| 195. This isn't about the daughter |
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What's more disgusting -- an implication that :gasp: a teenager might have had sex and gotten pregnant or being said teenager and having your own mother be so ashamed of you that she would herself fake a pregnancy and claim your baby as her own? Teenagers have sex and get pregnant. That's not the issue here, the issue is, did Palin FAKE a pregnancy and lie to the world in an attempt to cover up what might have been slightly politically embarrassing for her? It's not a brave motherly thing to fake a pregnancy. A brave mom would say "my daughter is pregnant and this is a personal matter" and that brave mom wouldn't give a shit whether it caused political fallout. Faking a pregnancy borders on psycho if you ask me. I don't know whether this story is true or not but this is huge and because there is a lot of circumstantial evidence that seems fishy I think this needs to be looked at and discredited if it is false (and an apology to Palin for suggesting she's a lying psychopath) or brought to the light of day. This isn't a PTA position we're talking about, this is a position that could put Palin one heartbeat away from leadership of the entire country.
The daughter is innocent regardless of whether this baby story is true or not. It's not her reputation that's at risk here, it's Palin's.
This part of the story needs to be investigated because if it is true it is a lie of such magnitude that it makes Palin unfit to be trusted with leadership.
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| -Today, I am ashamed to be a DU member |
B2G |
Aug-29-08 03:05 PM |
#0 |
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Sadly you can't control all posters but there are some good people here |
dmordue |
Aug-29-08 03:07 PM |
#1 |
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I know...It's ridiculous! |
busymom |
Aug-29-08 03:08 PM |
#2 |
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What? You're putting humanity before party? |
Psephos |
Aug-29-08 03:08 PM |
#3 |
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Its human nature to do this.. Personally, I have such disdain and disrespect |
glowing |
Aug-29-08 03:09 PM |
#4 |
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Vast majority of posters are very respectful. How come you didn't leave DU when trolls |
wienerdoggie |
Aug-29-08 03:10 PM |
#5 |
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Because I can tell the difference |
B2G |
Aug-29-08 03:12 PM |
#7 |
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Question .... where was all your outrage in the heat of the primaries? |
doublethink |
Aug-29-08 03:14 PM |
#14 |
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Particularly when Obama was compared to Christ, air-head celebrity, presumptous, questionable |
1Hippiechick |
Aug-30-08 06:25 AM |
#86 |
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Irrelevant n/t |
JoFerret |
Aug-30-08 10:50 AM |
#122 |
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So you propose condemning all things contemptible and NOT fighting back? The high road leads to |
1Hippiechick |
Aug-30-08 11:49 AM |
#130 |
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Total misreading |
JoFerret |
Aug-30-08 02:42 PM |
#140 |
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Clarify? |
1Hippiechick |
Aug-30-08 04:33 PM |
#143 |
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Example: Lies and distortion |
JoFerret |
Aug-30-08 08:58 PM |
#190 |
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Why condemn when you can simply expand your ignore list? |
Boojatta |
Aug-30-08 05:33 PM |
#157 |
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Ya know .... when my mom calls me on the phone and tells me .... |
doublethink |
Aug-30-08 01:30 PM |
#132 |
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I would say that you are spot on...and a pizza is being prepared... |
1Hippiechick |
Aug-30-08 02:09 PM |
#134 |
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No, oftentimes I can't. Many folks were banned here, some were a surprise. |
wienerdoggie |
Aug-29-08 03:18 PM |
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or leave because of the hatefully sexist comments about Hillary or Ferraro? n/t |
progressivebydesign |
Aug-30-08 05:38 PM |
#160 |
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Oh Pleez |
Teaser |
Aug-29-08 03:11 PM |
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I second that emotion! |
POAS |
Aug-31-08 07:05 AM |
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Dan Quayle in a dress, etc. |
ProSense |
Aug-29-08 03:13 PM |
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What's wrong with comparing Palin to Dan Quayle? |
backscatter712 |
Aug-29-08 04:14 PM |
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Absolutely nothing. It's a perfectly valid comparison. |
tbyg52 |
Aug-29-08 05:39 PM |
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I heard she's not even qualified to iron Hillary's pantsuits. |
Tigress DEM |
Aug-30-08 01:13 AM |
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Absolutely. |
tbyg52 |
Aug-30-08 10:57 AM |
#126 |
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Awww |
Bornaginhooligan |
Aug-29-08 03:13 PM |
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Name removed |
Aug-29-08 03:36 PM |
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Only today you are ashamed? Were you not here during the primaries? |
TheDebbieDee |
Aug-29-08 03:13 PM |
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Oh DebbieDee, haven't we seen it all, now? It's just sad. Real feminists have no party that really |
chimpymustgo |
Aug-30-08 07:09 AM |
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We always have you, chimpymustgo, to be Holier than thou, |
zidzi |
Aug-30-08 04:58 PM |
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it's not women, it's Sarah Palin |
LongDistanceRunner |
Aug-29-08 03:13 PM |
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Wrong |
DangerDave921 |
Aug-29-08 03:19 PM |
#25 |
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Exactly. Thank you. n/t |
B2G |
Aug-29-08 03:20 PM |
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My pleasure |
DangerDave921 |
Aug-29-08 03:29 PM |
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The ends DO justify the means, at this point. It' s called fighting fire with fire and striking back |
1Hippiechick |
Aug-30-08 06:53 AM |
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Your own candidate doesn't |
Balderdash |
Aug-30-08 05:40 PM |
#162 |
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"Do you really believe in Obama or do you just pay lip service to hope and change." |
1Hippiechick |
Aug-31-08 06:40 AM |
#191 |
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Wrong. The gloves are off - the high road doesn't win elections. n/t |
1Hippiechick |
Aug-30-08 06:30 AM |
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I agree with you but I don't. |
rebel with a cause |
Aug-30-08 08:38 PM |
#188 |
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??? Innocent young girls being slandered |
lamprey |
Aug-29-08 03:14 PM |
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IF? |
B2G |
Aug-29-08 03:18 PM |
#18 |
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Ask Chelsea |
lamprey |
Aug-29-08 03:20 PM |
#26 |
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Did you like it then? Was that right? |
B2G |
Aug-29-08 03:21 PM |
#28 |
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There's no comparison |
lamprey |
Aug-29-08 03:33 PM |
#39 |
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Palin's daughter is not a public figure either |
B2G |
Aug-29-08 03:36 PM |
#40 |
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The RUMOR is that PALIN LIED REPEATEDLY about being pregnant. |
lamprey |
Aug-29-08 03:49 PM |
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BECAUSE THE RUMOR BEING CIRCULATED STATES |
B2G |
Aug-29-08 03:57 PM |
#56 |
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If there is no comparison, then why did you make it? |
moriah |
Aug-30-08 06:53 AM |
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It's not just the internet she needs to be concerned about... |
Kristi1696 |
Aug-29-08 03:22 PM |
#29 |
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The rumors have apparently been floating around their capital. |
Chloroplast |
Aug-29-08 03:23 PM |
#30 |
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I haven't been able to find any evidence online that those rumors existed before a couple of days |
highplainsdem |
Aug-30-08 10:15 AM |
#111 |
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I'm sure you actually searched and somehow missed this posting from 4 months ago. |
Chloroplast |
Aug-30-08 10:38 AM |
#116 |
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No, I hadn't seen that. Is that it? There were supposedly lots of rumors, and that was it? |
highplainsdem |
Aug-30-08 11:11 AM |
#128 |
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"Palin is a big girl" |
themartyred |
Aug-29-08 03:49 PM |
#52 |
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Welcome to the NFL. |
Political Heretic |
Aug-30-08 06:32 AM |
#90 |
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My thoughts exactly n/t |
onefreespiritedchick |
Aug-30-08 10:48 AM |
#121 |
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If they took her out of school while her mother was pregnant |
rebel with a cause |
Aug-30-08 08:44 PM |
#189 |
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This isn't about the daughter |
Connonym |
Aug-31-08 07:29 AM |
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Yeah, and IF Barack was born in [insert other country], then he's not qualified ... |
Tesibria |
Aug-29-08 03:40 PM |
#45 |
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You mean like Panama? |
poiuytsister |
Aug-30-08 04:41 PM |
#146 |
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I'm very lucky |
libodem |
Aug-29-08 03:14 PM |
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The sexist shitstorm started when Hillary got in the race. This is just another ugly turn. |
chimpymustgo |
Aug-30-08 07:14 AM |
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just take a timeout for a few days, they will get it out of their system |
LSK |
Aug-29-08 03:15 PM |
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Good advice, LSK. |
lamp_shade |
Aug-29-08 03:43 PM |
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Awww but the "we're so superior" back-patting posts are so FUN! |
redqueen |
Aug-29-08 04:12 PM |
#66 |
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Great way to dodge the issues of the original post |
musicblind |
Aug-29-08 04:16 PM |
#69 |
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The message is bankrupt. |
redqueen |
Aug-29-08 04:24 PM |
#70 |
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Let them get the sexism out of their system? |
Balderdash |
Aug-30-08 05:46 PM |
#164 |
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You shoulda seen what they did during the primaries. |
Beausoir |
Aug-29-08 03:16 PM |
#16 |
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what policies? |
PolNewf |
Aug-29-08 03:51 PM |
#53 |
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Want an omelette you need to be prepared to break some eggs |
harun |
Aug-29-08 03:16 PM |
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If one of those eggs is called integrity, and you break it, it won't be there anymore. |
spoony |
Aug-29-08 04:08 PM |
#60 |
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I hear you. |
boloboffin |
Aug-29-08 03:18 PM |
#20 |
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The power of stupid has been strong here today. I think people are giddy |
onenote |
Aug-29-08 03:19 PM |
#21 |
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2 words....big tent....that includes idiots and scholars |
spanone |
Aug-29-08 03:19 PM |
#22 |
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Welcome to DU!! |
MercutioATC |
Aug-29-08 03:19 PM |
#23 |
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Thanks for the warm welcome |
B2G |
Aug-29-08 03:25 PM |
#34 |
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Your problem can easily be remedied. |
11 Bravo |
Aug-29-08 03:19 PM |
#24 |
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Then leave |
timber84 |
Aug-29-08 03:24 PM |
#31 |
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Thanks for your post. K and R. I want the dems to win also--BUT NOT THIS WAY. |
glancingthefuture |
Aug-29-08 03:25 PM |
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I have two sons whom I don't wish to see fed into a meat grinder ... |
11 Bravo |
Aug-29-08 03:36 PM |
#42 |
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I am |
glancingthefuture |
Aug-30-08 09:57 AM |
#105 |
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If you expect everyone in ANY group to conform to your personal standards... |
NYC_SKP |
Aug-29-08 03:25 PM |
#33 |
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Expecgting a group to perform to my standards |
B2G |
Aug-29-08 03:30 PM |
#38 |
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For that I commend you. I just hope you don't leave DU!! |
NYC_SKP |
Aug-29-08 03:44 PM |
#49 |
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but don't let the comments of a few make you throw a blanket statement against the whole of DU |
themartyred |
Aug-29-08 03:53 PM |
#54 |
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Two years aint that long...just sayin' n/t |
greguganus |
Aug-29-08 03:26 PM |
#35 |
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Hang in there |
goodgd_yall |
Aug-29-08 03:28 PM |
#36 |
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Don't judge all DU members by the childish actions of an uninformed few |
slay |
Aug-29-08 03:38 PM |
#43 |
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You DO belong. You make the difference |
Tesibria |
Aug-29-08 03:39 PM |
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Thank you Tes |
B2G |
Aug-29-08 03:41 PM |
#46 |
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I understand. |
qwlauren35 |
Aug-29-08 03:43 PM |
#47 |
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have you read very thoroughly when you've been here? Because |
Bluerthanblue |
Aug-29-08 03:44 PM |
#50 |
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"I don't belong here anymore" |
themartyred |
Aug-29-08 03:47 PM |
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I agree with you |
GoPsUx |
Aug-29-08 03:55 PM |
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Well, I am a stay at home Mom Democrat who has a right to an opinion. |
beachmom |
Aug-29-08 03:59 PM |
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I heard the same thought expressed by two different women yesterday. |
LibDemAlways |
Aug-30-08 10:48 AM |
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Aug-29-08 04:04 PM |
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Ayup. nm |
dicksteele |
Aug-29-08 04:10 PM |
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Bye. You have been here for a little over two years |
joeprogressive |
Aug-29-08 04:07 PM |
#59 |
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I have a theory... |
OHDEM |
Aug-29-08 04:09 PM |
#61 |
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I think you're wrong to leave |
mokawanis |
Aug-29-08 04:09 PM |
#62 |
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The idea that someone is immune to criticism because the person is a woman... |
BlooInBloo |
Aug-29-08 04:09 PM |
#63 |
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Then attack her policies not her womanhood |
Balderdash |
Aug-30-08 06:01 PM |
#167 |
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Fucking ridiculous. |
redqueen |
Aug-29-08 04:10 PM |
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. |
Midlodemocrat |
Aug-30-08 10:47 AM |
#119 |
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Agree. Some bozo posted about her stupidity for having a child at age 44. |
Clear Blue Sky |
Aug-29-08 04:16 PM |
#68 |
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*YAWN* Nice hyperbolic hand-wringing. Most of DU is abuzz about A WOMAN not "women" |
TheDonkey |
Aug-29-08 05:40 PM |
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She didn't HAVE to appear half dressed on a magazine cover. |
JenniferZ |
Aug-29-08 05:47 PM |
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They are the same people |
Gilligan |
Aug-29-08 05:51 PM |
#74 |
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Careful....you might use up this months ration of righteous indignation. |
Raster |
Aug-29-08 07:27 PM |
#75 |
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I could fucking care less about your whining (n/t) |
mitchum |
Aug-30-08 01:14 AM |
#77 |
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I'm sure it's been asked but I'm sure you were equally ashamed |
cat_girl25 |
Aug-30-08 01:18 AM |
#78 |
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Well, you can do what you want to us, |
DefenseLawyer |
Aug-30-08 01:23 AM |
#79 |
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In other words, you're very judgmental and you draw bad conclusions. |
TexasObserver |
Aug-30-08 01:31 AM |
#80 |
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Have you done this on Reich-wing boards where women are no better than cattle? |
DainBramaged |
Aug-30-08 01:36 AM |
#81 |
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Love some of these responses. |
pecwae |
Aug-30-08 06:00 AM |
#82 |
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Posters need to be reminded that critcisms frequently rely on types of bias to amplify their power |
CreekDog |
Aug-30-08 06:11 AM |
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I see a little more calm here this morning. Some of yesterday's posts were |
lamp_shade |
Aug-30-08 06:16 AM |
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If Palin is a liar, even if it was about her daughter |
TheKentuckian |
Aug-30-08 06:28 AM |
#87 |
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Please see post 94. I really don't want to have to type that again. |
moriah |
Aug-30-08 07:03 AM |
#98 |
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Sorry. No sympathy here. Time for the gloves to come off. The REPUKES never put them on! |
1Hippiechick |
Aug-30-08 06:20 AM |
#85 |
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that was yesterday; feel better now? |
npincus |
Aug-30-08 06:28 AM |
#88 |
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Welcome to the NFL. |
Political Heretic |
Aug-30-08 06:33 AM |
#91 |
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I am not ashamed i am validated. |
LibFromWV |
Aug-30-08 06:34 AM |
#92 |
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I Wish You'd Taken the Time To Speak Up When Hillary Clinton Was the Target |
Crisco |
Aug-30-08 06:44 AM |
#93 |
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Palin is the opponent. Don't forget about that. |
Katzenkavalier |
Aug-30-08 06:54 AM |
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I agree... |
Feminists4Theocracy |
Aug-30-08 07:01 AM |
#97 |
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We sometimes forget "the sisterhood of the travelling voter". |
DailyGrind51 |
Aug-30-08 07:17 AM |
#101 |
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In a society there are an abundance of people some of the good some bad-> |
barack the house |
Aug-30-08 07:36 AM |
#102 |
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Truman " I don't give them hell, I just tell the truth and they will think it's hell"-> |
barack the house |
Aug-30-08 07:45 AM |
#103 |
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DU has changed |
Evergreen Emerald |
Aug-30-08 09:03 AM |
#104 |
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McCain picks a RW Fundamentalist Nut Job as his VP |
Jake3463 |
Aug-30-08 10:00 AM |
#109 |
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No. I want to talk about what a fundi nut job she is |
Evergreen Emerald |
Aug-30-08 11:38 AM |
#129 |
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Shame. Now what is that? |
TexasObserver |
Aug-30-08 09:59 AM |
#106 |
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Get a fucking helmet. |
Jake3463 |
Aug-30-08 09:59 AM |
#107 |
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What posts are you referring to? I haven't seen nary a post saying such things...except yours. nt |
indie_ana_500 |
Aug-30-08 09:59 AM |
#108 |
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She was also compared to a stripper |
Martinucho |
Aug-30-08 10:01 AM |
#110 |
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Concerned? Well, bridges are difficult to keep over one's head. |
Malikshah |
Aug-30-08 10:17 AM |
#112 |
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I agree completely. This is what I posted in a similar thread a few moments ago: |
RinaX |
Aug-30-08 10:21 AM |
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aw ... I hate it when people get "sad" from reading DU |
TexasObserver |
Aug-30-08 10:42 AM |
#117 |
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My head's on right, thanks |
RinaX |
Aug-30-08 10:46 AM |
#118 |
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well, then keep your crying towel handy, you'll need it |
TexasObserver |
Aug-30-08 10:50 AM |
#123 |
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And now |
liberalpress |
Aug-30-08 05:14 PM |
#150 |
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"We have become the thing we despise" |
Snarkturian Clone |
Aug-30-08 05:46 PM |
#165 |
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It's a legitimate issue, and |
TexasObserver |
Aug-30-08 07:42 PM |
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The poster having proved my point, the defense rests. |
liberalpress |
Aug-31-08 11:50 AM |
#200 |
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I think the uninformed and |
Balderdash |
Aug-30-08 06:13 PM |
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Aug-30-08 10:25 AM |
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Where are these posts? |
Quixote1818 |
Aug-30-08 10:27 AM |
#115 |
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That is exactly what happened to a thread of mine |
peacetrain |
Aug-30-08 10:58 AM |
#127 |
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As upset as we all are about this pick... |
onefreespiritedchick |
Aug-30-08 10:54 AM |
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You're very brave for making a post like this here. |
AmyCamus |
Aug-30-08 10:56 AM |
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Aug-30-08 02:11 PM |
#135 |
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Fine, challenge her credentials in a classy way |
dailykoff |
Aug-30-08 11:53 AM |
#131 |
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As odd as it seems, |
Jakes Progress |
Aug-30-08 01:36 PM |
#133 |
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You sure get sick/ashamed of DU alot ...... |
doublethink |
Aug-30-08 02:13 PM |
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Nice catch! |
mitchum |
Aug-30-08 02:33 PM |
#137 |
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Thanks! n,.t. |
doublethink |
Aug-30-08 08:32 PM |
#187 |
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Heheh |
L0oniX |
Aug-30-08 03:19 PM |
#142 |
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"Heartsick" over Reverend Wright eh.. |
dailykoff |
Aug-30-08 04:40 PM |
#145 |
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aw, that makes me sick, her getting all sick and ary thing |
TexasObserver |
Aug-30-08 04:43 PM |
#147 |
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Look at the dates of my posts |
B2G |
Aug-30-08 05:25 PM |
#153 |
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And it you think |
B2G |
Aug-30-08 05:35 PM |
#158 |
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Uhhhhhhh don't think so ....... the charges of sexism/racism have .... |
doublethink |
Aug-30-08 06:06 PM |
#169 |
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I have posted my views quite publicly |
B2G |
Aug-30-08 06:14 PM |
#172 |
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So do you believe Regan saved us out of the Carter Economic years too? |
doublethink |
Aug-30-08 06:30 PM |
#173 |
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I'm "heartsick" that the OP is a concern troll. LOL n/t |
progressivebydesign |
Aug-30-08 05:40 PM |
#161 |
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Don't blame DU - blame Palin... she didn't have to say yes to Mccain |
Imagevision |
Aug-30-08 02:37 PM |
#138 |
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That's some passive-aggressive brow-beating you got going on there, mam. |
AtomicKitten |
Aug-30-08 02:39 PM |
#139 |
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I haven't seen any threads where anybody has been |
Jazzgirl |
Aug-30-08 03:15 PM |
#141 |
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A Sad Sign of the Times, my friend... |
SidneyCarton |
Aug-30-08 04:37 PM |
#144 |
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If you have a problem with people's posts... |
michele77 |
Aug-30-08 04:55 PM |
#148 |
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Well, the adults are fair game. I haven't seen her children being attacked - though it wouldn't |
apocalypsehow |
Aug-30-08 05:17 PM |
#151 |
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Hi puma. |
BlooInBloo |
Aug-30-08 05:18 PM |
#152 |
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Hi asshat |
B2G |
Aug-30-08 05:26 PM |
#154 |
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Politics is a contact sport. |
Major Hogwash |
Aug-30-08 05:29 PM |
#155 |
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this does happen, unfortunately. If it's one of 'our women' - a dem |
madura |
Aug-30-08 05:33 PM |
#156 |
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then you're far too delicate for politics. We're discussing things here... |
progressivebydesign |
Aug-30-08 05:36 PM |
#159 |
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Thank you for your "concern" |
GoneOffShore |
Aug-30-08 05:41 PM |
#163 |
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I'm with you on this. NT |
Snarkturian Clone |
Aug-30-08 05:49 PM |
#166 |
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And since I'm being bashed by so many here |
B2G |
Aug-30-08 06:02 PM |
#168 |
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Here is PRECISELY your problem, and I quote: |
Bonobo |
Aug-30-08 07:06 PM |
#180 |
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I'm with you B2G |
Nikki Stone1 |
Aug-30-08 06:07 PM |
#170 |
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LET IT SINK!! |
greguganus |
Aug-30-08 06:31 PM |
#174 |
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When Quayle was nominated for the same job with the same party, |
Old Crusoe |
Aug-30-08 06:40 PM |
#175 |
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What is wrong with some of you |
Balderdash |
Aug-30-08 06:43 PM |
#176 |
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The OP does a poor job of making any distinctions, IMO. |
Old Crusoe |
Aug-30-08 06:46 PM |
#177 |
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If any DUer called a woman |
Balderdash |
Aug-30-08 07:02 PM |
#178 |
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Yes, the deaf and blind are well represented on this thread. |
kiva |
Aug-30-08 07:06 PM |
#179 |
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The tone of the OP's scolding is that such diction occurs with |
Old Crusoe |
Aug-30-08 07:07 PM |
#181 |
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I tell you what gets old, people who trash everyone like DU is some monolithic group or something. |
IsItJustMe |
Aug-30-08 07:16 PM |
#182 |
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When most of us go into a public restroom stall are there not |
Old Crusoe |
Aug-30-08 07:42 PM |
#183 |
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You do realize that you've now compared DU to a bathroom... |
Balderdash |
Aug-31-08 07:47 AM |
#196 |
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Incorrect. |
Old Crusoe |
Aug-31-08 08:12 AM |
#197 |
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Sexism is of course the issue |
Balderdash |
Aug-31-08 08:20 AM |
#198 |
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Hear, hear. |
Ellen Forradalom |
Aug-30-08 07:43 PM |
#185 |
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I've been here more than twice as long and |
Raine |
Aug-30-08 07:51 PM |
#186 |
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I am proud |
californiachill |
Aug-31-08 06:59 AM |
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Aug-31-08 07:01 AM |
#193 |
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Women have been hearing "STFU" from your type for too long. |
AmyCamus |
Aug-31-08 08:47 AM |
#199 |