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80. Unfortunately, I stopped to read this thread while taking a break from Lakoff's
Edited on Sun Aug-31-08 09:19 AM by Jackpine Radical
recent book, The Political Mind, in which he talks about how the Republicans build frames & narratives around their people. Shrub riding in on a carpet of redemption from his earlier life as a wastrel, for example.

He did a whole chapter on Anna Nicole and the competing narrative frames at play in the background that accounted for how she captivated the public imagination.

After my morning dose of Lakoff, I've been thinking about the Palin thing in the context of narrative frames (hell, call them archetypes if you're an old Jungian like one unnamed, decrepit shrink on this board). The issue is not going to boil down to the truth about McBoobs. It's gonna sink or swim on the basis of the narrative they spin around her, and I expect that they already have that one ready. It'll be something like
1) Submissive helper role (Good Stepford Wife, a woman the Fundies can approve of)
2) Religious fanatic
3) McBimbo/MILF (Gad, the bad things I learn hanging out on this board)--sublimated, subliminal sexuality slyly supporting Stupid's studliness (Like Bush & his codpiece-enhanced flyboy suit)

They're selling a script, a story. Our reality-based nitpicking about qualifications doesn't matter. If we want to win, we need to fight this with our own coherent, archetypally-rooted counter-story.
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  -Man the Lifeboats - She's Goin' Down NanceGreggs  Aug-30-08 11:16 PM   #0 
  - Nail, meet hammer.  JeffR   Aug-30-08 11:21 PM   #1 
  - Nail meet hammer & thumb!  rucognizant   Aug-31-08 06:47 AM   #69 
     - I do believe she's brought hope to the hopeless, temporarily.  ginnyinWI   Aug-31-08 10:46 AM   #99 
     - Republicans run good campaigns. It's about all they do well. Obama has shown that  John Q. Citizen   Aug-31-08 11:52 AM   #132 
     - Agree with you completely.  AllyCat   Aug-31-08 02:07 PM   #153 
     - Very thought-provoking post. We should not take this woman lightly.  BrklynLiberal   Aug-31-08 07:41 PM   #174 
     - equine art?  hay rick   Aug-31-08 09:45 PM   #186 
  - I love your optimism, but I remember a VP that could not spell.  Neshanic   Aug-30-08 11:22 PM   #2 
  - And I remember when a video game called "Pong" ...  NanceGreggs   Aug-30-08 11:34 PM   #9 
  - Pong still rules.  Political Heretic   Aug-31-08 05:16 AM   #62 
  - We have a Preesident that can't spell  Chisox08   Aug-31-08 02:18 AM   #43 
  - Pretty much says it all, yup, yup, yup. Was it Lindsay Graham's great advice  bjobotts   Aug-31-08 02:33 AM   #45 
     - And then Black says she'll learn from the master who will live at least 4 more years  bjobotts   Aug-31-08 02:34 AM   #46 
        - Proving the campaign of ignorance is also stupid..a bunch of "whinners"  bjobotts   Aug-31-08 02:35 AM   #47 
  - I think it is always good to be proactive -  ksimons   Aug-31-08 04:58 AM   #61 
     - never mind that she had to procure her first ever passport  barbtries   Aug-31-08 03:41 PM   #160 
  - Its about judgment, and the nerves of having a motto "country first"......  FrenchieCat   Aug-30-08 11:25 PM   #3 
  - Her motto is "Jesus First"  FatDave   Aug-31-08 11:18 AM   #112 
     - True Dat.  Solomon   Aug-31-08 11:29 AM   #123 
     - Amen!  Plucketeer   Aug-31-08 07:12 PM   #173 
  - Sanest post in the last 36 hours  Abacus   Aug-30-08 11:26 PM   #4 
  - At the time of the last presidential election, John Edwards was popular...  Eric J in MN   Aug-30-08 11:28 PM   #5 
  - Obama & Biden  Sugarcoated   Aug-31-08 12:00 AM   #19 
  - Well said, Nance  frogcycle   Aug-30-08 11:28 PM   #6 
  - or could be a chance to take McCain away from the podium, which he sucks at...  ksimons   Aug-31-08 05:55 AM   #66 
     - You are presenting a scary and very possible  SheilaT   Aug-31-08 08:57 PM   #183 
  - Impressive and right on the mark, as usual.  cliffordu   Aug-30-08 11:29 PM   #7 
  - what you said, nance, what you said.  roguevalley   Aug-30-08 11:34 PM   #8 
  - Nancy, Nancy, Nancy. You are brilliant!!  Phx_Dem   Aug-30-08 11:42 PM   #10 
  - Thanks for posting that link ...  NanceGreggs   Aug-30-08 11:46 PM   #13 
  - After reading the comments to the linked article. . . . . .  Tansy_Gold   Aug-31-08 08:25 AM   #75 
  - Oh get over it !!!!  BearSquirrel2   Aug-31-08 09:21 AM   #82 
  - Look, I'm not "pining" for anyone  Tansy_Gold   Aug-31-08 11:15 AM   #109 
  - I disagree with some of your suppostions, however,  CaptJasHook   Aug-31-08 11:20 AM   #113 
  - You can't be serious.  Beregond2   Aug-31-08 01:23 PM   #146 
  - Nope.  stevietheman   Aug-31-08 02:20 PM   #154 
  - Also, most of the comments were dominated by one poster... not exactly...  stevietheman   Aug-31-08 02:26 PM   #155 
  - Unfortunately, I stopped to read this thread while taking a break from Lakoff's  Jackpine Radical   Aug-31-08 09:17 AM   #80 
  - much as I enjoy reading Nance's posts  truth2power   Aug-31-08 10:31 AM   #94 
  - Yes, I think she's very dangerous.  Jackpine Radical   Aug-31-08 10:51 AM   #101 
     - I also think she's dangerous. Repubs turn faults into virtues by creative framing.  Straight Shooter   Aug-31-08 01:51 PM   #150 
  - How do you summarize the narrative frame of Obama/Biden?  CaptJasHook   Aug-31-08 11:17 AM   #111 
  - I think Obama has a natural genius for framing.  Jackpine Radical   Aug-31-08 11:34 AM   #125 
     - The strict father archtype is the heart of the repuke/fundie narrative.  BrklynLiberal   Aug-31-08 08:07 PM   #178 
  - Don't our candidates have their own narratives?  FatDave   Aug-31-08 11:23 AM   #117 
  - I think Obama has a  Mz Pip   Aug-31-08 11:52 AM   #133 
  - Lakoff shoud be like a god to the Dems. He has so much to teach about reframing  BrklynLiberal   Aug-31-08 06:17 PM   #171 
  - good questions in that article  barbtries   Aug-31-08 03:49 PM   #161 
  - Nance, you have well and truly outdone yourself this time. Touche.  kestrel91316   Aug-30-08 11:44 PM   #11 
  - Spot On.  earthside   Aug-30-08 11:46 PM   #12 
  - A withering assault  GrizzlyMan   Aug-30-08 11:47 PM   #14 
  - Thank you.  tallahasseedem   Aug-30-08 11:49 PM   #15 
  - Thanks, Nance, for zeroing in on mccain's and the cmw's  zidzi   Aug-30-08 11:51 PM   #16 
  - Excellent  Tumbulu   Aug-30-08 11:53 PM   #17 
  - I'm sure I speak for many when I say...  TwilightZone   Aug-30-08 11:57 PM   #18 
  - Great captivating read...  agentwilliam   Aug-31-08 12:03 AM   #20 
  - It's a hail mary  Sugarcoated   Aug-31-08 12:05 AM   #21 
  - I can understand the reasoning behind a "Hail Mary" ...  NanceGreggs   Aug-31-08 12:33 AM   #28 
  - You need to get an agent and syndicate  grantcart   Aug-31-08 12:19 AM   #22 
  - Especially since Bob Novak retired!!! Liberal punditry in my newspaper would be a novel idea!  Major Hogwash   Aug-31-08 01:16 AM   #34 
  - I was looking for the link to the major news outlet. Why aren't you a professional?  jazzjunkysue   Aug-31-08 09:17 AM   #81 
  - I agree and have said so before.  FatDave   Aug-31-08 11:28 AM   #122 
  - Damn, I need that! K and R  ClayZ   Aug-31-08 12:27 AM   #23 
  - So, what happened to "Senator McCain"? You know, the one Senator Kerry ...  understandinglife   Aug-31-08 12:28 AM   #24 
  - Early dementia - period. Being played like a fiddle. -nt  democrat2thecore   Aug-31-08 12:29 AM   #26 
     - Maybe. But, likely not. The clinical signs are more consistent with prolonged ...  understandinglife   Aug-31-08 12:39 AM   #30 
  - Only one problem with an otherwise excellent analysis  cameozalaznick   Aug-31-08 12:29 AM   #25 
  - Well, yes ...  NanceGreggs   Aug-31-08 12:36 AM   #29 
  - These are the people McCain is pandering to ...  BearSquirrel2   Aug-31-08 09:29 AM   #85 
  - Spot-on analysis.  AzDar   Aug-31-08 12:33 AM   #27 
  - My dear Nance!  CaliforniaPeggy   Aug-31-08 01:01 AM   #31 
  - Good stuff, Nance. But......  democrat2thecore   Aug-31-08 01:08 AM   #32 
  - first let me say that I really didn't care if it was hillary or obama.  okieinpain   Aug-31-08 01:14 AM   #33 
  - Should have picked Hillary  akangel2008   Aug-31-08 01:17 AM   #35 
  - Nuh uh  JeffR   Aug-31-08 03:19 AM   #53 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-31-08 04:09 AM   #55 
  - either way would have been fine for me. no favorites here  okieinpain   Aug-31-08 10:54 AM   #102 
     - Cut the crap. She went out  sallyseven   Aug-31-08 03:54 PM   #162 
  - Wrong on so many levels!  Breeze54   Aug-31-08 01:21 AM   #36 
  - if you say so. but it's going to be a problem if the hottest governor  okieinpain   Aug-31-08 10:55 AM   #103 
     - Yes, It destresses me too that  Virginian   Aug-31-08 02:31 PM   #156 
     - I'm getting sick of reading about this "assumption of wide racism"  stevietheman   Aug-31-08 02:43 PM   #157 
        - yeah till the shit happens to you. like it or not that's life in this time.  okieinpain   Sep-01-08 03:27 AM   #190 
  - It is about us and I don't think...  cameozalaznick   Aug-31-08 01:23 AM   #38 
  - I'll have to give you that...  akangel2008   Aug-31-08 01:39 AM   #40 
  - shit bill and hillary both pissed me off, with that "if you don't  okieinpain   Aug-31-08 10:59 AM   #105 
  - Is this your reply to the OP ...  NanceGreggs   Aug-31-08 02:48 AM   #49 
     - no just my general opinion on this subject. sorry for the confusion.  okieinpain   Aug-31-08 11:01 AM   #106 
  - Excellent post.  1corona4u   Aug-31-08 01:21 AM   #37 
  - Not only are women voters not going to automatically vote for just any woman...  jmondine   Aug-31-08 01:36 AM   #39 
  - I'm already hearing that in a huge way from my friends  Patiod   Aug-31-08 09:37 AM   #86 
  - Well, McCain has fired his campaign manager 3 times in the last year. So, obviously, he isn't  Major Hogwash   Aug-31-08 01:46 AM   #41 
  - Excellent post!  Undercurrent   Aug-31-08 01:59 AM   #42 
  - EXCELLENT and on the money as usual  opihimoimoi   Aug-31-08 02:30 AM   #44 
  - Heres the answer, from now on refer to her as "Grandma Palin"  symbolman   Aug-31-08 02:42 AM   #48 
  - Hammer meet final nail in coffin. Well done Nance, well done!  greyghost   Aug-31-08 03:01 AM   #50 
  - I was heckled for saying this yesterday....  OwnedByFerrets   Aug-31-08 03:05 AM   #51 
  - I may actually watch the Sunday morning shows to see what story they have come up with  underpants   Aug-31-08 03:17 AM   #52 
  - I think you're right. She will be the straw that killed the golden calf ... or ... something.  Kablooie   Aug-31-08 04:09 AM   #54 
  - Republicans are all from Lego-land..where evrything is interchangeable  SoCalDem   Aug-31-08 04:12 AM   #56 
  - I been a-lookin' and a-waitin' for yer spot-on evaluatin of Ol' Geezer's nominatin' of Ms. Palin!  1Hippiechick   Aug-31-08 04:31 AM   #57 
  - Question: your post is only a few hours old, but yet it is flamin'  1Hippiechick   Aug-31-08 04:35 AM   #58 
  - Harriet Miers! Yes, I knew this reminded me of something!  dotcosm   Aug-31-08 04:51 AM   #59 
  - The promise to overturn Roe v. Wade is about the only promise to the religious right that Bush  No Elephants   Aug-31-08 04:54 AM   #60 
  - Terrific piece, NG......but I don`t know whether to laugh or cry.  democrank   Aug-31-08 05:35 AM   #63 
  - Come on January 20, 2009! You sweet day!  lonestarnot   Aug-31-08 05:43 AM   #64 
  - Nice, Nance!  Enthusiast   Aug-31-08 05:48 AM   #65 
  - Not over yet .......................  resnah   Aug-31-08 06:23 AM   #67 
  - Major U.S. political columnists go days and weeks without a  Old Crusoe   Aug-31-08 06:33 AM   #68 
  - NG  JustAnotherGen   Aug-31-08 06:49 AM   #70 
  - Here's hoping you're right, Nance. nt  bklyncowgirl   Aug-31-08 06:57 AM   #71 
  - I Do Hope You Are Right  lilyannerose   Aug-31-08 07:14 AM   #72 
  - Who would have thought he'd pick his grand-daughter.........  Historic NY   Aug-31-08 07:30 AM   #73 
  - I see her as the new fanatsy for  The Wizard   Aug-31-08 04:47 PM   #164 
  - Spot on!!  NM Independent   Aug-31-08 07:36 AM   #74 
  - What I always LOVE about you Nance, are the dead-on, lovely metaphors! You Rock!  DrZeeLit   Aug-31-08 08:28 AM   #76 
  - Excellent post! The Harriet Miers of VP's. What a connection.  20score   Aug-31-08 08:53 AM   #77 
  - Oh, and I second what grantcart said.  20score   Aug-31-08 08:58 AM   #78 
  - Great piece, Nance.  WIllo   Aug-31-08 09:12 AM   #79 
  - BEST. SLAPDOWN. EVER. !!!  Demeter   Aug-31-08 09:25 AM   #83 
  - Excellent!  Kadie   Aug-31-08 09:29 AM   #84 
  - I was waiting for your post on this. Good one, Nance!  mnhtnbb   Aug-31-08 09:42 AM   #87 
  - Elegantly nailed.  madamesilverspurs   Aug-31-08 10:17 AM   #88 
  - Amen  Irishonly   Aug-31-08 10:26 AM   #89 
  - Kick & R-WOW! Thanks for the post!  bronxiteforever   Aug-31-08 10:27 AM   #90 
  - I have no choice but to agree  nevergiveup   Aug-31-08 10:28 AM   #91 
  - SO wise Nance, so prescient: "as an answer to a Trivial Pursuit question ...  FraDon   Aug-31-08 10:29 AM   #92 
  - Oops, CNN just reported the Vice President will not be attending either. n/t  FraDon   Aug-31-08 10:39 AM   #95 
  - What the hell is a dominionist?  Buttercup McToots   Aug-31-08 10:30 AM   #93 
  - Everything you ever wanted to know about Dominionism, but were afraid to ask.  BrklynLiberal   Aug-31-08 08:18 PM   #180 
  - I consider it a low-blow to bring the "rearing of her children" into the conversation.  PeaceNikki   Aug-31-08 10:39 AM   #96 
  - I don't think Nance would disagree with you,  ejbr   Aug-31-08 10:46 AM   #98 
     - it's comparable to Repub's being favorable racism at work against Obama... except unlike Nance-  bettyellen   Aug-31-08 11:16 AM   #110 
        - And those that "get it" are accused of being freepers and "protecting" Palin.  PeaceNikki   Aug-31-08 11:22 AM   #115 
        - The more I hear,  ejbr   Aug-31-08 11:25 AM   #118 
           - What about a father of 5?  PeaceNikki   Aug-31-08 11:26 AM   #120 
           - Ok  ejbr   Aug-31-08 11:31 AM   #124 
              - it is simply that the quality of her family life shouldn;t be held up for MORE INTENSE SCRUTINY  bettyellen   Aug-31-08 12:15 PM   #139 
                 - Fair enough, but  ejbr   Aug-31-08 08:10 PM   #179 
                    - it's a very personal thing- and much too dangerous for any of us to sit in judgement of  bettyellen   Sep-01-08 01:31 PM   #191 
                       - Cheers n/t  ejbr   Sep-01-08 01:40 PM   #192 
           - just not curious about the dad though- and just not getting it at all.  bettyellen   Aug-31-08 12:10 PM   #138 
        - You're right...  ejbr   Aug-31-08 11:23 AM   #116 
        - It is not how she mothers her family that is the question. It is the hypocrisy that  BrklynLiberal   Aug-31-08 09:04 PM   #184 
  - Not only should we question McCain's judgment,  ejbr   Aug-31-08 10:41 AM   #97 
  - Goin' Down On Who, That Is The Question  Dinger   Aug-31-08 10:47 AM   #100 
  - i'm telling you now, I'm stealing your line here:  skypuddle   Aug-31-08 10:56 AM   #104 
  - Giggity  BlueDogDemocratNH   Aug-31-08 11:03 AM   #107 
  - Nance, I enjoyed reading your piece and was especially struck by these words:  hisownpetard   Aug-31-08 11:12 AM   #108 
  - I agree, Sarah is pretty... John is not.  Imagevision   Aug-31-08 11:20 AM   #114 
  - My meme: MCCAIN +PALIN= MORE OF THE SAME  everything-bolt-up   Aug-31-08 11:26 AM   #119 
  - Sarah has an anger problem too. If she was in control of her emotions  alfredo   Aug-31-08 11:27 AM   #121 
  - Low blows are of little concern in a fight for your life.  TheKentuckian   Aug-31-08 12:01 PM   #137 
     - It's about temperament. Will she act in a vindictive manner like McCain?  alfredo   Aug-31-08 12:34 PM   #142 
  - Stunning ....Nance...!  KoKo01   Aug-31-08 11:35 AM   #126 
  - K&R  BumRushDaShow   Aug-31-08 11:36 AM   #127 
  - I found it amusing that the worst campaign I've ever seen, could actually  rasputin1952   Aug-31-08 11:42 AM   #128 
  - But...  Baby Snooks   Aug-31-08 11:48 AM   #129 
  - Where have I seen this before???  nichomachus   Aug-31-08 11:48 AM   #130 
  - McLame just assured that the GOP will have 20 years in the political wilderness. n/t.  Odin2005   Aug-31-08 11:50 AM   #131 
  - The very few people I know who were 'on the fence'  debbierlus   Aug-31-08 11:53 AM   #134 
  - She IS dreadful...  Baby Snooks   Aug-31-08 12:25 PM   #140 
  - I wouldn't get too optimistic.  caseymoz   Aug-31-08 11:54 AM   #135 
  - Nance, I saved my 1000th post in hopes of using it to reply to another of your excellent OPs  beac   Aug-31-08 11:55 AM   #136 
  - What Repugs do trying to pander to women  tbyg52   Aug-31-08 12:33 PM   #141 
  - yes- but do we want to join in on the sexism? some here seee no harm in that.  bettyellen   Aug-31-08 12:38 PM   #143 
     - No, we sure don't.  tbyg52   Aug-31-08 01:09 PM   #145 
        - me neither, thank you!  bettyellen   Aug-31-08 04:20 PM   #163 
  - Great post, but what about this possibility?  MaineMike   Aug-31-08 12:43 PM   #144 
  - That all important wimmins vote. Spot on Nance.  midnight   Aug-31-08 01:26 PM   #147 
  - Thanks Nance, You've topped yourself. imho n/t  anitar1   Aug-31-08 01:35 PM   #148 
  - They are also accomplishing quite a bit while everyone is diverted.  glitch   Aug-31-08 01:40 PM   #149 
  - I'm not so sure this is the end of his campaign.  JackDragna   Aug-31-08 01:52 PM   #151 
  - I hope you're right.  gratefultobelib   Aug-31-08 02:03 PM   #152 
  - As always, you say what we all think and are unable to articulate as well. thanks. rec'd  williesgirl   Aug-31-08 03:14 PM   #158 
  - Well, Nance, thanks for calling it like it is. Only now there's two  trickyguy   Aug-31-08 03:24 PM   #159 
  - Sorry but I disagree entirely with the OP  newtothegame   Aug-31-08 04:55 PM   #165 
  - You are mistaking confidence for complacency ...  NanceGreggs   Aug-31-08 05:16 PM   #166 
  - in 3 wks you know that Nance is a hugely respected DUer?  themartyred   Aug-31-08 05:25 PM   #169 
  - well written, my friend  themartyred   Aug-31-08 05:21 PM   #167 
  - Sadly, it could still win them an election-- please never forget the fact that they cheat. BIG TIME  KaryninMiami   Aug-31-08 05:22 PM   #168 
  - Never disappointed by your posts.... Thank you so much,.  BrklynLiberal   Aug-31-08 06:14 PM   #170 
  - Well, I guess they won't be wearing "purple heart bandaids" at this year's GOP convention.  Major Hogwash   Aug-31-08 06:28 PM   #172 
  - Great post! I am so sick of coming on to DU to find out how  treestar   Aug-31-08 07:44 PM   #175 
  - Thank you so much for writing this.  graywarrior   Aug-31-08 07:48 PM   #176 
  - K&R  invictus   Aug-31-08 07:48 PM   #177 
  - Sqaush them like the rotten fruit they are now, this is all Rove engineered.  Historic NY   Aug-31-08 08:20 PM   #181 
  - huge kick!  FLDem5   Aug-31-08 08:54 PM   #182 
  - Plenty of nonsense  Awsi Dooger   Aug-31-08 09:35 PM   #185 
  - i do know this  madrchsod   Aug-31-08 10:26 PM   #187 
  - Plain Jane  quidam56   Aug-31-08 10:27 PM   #188 
  - Wikipedia: Thomas Eagleton  judasdisney   Aug-31-08 10:28 PM   #189 

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