that?  cynatnite   Oct-19-08 11:08 PM   #38 
  - Nope. Just have a lot more sense than you about matters like this.  TexasObserver   Oct-20-08 01:30 AM   #76 
  - Yep. that's exactly the point I'm trying to get to.  cliffordu   Oct-19-08 11:07 PM   #36 
  - Hey, it's got a real benefit.  TexasObserver   Oct-20-08 01:33 AM   #79 
     - Yep - I might have to put a few of the more hysterical on the "special" list....  cliffordu   Oct-20-08 01:54 AM   #81 
  - WRONG WRONG FUCKING DEAD WRONG  Skittles   Oct-20-08 12:18 AM   #55 
     - Hyperventilate much?  TexasObserver   Oct-20-08 01:30 AM   #77 
  - This vet disagrees. n/t  cynatnite   Oct-19-08 10:52 PM   #26 
  - A better wording would be "acknowledge".  Zhade   Oct-19-08 10:54 PM   #28 
  - Sigh. I think you need to look at previous case law concerning SECRETARIES OF STATE  cliffordu   Oct-19-08 11:12 PM   #41 
     - He should be prosecuted according to British law, yes.  Zhade   Oct-20-08 12:51 AM   #62 
        - For war criminals, I do. Hang them at the Hague.  cliffordu   Oct-20-08 01:56 AM   #82 
  - Are you asking veterans, most likely *not* lawyers, to parse and apply the law?  boppers   Oct-19-08 11:24 PM   #45 
  - Well....  cliffordu   Oct-19-08 11:45 PM   #50 
  - I'm part of the militia. We all are.  boppers   Oct-20-08 12:25 AM   #56 
     - Ya really ought to re-read the last two posts in this little diversion.  cliffordu   Oct-20-08 01:09 AM   #68 
        - not getting your point.  boppers   Oct-20-08 01:17 AM   #71 
  - I overrule your objection.  TexasObserver   Oct-20-08 04:31 AM   #86 
     - I am. I'm wit' choo.  cliffordu   Oct-20-08 10:42 AM   #93 
     - You asked a simple question of fellow vets.  TexasObserver   Oct-20-08 07:08 PM   #104 
     - Heya, thanks TO!  boppers   Oct-20-08 10:26 PM   #105 
  - He was part of the cover-up of the My Lai Massacre  IndianaGreen   Oct-19-08 11:29 PM   #47 
  - He was part of the cover up after the fact....I'm not sure about the letter he was  cliffordu   Oct-19-08 11:53 PM   #51 
  - I do  burrowowl   Oct-20-08 12:28 AM   #58 
  - I don't know. He has some degree of culpability ...  TahitiNut   Oct-20-08 12:42 AM   #60 
  - Allow me to help clear up any doubt - he knew full well he was being asked to lie.  Zhade   Oct-20-08 12:52 AM   #63 
  - That doesn't clear up a damned thing. (I didn't know you were a veteran.)  TahitiNut   Oct-20-08 12:54 AM   #64 
  - And his little team was being fed complete shit by Wolfowitz and Cheney.....  cliffordu   Oct-20-08 01:23 AM   #74 
  - Your article is impressive but I found the last line to be a surprise:  olegramps   Oct-20-08 02:42 AM   #84 
  - That post you have linked is EXACTLY right. It should be it's own OP>  cliffordu   Oct-20-08 01:12 AM   #70 
     - Thanks, bro. It's probably too nuanced for the B&W keyboard kommandos of DU.  TahitiNut   Oct-20-08 01:22 AM   #73 
  - There were probably decisions he deliberately made in the '91 war  Jed Dilligan   Oct-20-08 01:10 AM   #69 
  - I Fought with CP. He's OK in my book.  GalleryGod   Oct-20-08 05:43 AM   #88 
  - That's the voice I wanted to hear. Thanks.  cliffordu   Oct-20-08 10:43 AM   #95 
  - I don't know. I need more facts. nt  JenniferZ   Oct-20-08 10:43 AM   #94 
  - I dont, hes a victim like many others  mkultra   Oct-20-08 10:45 AM   #96 
  - People are only prosecuted for war crimes when their country is conquered or they surrender  Hippo_Tron   Oct-20-08 11:05 AM   #97 
  - Yes.  Orsino   Oct-20-08 11:38 AM   #98 
  - How many hairdressers think he's a war criminal?  Bornaginhooligan   Oct-20-08 04:42 PM   #102 
 

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