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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 05:45 PM
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Ladies and Gentlemen, may I have the floor?
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At the request of the darling DUer redqueen, I'm starting my own thread on this, which originated here...

What we are witnessing today at the Democratic National Convention, not inside the hall mind you, but on the streets, covered dutifully by our Awesome Liberal Sideshow Carnival Media, is nothing more, nothing less than an Epic, Orchestrated, Classic GOP Ratfuck. It really doesn't have a rip to do with the Clintons; the GOP is just betting you'll think it does. And they're really, really hoping the media will portray it that way, so that the intent is reached: Making Barack Obama a bit player at his very own Democratic National Convention.

As uncomfortable as it's making some of us, we probably should have seen it coming.

It's always important to remind ourselves that Republicans aren't interested in governing this nation. They're not interested in ideas, or policy. They certainly don't want us to move forward; keeping us in the 1950s (or heck, even the 1980s) would be the cat's meow to them. They are playing a Shirts-vs-Skins pick-up game; their only interest is winning, and they will, without shame, disrupt and cause chaos to achieve their only goal. In fact, sometimes chaos is their goal; it's the hallmark of the Neocons, after all. We've been paying attention the last eight years, right?

There's an entire generation that has never heard of GOP "ratfucking." I'm too young to have heard of it myself, but a few months back when I suspected the GOP was behind the Hillary schism, I did some research on "ratfucking." Pardon the language, but there's just no other term for it. Heck it even has its own Wiki!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ratfucking

Be sure to read further by clicking on the names of the classic Watergate players... Segretti, Chapin, Buchanan, et al... and (with all apologies to any DUers who went to USC!) the University of Southern California was the ratfucking epicenter. It's a good history lesson, especially at a moment where you can actually turn on your television and watch history repeat itself, right here, right now.

That's what we're watching right now, and smart, mature, rational political scientists and observers in the media like Chuck Todd and Mike Barnicle know exactly what they're witnessing. They haven't used the word they want to, because they're on live TV. But they're using their own words to tell us what this is.

The best examples that this is a coordinated effort? The multiple McCain ads touting Hillary getting "disssed" by Obama. Bill Kristol's wretched Op/Ed on this very topic (Bill Kristol feels sorry for Hillary? Really?). Ron Fournier's AP hit piece Op/Ed that came out right after Biden was announced. Rush Limbaugh, et al, building up steam for the "Hillary was DISSED!" meme. The clowns that just appeared on Hardball, claiming to be Hillary supporters, screaming that he went to a madrassa and they have PROOF, proof, I tell you, but they won't show it to anyone. It's as if this thing went out in a Rovian Blast Fax Score to every major player, and now we're watching some kind of twisted concert.

If you come away with one thing, let it be this... the people "rioting" on your television are not Clinton supporters, and they are not Democrats. This is nothing more than a larger-scale, better-coordinated "Brooks Brothers Riot." They've had eight years to practice their song, after all.

They think we're suckers. Don't you guys get it? Of course you do.

(PS: It would be wonderful if some of our DUers who remember the turbulent late 60's would provide more education to the rest of us on the origin of "ratfucking" at the 1968 and 1972 Democratic National Conventions; I'd certainly love to hear the stories.)
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  -Ladies and Gentlemen, may I have the floor? VolcanoJen  Aug-25-08 05:45 PM   #0 
  - Very well said.  azmouse   Aug-25-08 05:46 PM   #1 
  - "an Epic, Orchestrated, Classic GOP Ratfuck."  NYC_SKP   Aug-25-08 05:47 PM   #2 
  - And it will work...  phantom power   Aug-25-08 05:47 PM   #3 
  - It can't work if the Dems there make it really obvious it's not true.  redqueen   Aug-25-08 05:52 PM   #11 
     - The point of this thread? NOT THIS TIME.  VolcanoJen   Aug-25-08 05:55 PM   #12 
     - Glad to hear it!  redqueen   Aug-26-08 09:11 AM   #86 
     - Perhaps. As I see it, the challenge is...  phantom power   Aug-25-08 05:57 PM   #14 
     - Well, I wouldn't count KO and Rachel Maddow out, and remember....  VolcanoJen   Aug-25-08 06:03 PM   #17 
        - I hear KO is aquitting himself well already.  phantom power   Aug-25-08 06:31 PM   #32 
        - And your certainly on the money.  go west young man   Aug-26-08 11:14 AM   #96 
     - Every one of the Dem spokespeople who gets a microphone shoved in their face...  DCKit   Aug-26-08 02:29 PM   #121 
  - Hear fucking hear!  redqueen   Aug-25-08 05:48 PM   #4 
  - Donald Segretti would be so proud. - n/t  lapfog_1   Aug-25-08 05:48 PM   #5 
  - K&R!  Xipe Totec   Aug-25-08 05:50 PM   #6 
  - K&R  knixphan   Aug-25-08 05:51 PM   #7 
  - K&R! Spread the word!!!  tblue   Aug-25-08 05:51 PM   #8 
  - Kick. Recommend. Read this.  The Traveler   Aug-25-08 05:51 PM   #9 
  - Losing this election = having it stolen.  NYC_SKP   Aug-25-08 05:52 PM   #10 
  - Right, and there comes a time where you have to hit the bully back.  VolcanoJen   Aug-25-08 05:56 PM   #13 
  - remember 2006.  ginnyinWI   Aug-26-08 11:53 AM   #102 
  - Sure it will be stolen from us.  howmad1   Aug-26-08 04:27 PM   #129 
  - K & R.  Notorious Bohemian   Aug-25-08 06:00 PM   #15 
  - kick. highly recommended.  poli speak   Aug-25-08 06:03 PM   #16 
  - K & R  Arkansas Granny   Aug-25-08 06:04 PM   #18 
  - The only way we can win is to fear the Republicans  ProSense   Aug-25-08 06:05 PM   #19 
  - I prefer...  VolcanoJen   Aug-25-08 06:09 PM   #20 
  - Kickin' my own thread... Chuck Todd is kinda making my point on MSNBC right now.  VolcanoJen   Aug-25-08 06:13 PM   #21 
  - Good point... those people aren't disruptors...  redqueen   Aug-26-08 09:14 AM   #87 
  - K&R  mvd   Aug-25-08 06:13 PM   #22 
  - Why, thank you, darlin'!  VolcanoJen   Aug-25-08 06:17 PM   #23 
     - You're welcome!  mvd   Aug-25-08 06:25 PM   #27 
  - So where are the cops? ...,  guruoo   Aug-25-08 06:19 PM   #24 
  - I'm thinking about it...  VolcanoJen   Aug-25-08 06:26 PM   #30 
     - dingdingding!  guruoo   Aug-25-08 06:34 PM   #33 
     - Dammit!  VolcanoJen   Aug-25-08 06:41 PM   #37 
        - Sorry,  guruoo   Aug-25-08 06:58 PM   #42 
     - That's why I don't like Code Pink there...  EC   Aug-25-08 06:56 PM   #41 
        - When I was in DC at the Iraq War Protest last September...  VolcanoJen   Aug-25-08 06:58 PM   #43 
           - That's because he was more than likely someone who could be  EC   Aug-25-08 07:03 PM   #45 
           - Either that, or....  VolcanoJen   Aug-25-08 07:06 PM   #46 
           - I was there too!  Marrah_G   Aug-26-08 04:32 PM   #130 
  - Amen Jen!!!!  BlueIdaho   Aug-25-08 06:21 PM   #25 
  - The thing about the sixties is they used law enforcement to  EC   Aug-25-08 06:24 PM   #26 
  - Oh, please tell more!  VolcanoJen   Aug-25-08 06:29 PM   #31 
     - Mayor Daily sure didn't help much...  EC   Aug-25-08 06:41 PM   #36 
        - Excellent post.  VolcanoJen   Aug-25-08 06:44 PM   #39 
  - K&R  me b zola   Aug-25-08 06:25 PM   #28 
  - K&R.nt  nam78_two   Aug-25-08 06:25 PM   #29 
  - Tweety called it agitprop  FatDave   Aug-25-08 06:36 PM   #34 
  - Agitprop = ratfucking  VolcanoJen   Aug-25-08 06:40 PM   #35 
  - Wait a second... Tweety is thwarting a GOP narrative?  phantom power   Aug-25-08 06:43 PM   #38 
  - Tweety's been on our side since the 7-10 houses thing broke.  FatDave   Aug-25-08 06:46 PM   #40 
     - OK. I'll roll with that.  phantom power   Aug-25-08 07:00 PM   #44 
     - Tweety has a man crush on Obama.  yardwork   Aug-26-08 02:04 PM   #118 
  - Agitprop.  WIllo   Aug-25-08 08:04 PM   #49 
     - So which term do you prefer?  VolcanoJen   Aug-25-08 08:22 PM   #52 
        - I like them both. And, yes I'd say they are the same.  WIllo   Aug-25-08 09:08 PM   #58 
  - K&R  ZombyWoof   Aug-25-08 07:34 PM   #47 
  - Well, hello there!!!!  VolcanoJen   Aug-25-08 08:19 PM   #50 
     - Woohoo!  ZombyWoof   Aug-25-08 08:22 PM   #51 
        - Oh, good, I'm glad you're joyless!  VolcanoJen   Aug-25-08 08:46 PM   #53 
  - Kick Recommend  Life Long Dem   Aug-25-08 07:58 PM   #48 
  - The GOP is scheming and plotting to destroy us.  Olney Blue   Aug-25-08 08:53 PM   #54 
  - Watch cspan. No talking heads, no commercials  MiniMe   Aug-25-08 09:01 PM   #55 
  - But of course. However, not seeing ratfucking doesn't mean it doesn't exist.  VolcanoJen   Aug-25-08 09:02 PM   #56 
  - Thank you!  Marrah_G   Aug-25-08 09:04 PM   #57 
  - My pleasure  VolcanoJen   Aug-25-08 09:08 PM   #59 
  - Seen It, Heard & Felt It For FAR TOO MANY Years... Me? I'm SICK Of  ChiciB1   Aug-26-08 10:14 AM   #92 
     - yeah but hundreds of people just read your post and learned something that we didn't know  CreekDog   Aug-27-08 03:43 AM   #136 
  - Hey hey VolcanoJen! Thanks for breaking this, it's as REAL as Sin..  symbolman   Aug-25-08 09:25 PM   #60 
  - Well, hi you!!!!  VolcanoJen   Aug-25-08 11:30 PM   #63 
     - Glad to see you too, gorshk!  symbolman   Aug-26-08 02:52 AM   #67 
  - Jen, I PROUDLY K&R this.  AngryOldDem   Aug-25-08 09:49 PM   #61 
  - Well, hello darlin'!  VolcanoJen   Aug-26-08 01:16 AM   #65 
     - What's more, I'm sending it out to those who don't read DU often.  AngryOldDem   Aug-26-08 08:55 AM   #83 
  - Excellent post!!! Contains nothing but truth.  BrklynLiberal   Aug-25-08 11:01 PM   #62 
  - As an aside, isn't it funny the way the Wiki "ratfucking" entry refers to a guy named JOHN MCCONE?  VolcanoJen   Aug-25-08 11:40 PM   #64 
  - The GOOPers rat fucking is not new...been at it for years...but the level and  opihimoimoi   Aug-26-08 01:26 AM   #66 
  - GOP sleazy tactics make me long for the days when we were chillin' at the fish pond.  oasis   Aug-27-08 03:51 AM   #137 
  - K&R n/t  caseycoon   Aug-26-08 06:54 AM   #68 
  - K&R  mrone2   Aug-26-08 07:01 AM   #69 
  - There's no doubt about it  jumptheshadow   Aug-26-08 07:03 AM   #70 
  - Ack  jumptheshadow   Aug-26-08 08:41 AM   #82 
  - Unfortunately this is so true  socialdemocrat1981   Aug-26-08 07:16 AM   #71 
  - Recommended!  Cooley Hurd   Aug-26-08 07:17 AM   #72 
  - Here's some info on Christi Atkins (one of the "Just Say No Deal Coalition" women):  Cooley Hurd   Aug-26-08 07:44 AM   #76 
  - Cristi "Fatloss Forever" Adkins  VolcanoJen   Aug-26-08 12:47 PM   #109 
     - Thanks for the extra info, Jen...  Cooley Hurd   Aug-26-08 01:09 PM   #114 
  - Either Obama is a Muslim, or he was a follower of Reverend Wright. They can't have it both ways...  Rhiannon12866   Aug-26-08 01:51 PM   #116 
     - She was a pip, wasn't she?  Cooley Hurd   Aug-26-08 02:13 PM   #120 
        - The crazies are coming out of the woodwork, yet again...  Rhiannon12866   Aug-26-08 03:06 PM   #124 
           - Tweety's looking for conflict because conflict=ratings...  Cooley Hurd   Aug-26-08 05:57 PM   #131 
              - Of course he is, but his method pisses the rest of us off, while KO manages to  Rhiannon12866   Aug-26-08 06:30 PM   #132 
  - And the KING RAT KKKROVE  Historic NY   Aug-26-08 07:25 AM   #73 
  - K&R  cabbage08   Aug-26-08 07:33 AM   #74 
  - I've been saying this for months, and was attacked and shouted down -- you're right  LostinVA   Aug-26-08 07:38 AM   #75 
  - You couldn't be more right.  whrab   Aug-26-08 07:54 AM   #77 
  - K and R  OwnedByFerrets   Aug-26-08 08:01 AM   #78 
  - K&R!  Jesuswasntafascist   Aug-26-08 08:21 AM   #79 
  - K&R  cricket08   Aug-26-08 08:36 AM   #80 
  - Nicely said, now what can be done about it?  apnu   Aug-26-08 08:37 AM   #81 
  - What a smart kid I have! n/t  Kukesa   Aug-26-08 09:03 AM   #84 
  - Good article, but  Malidictus Maximus   Aug-26-08 09:05 AM   #85 
  - K&R. It's all GOPMedia, All the Time.  sourmilk   Aug-26-08 09:18 AM   #88 
  - K&R  Iwillnevergiveup   Aug-26-08 09:36 AM   #89 
  - Yes, even foreign media takes the bait  mogster   Aug-26-08 09:58 AM   #90 
  - "Police good, demonstrators bad"  Kukesa   Aug-26-08 10:09 AM   #91 
     - Yep, they still don't get it  mogster   Aug-26-08 10:24 AM   #93 
     - I'm doing my best here in Ohio, Mr. Norway! n/t  Kukesa   Aug-26-08 10:27 AM   #94 
     - (((((( Kukesa ))))))  VolcanoJen   Aug-26-08 12:58 PM   #112 
  - Watching CNN yesterday after I got home and they started  Sentinel Chicken   Aug-26-08 10:47 AM   #95 
  - Sorry I missed that  VolcanoJen   Aug-26-08 12:41 PM   #108 
  - Thanks Jen for adding the proper term to my lexicon!  mod mom   Aug-26-08 11:15 AM   #97 
  - KnR with a heavy heart. We knew that the Reich Wing wouldn't go peaceably. nt  Hekate   Aug-26-08 11:23 AM   #98 
  - Thanks Jen. Well said. K&R n/t  myrna minx   Aug-26-08 11:28 AM   #99 
  - K&R  gemdem   Aug-26-08 11:39 AM   #100 
  - Good to know you're still enjoying DU, gemdem! n/t  Kukesa   Aug-26-08 11:41 AM   #101 
  - Fascinating. I'm a trojan but I never knew this originated at USC.  ContinentalOp   Aug-26-08 11:58 AM   #103 
  - UPDATE: This post over at RumpRoast proves my point.  VolcanoJen   Aug-26-08 12:24 PM   #104 
  - Jen, as usual--you are so on top of things...  TwoSparkles   Aug-26-08 12:30 PM   #105 
  - There's a great blog that's been all over these PUMA Republicans  VolcanoJen   Aug-26-08 12:38 PM   #107 
     - That is a great and very funny site  FKA MNChimpH8R   Aug-26-08 03:39 PM   #128 
  - That is so weird!  OHDEM   Aug-26-08 12:34 PM   #106 
  - I am not so sure that everyone is involved  listener_   Aug-26-08 12:54 PM   #110 
  - Welcome to DU  VolcanoJen   Aug-26-08 12:57 PM   #111 
  - Its pathetic and disgusting. Sad thing is, is that a majority of Americans can think for themselves  Danieljay   Aug-26-08 01:05 PM   #113 
  - Out of curiousity... does anyone know a Democrat who drives a Hummer?  VolcanoJen   Aug-26-08 01:10 PM   #115 
  - k&r  yardwork   Aug-26-08 02:01 PM   #117 
  - K&R  TexasObserver   Aug-26-08 02:05 PM   #119 
  - I have now noted this several times...  SidneyCarton   Aug-26-08 02:35 PM   #122 
  - read  barbtries   Aug-26-08 02:46 PM   #123 
  - That's what Segretti ADMITTED to...  Cooley Hurd   Aug-26-08 03:13 PM   #125 
  - Just a bit... yes.  redqueen   Aug-26-08 03:28 PM   #126 
  - Sending pizzas isn't ratfucking  VolcanoJen   Aug-26-08 07:27 PM   #133 
  - Pugs Using Masquerade Attack Strategy, PUMAS ( NEO-CONGS)  chknltl   Aug-26-08 03:34 PM   #127 
  - Precisely  VolcanoJen   Aug-27-08 03:16 AM   #134 
  - Jen, you performed a great service with this thread  FKA MNChimpH8R   Aug-27-08 03:34 AM   #135 
 

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