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Heather MC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 06:33 AM
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10. I don't think it's sub-couscious, I think it's a very Conscious thing he is hoping to do
Did you see his latest interview in full.

When asked if he thought Obama was ready to be president. Instead of saying yes or Absolutely
he says
"You can argue that no one is truely ready to President"

Bill and Hillary are both still crying out her losing
and the are not being subtle at all.
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  -Why is Bill Clinton pushing his "I'm not a Racist" story the week after McCain's Race Card Claim? JackORoses  Aug-05-08 05:45 AM   #0 
  - I think Bill Clinton is lost in the wilderness.  Chipper Chat   Aug-05-08 05:48 AM   #1 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-05-08 06:43 AM   #16 
  - Intentional or not, it undermines Obama at a bad time.  cali   Aug-05-08 05:49 AM   #2 
  - it's like he's saying, "look, Obama did it to me, too"  JackORoses   Aug-05-08 05:59 AM   #5 
  - yes, that's exactly the message that's being sent.  cali   Aug-05-08 06:01 AM   #6 
     - No. What's disappointing is how a great American President was slandered and defiled - SWIFTBOATED  chimpymustgo   Aug-05-08 07:23 AM   #42 
        - we disagree. Obama's campaign was the one that was remarkably restrained  cali   Aug-05-08 07:39 AM   #51 
        - Clinton was swiftboated. He was called a racist and his  Evergreen Emerald   Aug-05-08 08:12 AM   #58 
        - No, he wasn't. He was called on his misconduct.  TexasObserver   Aug-05-08 08:33 AM   #63 
        - We will have to agree to disagree.  Evergreen Emerald   Aug-05-08 08:43 AM   #71 
           - This is about Bill's misconduct NOW.  TexasObserver   Aug-05-08 08:47 AM   #73 
              - I don't know  Evergreen Emerald   Aug-05-08 09:05 AM   #83 
                 - That's right, you don't.  TexasObserver   Aug-05-08 11:18 AM   #110 
                 - Sad  Evergreen Emerald   Aug-05-08 09:41 PM   #142 
                    - Sad  TexasObserver   Aug-06-08 12:01 AM   #151 
                       - Just responding in kind  Evergreen Emerald   Aug-06-08 05:59 AM   #172 
                 - AMEN.  TankLV   Aug-05-08 11:57 PM   #149 
                 - Not just the Clintons, but anyone who cares about this country, I expect them to help elect Obama  kdpeters   Aug-06-08 07:41 AM   #176 
                 - Well said. He played right into their hands.  beac   Aug-06-08 10:09 AM   #184 
                    - Actually he did say something like that, so his instincts were right. He just changed his mind.  kdpeters   Aug-06-08 01:02 PM   #203 
                 - Look! the media were the ones insinuating that..  butterfly77   Aug-06-08 01:03 PM   #204 
                    - It reminds me of the nebulous Judas-Bill Richardson line of Carville's  genna   Aug-07-08 07:45 AM   #220 
        - As to attacking his presidency,  karynnj   Aug-05-08 08:38 AM   #68 
        - When you gamble something you might lose it.  JVS   Aug-05-08 08:51 AM   #75 
        - You said it - and he likely never considered he could lose  karynnj   Aug-05-08 09:07 AM   #84 
        - This is something that many refuse to acknowledge  ellacott   Aug-05-08 09:15 AM   #88 
        - I agree. He was swiftboated, treated very unfairly, and has every right to be angry.  highplainsdem   Aug-05-08 08:51 AM   #76 
        - BEING angry is one thing.  beac   Aug-06-08 10:26 AM   #187 
        - Clinton was "SwiftBoated" ??!!!  bvar22   Aug-05-08 12:54 PM   #121 
        - Yep - only the obambots/clinton haters will never see it...  TankLV   Aug-05-08 11:56 PM   #148 
           - He made those stupid and racist comments. Whether or not he's a racist  Indenturedebtor   Aug-06-08 10:54 AM   #193 
           - Look! don't blame the people who support Obama...  butterfly77   Aug-06-08 01:05 PM   #206 
        - He was not swiftboated  karynnj   Aug-05-08 08:30 AM   #60 
        - Bill was called on his racist comments and other misconduct.  TexasObserver   Aug-05-08 08:48 AM   #74 
           - Care to post the actual quotes, with actual links?  LVjinx   Aug-06-08 12:36 AM   #159 
        - here we go with the bill clinton = sweet little baby jesus line again...  dionysus   Aug-05-08 08:42 AM   #70 
        - I'd hardly call him great.  IWantAnyDem   Aug-05-08 09:56 AM   #103 
        - Bill Clinton may not be a Racist, but he ws certainly acting like one in the Primaries  JackORoses   Aug-05-08 04:47 PM   #130 
        - It's not slander to point out his and his wife's lies and race-baiting.  Zhade   Aug-06-08 12:16 AM   #153 
        - Swift boated? Bill Clinton? Jesse Jackson won SC/I don't have to take that sh*t off him  genna   Aug-07-08 07:35 AM   #218 
           - Bill Clinton did it all to himself, with his big fat mouth.  TexasObserver   Aug-07-08 07:37 AM   #219 
  - No it doesnt  niceypoo   Aug-05-08 07:27 AM   #46 
     - Even within his response, the racist comment came out of the blue  karynnj   Aug-05-08 08:44 AM   #72 
        - Yup....  Me_Shell   Aug-05-08 10:45 AM   #104 
        - Seeing racism in everything is, in itself, racist  niceypoo   Aug-06-08 12:00 AM   #150 
  - Things that make you go hmmmm. nt  Kahuna   Aug-05-08 05:58 AM   #3 
  - because he's a self-involved and damaged person & I think he subconsciously he wants to hurt Barack  BklynChick   Aug-05-08 05:58 AM   #4 
  - Pretty much a nail on the head ...  Cosmocat   Aug-05-08 06:01 AM   #7 
  - I don't think it's sub-couscious, I think it's a very Conscious thing he is hoping to do  Heather MC   Aug-05-08 06:33 AM   #10 
  - I agree with you. He knows EXACTLY what he's doing. He was passive-aggressive in 2000 and 2004, too.  blm   Aug-06-08 12:01 PM   #197 
  - Nailed it!  TexasObserver   Aug-05-08 08:34 AM   #64 
  - he is probably tired of hearing the allegations from sites  DrDan   Aug-05-08 06:17 AM   #8 
  - Sorry, it's a truly legitimate issue.  cali   Aug-05-08 06:33 AM   #9 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-05-08 06:36 AM   #11 
  - tut. tut. tut. Go read the DU rules. Calling other posters "idiots" is  cali   Aug-05-08 06:55 AM   #19 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-05-08 07:06 AM   #24 
     - enjoy your stay here  cali   Aug-05-08 07:10 AM   #27 
        - I see you are still stuck in primary mode  niceypoo   Aug-05-08 07:36 AM   #48 
           - that's a ridiculous and patently untrue little bash, poo.  cali   Aug-05-08 07:44 AM   #52 
              - Your response proves me correct  niceypoo   Aug-06-08 12:04 AM   #152 
                 - You wish SO HARD it did, but from an outsider -- no, it doesn't.  Zhade   Aug-06-08 12:35 AM   #158 
  - "your candidate"?  lojasmo   Aug-05-08 07:05 AM   #23 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-05-08 07:14 AM   #32 
        - I believe the point was that Obama is YOUR candidate too.  JVS   Aug-05-08 07:16 AM   #34 
  - you are right about WLC reading comments from here . . . but  DrDan   Aug-05-08 06:39 AM   #14 
     - Who is WLC?  Zhade   Aug-06-08 12:27 AM   #155 
  - You'd have a point if Bill hadn't brought it up himself  LittleClarkie   Aug-05-08 07:34 AM   #47 
  - he was asked a question - and read in to the question what the interviewer was really asking  DrDan   Aug-05-08 07:38 AM   #49 
     - No, he was ready with his comment, even though it wasn't responsive to the question.  TexasObserver   Aug-05-08 08:36 AM   #66 
        - you might enjoy this site - they focus on conspiracy theories  DrDan   Aug-05-08 09:07 AM   #85 
           - you knew about it, but I didn't, so that says a lot about you, doesn't it?  TexasObserver   Aug-05-08 09:12 AM   #87 
           - well - sure seems like you have this "conspiracy" all figured out  DrDan   Aug-05-08 09:23 AM   #92 
              - Unlike you, I don't frequent conspiracy sites.  TexasObserver   Aug-05-08 09:49 AM   #99 
                 - no reason to visit them, I guess  DrDan   Aug-05-08 09:52 AM   #101 
                    - You should stop peddling conspiracy sites.  TexasObserver   Aug-05-08 11:12 AM   #108 
                       - "You seem to be able to cultivate the conspiracy quite well all by yourself."  DrDan   Aug-05-08 11:37 AM   #112 
                          - Sorry, but I don't buy into your crazy conspiracy theories.  TexasObserver   Aug-05-08 11:58 AM   #114 
                             - well - one of us posted "Bill Clinton has sold out to the forces of evil. "  DrDan   Aug-05-08 12:11 PM   #116 
                                - If you don't know that's a fact, you need to do some research.  TexasObserver   Aug-05-08 12:22 PM   #119 
                                   - what is your problem?  DrDan   Aug-05-08 01:30 PM   #123 
                                      - I think you started that line of attack with your conspiracy site post  Egnever   Aug-05-08 02:02 PM   #127 
                                      - shame you cannot see the difference - oh well  DrDan   Aug-05-08 02:12 PM   #128 
                                      - Bingo!  TexasObserver   Aug-05-08 02:17 PM   #129 
                                      - why don't we just say this whole line of posts started with  DrDan   Aug-06-08 07:29 AM   #175 
                                         - Because it started with your irrational, angry personal attacks.  TexasObserver   Aug-06-08 09:57 AM   #181 
                                            - and I stand by my comments as well  DrDan   Aug-06-08 10:27 AM   #188 
                                            - angry? not at all.  DrDan   Aug-06-08 11:02 AM   #194 
                                            - Facts, not theories. Bill sat down with a dictator to get oil rights for a conservative billionaire.  TexasObserver   Aug-06-08 11:15 AM   #195 
                                            - so let me ask you a couple of questions  DrDan   Aug-06-08 12:32 PM   #200 
                                            - So now that I've shown you the facts about Bill's selling out, you want to switch to bashing Obama?  TexasObserver   Aug-06-08 01:33 PM   #210 
                                            - thought so  DrDan   Aug-06-08 01:41 PM   #211 
                                            - Good bye, Mr. Obama Hater. Too bad you can't be honest.  TexasObserver   Aug-06-08 02:10 PM   #212 
                                            - there you go again  DrDan   Aug-06-08 02:17 PM   #214 
                                      - Now you're reduced to stealing lines from Foghorn Leghorn?!  TexasObserver   Aug-06-08 12:52 AM   #167 
                                         - I confess to having to look up Foghorn Leghorn  DrDan   Aug-06-08 07:18 AM   #173 
                                            - There you go again.  TexasObserver   Aug-06-08 07:53 AM   #177 
                                               - nope - no cross  DrDan   Aug-06-08 08:06 AM   #178 
                                               - dupe  TexasObserver   Aug-06-08 10:00 AM   #182 
                                               - No one asked Bill to "fall on his sword," just to "shut his big mouth!"  TexasObserver   Aug-06-08 10:02 AM   #183 
                                               - not sure why he would need to do that  DrDan   Aug-06-08 10:22 AM   #185 
                                               - Because he's supposed to be a Democrat and care about our winning.  TexasObserver   Aug-06-08 11:33 AM   #196 
                                               - please do not assume you know anything about my preferences or commitments  DrDan   Aug-06-08 12:27 PM   #198 
           - takes me 10 minutes to drive home from work  swampg8r   Aug-05-08 10:45 PM   #146 
              - I agree - it is a very entertaining show  DrDan   Aug-06-08 10:24 AM   #186 
                 - but its real?  swampg8r   Aug-06-08 11:21 PM   #216 
                    - and I always thought it was absolutely real  DrDan   Aug-07-08 06:24 AM   #217 
                       - im not worried about here  swampg8r   Aug-07-08 10:15 AM   #222 
  - Telling the truth about their lies isn't bashing.  Zhade   Aug-06-08 12:23 AM   #154 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-05-08 06:38 AM   #12 
  - See you in your coffin, Mattombstonelo  BeyondGeography   Aug-05-08 07:21 AM   #39 
     - Wow, the mods really dealt with that one fast!!  TexasObserver   Aug-05-08 07:47 AM   #54 
  - He knows he just can't say something like you and I over such an issue.  Life Long Dem   Aug-05-08 06:38 AM   #13 
  - I am not a racist like Barack implied and I won't say Barack is qualified...  sfam   Aug-05-08 06:42 AM   #15 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-05-08 06:45 AM   #17 
  - please stop stinking up this thread with juvenile attacks.  cali   Aug-05-08 06:58 AM   #21 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-05-08 07:13 AM   #30 
  - Actually, they did,  polmaven   Aug-05-08 07:18 AM   #37 
  - oops - last time I checked he had a right to that  DrDan   Aug-05-08 07:02 AM   #22 
  - He doth protesteth far too mucheth.  nc4bo   Aug-05-08 06:47 AM   #18 
  - You need to understand how Bill's mind works  endthewar   Aug-05-08 06:55 AM   #20 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-05-08 07:07 AM   #25 
  - go back to whatever hate site you came from  cali   Aug-05-08 07:12 AM   #29 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-05-08 07:16 AM   #33 
  - Actually,  polmaven   Aug-05-08 07:24 AM   #43 
  - And, being SO intelligent, he should have IGNORED the bait instead  beac   Aug-06-08 10:34 AM   #189 
     - That's right. He went out of his way to volunteer a negative response.  TexasObserver   Aug-06-08 02:12 PM   #213 
  - Bill is about Bill 24/7. Always has been, always will be.  TexasObserver   Aug-05-08 07:08 AM   #26 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-05-08 07:11 AM   #28 
     - No one called Bill a racist. They said he played the race card, which he did.  Skwmom   Aug-05-08 07:17 AM   #35 
     - Oh stop  ellacott   Aug-05-08 07:20 AM   #38 
     - Are you new to DU? Bill Clinton was called a racist right here. nt  yadayadayada   Aug-05-08 07:23 AM   #41 
        - The Obama camp didn't call him a racist, Clyburn didn't either  ellacott   Aug-05-08 07:44 AM   #53 
        - You can find people saying anything on DU  karynnj   Aug-05-08 08:08 AM   #57 
        - What was posted on DU is irrelevant.  No Elephants   Aug-05-08 09:50 AM   #100 
     - Stop attacking other posters for having opinions you don't like.  TexasObserver   Aug-05-08 07:26 AM   #45 
  - He's in Legacy Repair Mode, or at least he thinks he is.  JVS   Aug-05-08 07:13 AM   #31 
  - That was the first question that came to mind when I saw the news story. n/t  MrWiggles   Aug-05-08 07:17 AM   #36 
  - Me, too. I cringed the instant I heard it and thought "why, Bill?!"  TexasObserver   Aug-05-08 07:24 AM   #44 
  - And your post IS an effort for unity? nt  yadayadayada   Aug-05-08 07:21 AM   #40 
  - it's quite interesting that the folks who try and shut up any criticism of Bill Clinton  cali   Aug-05-08 07:52 AM   #56 
     - Good point  ellacott   Aug-05-08 08:31 AM   #61 
     - and the people that continually criticize the Clintons rail against  DrDan   Aug-05-08 08:33 AM   #62 
     - I think that was the point of the post  ellacott   Aug-05-08 08:52 AM   #78 
        - no -the point of the post was to continue to drive a wedge  DrDan   Aug-05-08 09:08 AM   #86 
           - No, the point is that it goes both ways  ellacott   Aug-05-08 09:18 AM   #90 
              - huh???? Perhaps I am missing your point - but the OP, as I read it,  DrDan   Aug-05-08 09:27 AM   #93 
                 - I'm not talking about the OP  ellacott   Aug-05-08 09:28 AM   #95 
                 - oh - sorry - was getting confused  DrDan   Aug-05-08 09:31 AM   #96 
                    - That's ok  ellacott   Aug-05-08 09:34 AM   #97 
                 - That's the SECOND TIME you called him WLC, which means the first wasn't a typo.  Zhade   Aug-06-08 12:34 AM   #157 
                    - not sure why I typed that . .  DrDan   Aug-06-08 07:27 AM   #174 
     - bill clinton is the little baby jesus dontcha know...  dionysus   Aug-05-08 08:55 AM   #80 
  - He sure said and did some racist things. It's about WHAT HE DID AND SAID NOT WHAT HE IS.  JTFrog   Aug-05-08 07:38 AM   #50 
  - If one does racist things, they are a racist. He's a racist.  TexasObserver   Aug-05-08 08:38 AM   #69 
     - What "Racist things" did he do... Please provide links, with video preferably.  LVjinx   Aug-06-08 12:39 AM   #161 
  - I'm just really, really disappointed in Bill.  TexasObserver   Aug-05-08 07:50 AM   #55 
  - 2012, 2012, 2012, 2012 - Bill's mantra.  polichick   Aug-05-08 08:14 AM   #59 
  - No 2012 For The Clintons  No Elephants   Aug-05-08 09:54 AM   #102 
     - Try to tell them that! :)  polichick   Aug-05-08 11:44 AM   #113 
  - I sincerely believe it's no accident  IWantAnyDem   Aug-05-08 08:36 AM   #65 
  - Interviewer :President Clinton, how do you feel about the racism charges made against you?"  mtnester   Aug-05-08 08:37 AM   #67 
  - Do you have a link to the interviewer asking that?  karynnj   Aug-05-08 08:52 AM   #77 
  - It was a paraphrase  mtnester   Aug-05-08 08:54 AM   #79 
  - I read the entire thing  karynnj   Aug-05-08 09:03 AM   #81 
     - And I suppose you think the DU comments of the portion I listed are actual quotes too?  mtnester   Aug-05-08 09:16 AM   #89 
  - I watched the interview, and Bill's response was a non sequitur.  TexasObserver   Aug-05-08 09:05 AM   #82 
     - Carry on then  mtnester   Aug-05-08 09:28 AM   #94 
     - Thanks - that was what I thought , but as I hadn't watched it I wanted  karynnj   Aug-05-08 09:47 AM   #98 
  - Hmmmmph!  maddiejoan   Aug-05-08 09:20 AM   #91 
     - Enthusiastic endorsement and campaiging will do.  No Elephants   Aug-05-08 10:53 AM   #105 
     - or he could just keep his mouth shut. is that really so much to ask?  JackORoses   Aug-05-08 04:54 PM   #131 
  - I don't think we really need his kind of 'unity'. I've had it with him. I'm done.  cliffordu   Aug-05-08 10:55 AM   #106 
  - If he said the sky was blue  MonkeyFunk   Aug-05-08 10:55 AM   #107 
  - Why is it so hard to believe some people were ACTUALLY offended by his remarks?  Lucky 13   Aug-05-08 11:15 AM   #109 
  - Because it doesn't fit monkeyfunk's narrative .....  scheming daemons   Aug-05-08 11:24 AM   #111 
     - they are merely running with the Victim card first played by the Clintons  AtomicKitten   Aug-05-08 04:59 PM   #134 
        - The Victims are all over this thread  sniffa   Aug-05-08 05:12 PM   #138 
           - here's a synopsis of what you're missing ...  AtomicKitten   Aug-05-08 05:19 PM   #140 
  - do you not see a difference in "the sky is blue" and "Jesse Jackson won SC in 84 and 88"?  JackORoses   Aug-05-08 04:57 PM   #132 
     - Saying Jesse Jackson won SC isn't racist  MonkeyFunk   Aug-05-08 05:03 PM   #135 
        - This is so funny  ellacott   Aug-05-08 05:06 PM   #136 
        - oh? what else do Obama and Jackson have in common?  JackORoses   Aug-05-08 05:08 PM   #137 
        - The quote, as described my Rep Meeks, included ALL democratic primary winners from the last 30 years  LVjinx   Aug-06-08 12:44 AM   #164 
           - so what do Jackson and Obama have in common, other than skin color?  JackORoses   Aug-06-08 01:10 PM   #207 
        - HELLO?!?! Still waiting for your reply....  Lucky 13   Aug-06-08 01:04 PM   #205 
  - Bill could've just NOT answered the questions AGAIN!! Come on Bill man, get on board with us  uponit7771   Aug-05-08 12:08 PM   #115 
  - If Bill Clinton thinks that this denial at this time is going repair his relationship  FrenchieCat   Aug-05-08 12:17 PM   #117 
  - Clinton was poised with precisely what he wanted to say in his non sequitur response.  AtomicKitten   Aug-05-08 12:19 PM   #118 
  - Many of these charges against Bill Clinton..  LanternWaste   Aug-05-08 12:29 PM   #120 
  - one good thing from that interview - tells me Hillary is NOT v.p. :)  Whisp   Aug-05-08 12:57 PM   #122 
  - silver lining there  JVS   Aug-05-08 01:52 PM   #126 
  - She never had a chance anyway.  Zhade   Aug-06-08 12:37 AM   #160 
  - It's not that deep  KingFlorez   Aug-05-08 01:48 PM   #124 
  - is it BILL that is pushing it?? n/t  Scout   Aug-05-08 01:51 PM   #125 
  - yep. He's a smart man. He knows what words to use. He knows about timing.  JackORoses   Aug-05-08 04:59 PM   #133 
     - he's not the one PUSHING anything  Scout   Aug-06-08 09:51 AM   #179 
  - Yes, Jack, it's all part of the Vast Clinton Conspiracy only you and a few other haters can see.  Skip Intro   Aug-05-08 05:18 PM   #139 
  - please explain his timing  JackORoses   Aug-05-08 05:42 PM   #141 
  - Was this a press conference? My understanding was he was answering a question.  LVjinx   Aug-06-08 12:40 AM   #162 
     - you are ignoring the fact that Bill is a smart man. He knows what to say and what not to say.  JackORoses   Aug-06-08 01:13 PM   #208 
  - "Barack Obama is no Martin Luther King"  Major Hogwash   Aug-05-08 10:32 PM   #144 
     - Lilnk?  Skip Intro   Aug-05-08 10:48 PM   #147 
     - Strangely, no one EVER seems to have a link to Bill Clinton's horrible, racist comments.  LVjinx   Aug-06-08 12:41 AM   #163 
        - Were you watching tv in January?  Major Hogwash   Aug-06-08 12:56 PM   #201 
     - well, Barack is NOT Martin Luther King ... no one is  Scout   Aug-06-08 09:52 AM   #180 
        - And Bubba ain't Thomas Jefferson!!  Major Hogwash   Aug-06-08 12:58 PM   #202 
           - who said Bill Clinton was Thomas Jefferson?  Scout   Aug-06-08 05:52 PM   #215 
  - Agreed. A completely stupid thing for him to do--at best. n/t  gulliver   Aug-05-08 09:53 PM   #143 
  - He's trying to restore his legacy.  anonymous171   Aug-05-08 10:35 PM   #145 
  - Stop the baseless smears, he isn't racist. He simply stating it, the reporter asked the question.  Kerry2008   Aug-06-08 12:29 AM   #156 
  - Probably no more of an agenda than the people who accused him of being racist in the first place.  LVjinx   Aug-06-08 12:46 AM   #165 
  - Keeping race, front and center works against Obama  SoCalDem   Aug-06-08 12:48 AM   #166 
  - Yeah, yeah. So pissed that Hillary is, GASP, campaigning for Obama.  Kerry2008   Aug-06-08 01:03 AM   #168 
     - She said she would, and she is.. and she's hopeful that  SoCalDem   Aug-06-08 01:04 AM   #169 
        - Really? Seems Hillary has helped Obama more than vice versa.  Kerry2008   Aug-06-08 01:09 AM   #170 
           - Um..he's kinda busy these days... less than 100 days to go  SoCalDem   Aug-06-08 01:13 AM   #171 
           - What, precisely, would you like him to do for her?  Lucky 13   Aug-06-08 10:45 AM   #191 
  - Nothing matters but his ego. I think he's trying to attack Obama  Indenturedebtor   Aug-06-08 10:49 AM   #192 
  - Maybe because he's not a racist, and someone asked him about that?  RedShoes   Aug-06-08 12:32 PM   #199 
     - The question was not about race, though he decided to make that his answer, odd....  Bensthename   Aug-06-08 01:31 PM   #209 
        - Not odd at all. He's embittered. Angry.  Mystery2Me   Aug-07-08 08:12 AM   #221 

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