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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 11:32 AM
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10. One more thought re: the idea of life beginning at separation
I wrote: "Medical technology complicates the definition of birth as physical separation from the mother..."

In our age of miracles we can now lift a three or four month fetus from the uterus, perform surgery and pop it back in to be carried to term. (Most procedures would be performed without lifting the fetus out of the womb, but some require being able to move the fetus around.)

When was that baby born? The early surgery included a Cesarean section delivery as part of the procedure, so it was it born, then unborn, then born latter on?

Was it briefly a person, then not a person, then a person again? Or was its proximity to the uterus not definitive of person-hood?

And, to anticipate one possible out, if anyone wants to say life begins when the umbilical cord it cut then we are really in some deep, deep water! (Though it's really not less arbitrary than other measures it conjures the bizarre image of a full-term, naturally born, healthy, crying newborn who isn't a person yet... 'snip' there you go.)

It's all tough. If life begins at conception then identical twins have only one soul between them! Try that on for size. (Unlike fraternal twins, Identical twins are conceived as one embryo or zygote or whatever the term is for the very first splits of a fertilized ovum. There's only one ovum involved. They divide into twins a while after conception.)
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  -The Obama "infanticide" smear wouldn't trouble me even if it were true. Kurt_and_Hunter  Aug-21-08 09:31 AM   #0 
  - K. To reread later. Interesting analysis. nt  PaulHo   Aug-21-08 09:47 AM   #1 
  - The definitive factor in Roe is biological viability upon separation.  sharesunited   Aug-21-08 10:09 AM   #2 
  - Quite true. I forgot to add this thought experiment in the OP > > >  Kurt_and_Hunter   Aug-21-08 10:13 AM   #4 
  - "how incapable most people are of rational thought on the subject of choice" is so true.  TooBigaTent   Aug-21-08 10:09 AM   #3 
  - You can't really fault people for being sentimental about babies.  sharesunited   Aug-21-08 10:21 AM   #5 
     - A smear of cells is not a baby. A gestated-for-nine-month fetus is closer. nt  TooBigaTent   Aug-21-08 10:42 AM   #6 
     - Liking babies is indeed programmed into our DNA.  Kurt_and_Hunter   Aug-21-08 10:55 AM   #9 
  - it is garbage  bcoylepa   Aug-21-08 10:44 AM   #7 
  - To paraphrase Audie Murphy...  Iggo   Aug-21-08 10:50 AM   #8 
  - One more thought re: the idea of life beginning at separation  Kurt_and_Hunter   Aug-21-08 11:32 AM   #10 
  - Is it really a MORAL question?  pajamamama   Aug-21-08 12:13 PM   #11 
  - When does a zygote become "human" in your opinion?  redqueen   Aug-21-08 12:19 PM   #13 
  - I wasn't arguing it as a moral question, but noting that no moral question raised would change  Kurt_and_Hunter   Aug-21-08 12:49 PM   #16 
  - Progressivism has involved a steady expansion of rights, however...  Kurt_and_Hunter   Aug-21-08 01:29 PM   #18 
  - K&R  Paint It Black   Aug-21-08 12:17 PM   #12 
  - I hadn't even heard this smear...  redqueen   Aug-21-08 12:20 PM   #14 
     - It was made against him by Alan Keyes back in 2004  endthewar   Aug-21-08 12:40 PM   #15 
     - It's BS, but it's making another round  Kurt_and_Hunter   Aug-21-08 12:50 PM   #17 

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