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chascarrillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 12:15 AM
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  -Helen Bannerman's "Sambo" was about an Indian boy... Stern21  Sep-06-08 08:00 AM   #0 
  - Yes, "Little Black Sambo" is from India. nt  MookieWilson   Sep-06-08 08:01 AM   #1 
  - Wrong thread. Thank you.  Life Long Dem   Sep-06-08 08:10 AM   #9 
  - Yes, and IIRC, it's not particularly racist...  Catch22Dem   Sep-06-08 08:03 AM   #2 
  - IIRC, the first illutrations were of an Indian boy. n/t  Stern21   Sep-06-08 08:04 AM   #3 
  - Yes, Bannerman lived for years in India, and wrote the book for her kids.....  Hieronymus   Sep-06-08 11:43 AM   #58 
     - I hope folks take the time to go to your link. n/t  Stern21   Sep-06-08 01:21 PM   #61 
  - Well, the restaurant chain "Sambo's" had pic of Af. American foreign boy, I think.  indie_ana_500   Sep-06-08 08:05 AM   #5 
     - And therein lies the rub.  Stern21   Sep-06-08 08:08 AM   #6 
     - No, the restaurant had depictions of an Indian boy.  RUMMYisFROSTED   Sep-06-08 08:09 AM   #7 
        - Hmmm. Then why did Af. American leaders get the rest. to drop the image?  indie_ana_500   Sep-06-08 08:16 AM   #11 
        - I don't know how they relate, or the time sequence,  LWolf   Sep-06-08 01:35 PM   #62 
        - I checked it out. Yes, the image changed. Used to be DARK boy, then lightenened skin later.  indie_ana_500   Sep-06-08 08:20 AM   #13 
        - Those pictures are from after the protests started.  Warren Stupidity   Sep-06-08 08:22 AM   #15 
        - I'm not defending anything.  RUMMYisFROSTED   Sep-06-08 08:38 AM   #24 
           - Yes you did.  Warren Stupidity   Sep-06-08 09:26 AM   #33 
              - If the earlier designs were different, I'll stand corrected.  RUMMYisFROSTED   Sep-06-08 09:53 AM   #41 
                 - Wiki  Warren Stupidity   Sep-06-08 10:15 AM   #45 
        - That's not the graphic that was in use at the Sambo's in my area  Gormy Cuss   Sep-06-08 09:44 AM   #39 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-06-08 08:05 AM   #4 
  - Exactly.  Stern21   Sep-06-08 08:14 AM   #10 
     - I have no recollection as to what the deleted message contained  Stern21   Sep-06-08 02:06 PM   #63 
  - By 1927 the illustrations were of negroes.  Warren Stupidity   Sep-06-08 08:09 AM   #8 
  - It depends on which publications you picked.  Stern21   Sep-06-08 08:24 AM   #16 
  - A link to the story.  RC   Sep-06-08 08:19 AM   #12 
  - In my little golden book Sambo was black  JoshDem   Sep-06-08 08:21 AM   #14 
  - Tigers are found in INDIA, not Africa, so your understanding is wrong.  TexasObserver   Sep-06-08 08:26 AM   #17 
  - THANK YOU! n/t  Stern21   Sep-06-08 08:27 AM   #18 
  - True--but Sambo was as black as can be in the story as was his Mom  JoshDem   Sep-06-08 08:28 AM   #19 
  - Yes. INDIANS. Black.  TexasObserver   Sep-06-08 08:29 AM   #20 
  - Are you even aware  verges   Sep-06-08 08:44 AM   #27 
     - Yes, of course I'm aware. This is a discussion about the actual STORY.  TexasObserver   Sep-06-08 08:47 AM   #28 
        - Children don't read footnotes.  baldguy   Sep-06-08 09:38 AM   #38 
        - You're arguing with yourself. No one has constructed your straw man.  TexasObserver   Sep-06-08 10:13 AM   #43 
        - I did read all the posts, thank you.  baldguy   Sep-06-08 10:29 AM   #50 
        - Another thank you.  Stern21   Sep-06-08 11:07 AM   #55 
        - Exactly.  BumRushDaShow   Sep-06-08 10:34 AM   #51 
        - Then why is it in GDP?  verges   Sep-06-08 07:36 PM   #65 
  - Oh, another one who looks at the pics rather than reads the story.  Stern21   Sep-06-08 08:31 AM   #21 
     - Read it 50 nyears ago  JoshDem   Sep-06-08 08:33 AM   #23 
        - English major here and will vent against word vs. picture.  Stern21   Sep-06-08 08:42 AM   #26 
  - That's not the point.  verges   Sep-06-08 08:40 AM   #25 
  - You've missed the point. We're talking about the ORIGIN of the story.  TexasObserver   Sep-06-08 08:50 AM   #29 
     - Then perhaps you'd  verges   Sep-06-08 07:40 PM   #66 
  - Tigers being found only in India...  Terran   Sep-06-08 10:20 AM   #46 
     - The ORIGIN of the story is the point.  TexasObserver   Sep-06-08 10:25 AM   #48 
        - No, the origin of the story is not the "point".  Terran   Sep-07-08 12:12 AM   #69 
  - My oldest brother was born in 1946 and my parents had those.  sammytko   Sep-06-08 09:31 AM   #35 
  - Despite Bannerman's book, in the U.S., it is a racist caricature of African-Americans.  The Stranger   Sep-06-08 08:31 AM   #22 
  - The OP stated as much in the original post.  TexasObserver   Sep-06-08 08:52 AM   #30 
     - God, and yet another thank you.  Stern21   Sep-06-08 11:12 AM   #56 
     - Actually. it was pretty clear to me  verges   Sep-06-08 07:49 PM   #67 
  - I had that book as a child.  MuseRider   Sep-06-08 09:06 AM   #31 
  - I had it too, the Little Golden Book version  Tansy_Gold   Sep-06-08 10:25 AM   #47 
  - And this info changes the derisive term...how?  noel711   Sep-06-08 09:22 AM   #32 
  - It is an illustration of how totally clueless we are about what is going on.  Warren Stupidity   Sep-06-08 09:30 AM   #34 
  - It is called knowledge or education.  RC   Sep-06-08 09:35 AM   #37 
  - Yes, and with that knowledge the history of Bannerman' " Sambo" is irrelevant  Gormy Cuss   Sep-06-08 09:53 AM   #40 
     - Racism is based in ignorance and lack of respect.  RC   Sep-06-08 11:07 AM   #54 
        - The book is only part of the history.  Gormy Cuss   Sep-06-08 12:16 PM   #60 
           - As in a certain name for a UK Jam  Stern21   Sep-06-08 03:14 PM   #64 
  - This incident is evidence . . .  Morning Dew   Sep-06-08 10:03 AM   #42 
  - Not necessarily. Like maybe when used in context it is not.  RC   Sep-06-08 09:31 AM   #36 
  - I think I get it.  Turbineguy   Sep-06-08 10:13 AM   #44 
  - Ah, those dark skinned people all look alike anyways.  Forkboy   Sep-06-08 10:28 AM   #49 
  - The question is not what a word means, but what it means to the speaker  Kurt_and_Hunter   Sep-06-08 10:39 AM   #52 
  - Whatever it's true origin, there's no excuse for the alleged context in which it was used  CakeGrrl   Sep-06-08 10:42 AM   #53 
  - Completely agree.  Stern21   Sep-06-08 11:15 AM   #57 
     - You are absolutely correct.  Stern21   Sep-06-08 11:47 AM   #59 
        - That is my understanding as well...  mamalone   Sep-06-08 08:00 PM   #68 
  - So?  chascarrillo   Sep-07-08 12:15 AM   #70 
 

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