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48. The "policy shop" was ready and waiting with answers on drilling offshore.
Harold Ford said they would be the the policy shop of the 08 nominee.

Looks like he was right.

Our Energy Future: Moving past the drill or not-drill debate

Meaning let's not have that debate. Let's find the third way, they say, which means compromising with extremists again. Rather than explain to the people who are not being informed...just compromise again.

John McCain has taken to distorting Barack Obama's energy plan by calling the Democratic nominee "Dr. No" on proposals to tap new sources of energy. Meanwhile, some environmentalists have begun calling President Bush "Dr. Evil" for lifting the long-standing executive ban on offshore drilling his father put in place nearly two decades ago. Favoring conservation instead, they fear that drilling will lead to spills and that extraction will kill whales and damage other marine life. (Guess what....it will kill them)

The standoff -- so typical of the gridlock that plagues Washington -- runs counter to what most Americans want out of the nation's capital: a real solution to the nagging question of how to ensure that we have enough energy to keep the economy growing without destroying the environment -- while breaking our dependence on foreign oil.

The truth is that any comprehensive energy independence plan demands that we embrace the best ideas offered by those pushing for conservation, and combine them with an environmentally conscious strategy to build more capacity.


Conservation lost in this bill put forth by 5 Democrats who adhere to this group's policies.

Environmentalists should take credit -- and some solace -- in the fact that environmental regulations have toughened considerably since the 1970s, ensuring that new drilling and exploration no longer pose the same threat they once did. But proponents of new drilling should realize that there are still serious risks for the environment, and that new leases should be granted on a case-by-case basis, with states getting a say and a share of the revenues. Just in case those newfangled drilling methods aren't as environmentally friendly as companies claim, some of the savings from ending breaks to oil companies could go to a drilling equivalent of Superfund, a government program to clean up contaminated land.

We can't drill our way to energy independence, but neither can we hope that conservation is a panacea. On the question of building a comprehensive energy independence plan, both sides needs to take the nation's larger interest into consideration, and find a third way.


The revenue sharing is going to sell it. The environmental damage according to this article will happen, so we form a superfund to take care of it.

Only 50 miles offshore in areas where hurricanes dominate.




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  -Obama supports the offshore drilling plan of the Gang of 10. Some details... madfloridian  Aug-02-08 01:40 PM   #0 
  - This stinks. And I'm disgusted he's supporting it. nt  MookieWilson   Aug-02-08 01:42 PM   #1 
  - It Might Be One of Those "Piecrust Promises" So Common to Elections  Demeter   Aug-02-08 02:39 PM   #27 
  - Yes, I'm prepared for those. But they seem to be piling up. Fingers crossed. nt  MookieWilson   Aug-02-08 03:33 PM   #33 
  - Reading Obama I just dont get the sense that he'll go thru w/ it -- "Piecrust Promise" indeed!  quantass   Aug-04-08 06:39 AM   #72 
  - just the latest in a now lengthening list of complete 180's he's made...  TankLV   Aug-02-08 02:46 PM   #29 
     - A fair point - FISA, Off-Shore Drilling, & the ridiuclous 1000 rebate economic  debbierlus   Aug-02-08 03:23 PM   #31 
     - There is no excuse - you're so right.  emilyg   Aug-02-08 08:04 PM   #50 
     - I just "love" all the usual suspects who come out to express "concern"  Elrond Hubbard   Aug-03-08 02:07 PM   #66 
  - Emphasis on the words "Florida gets no choice."  madfloridian   Aug-02-08 01:43 PM   #2 
  - That should be a what the fuck moment for the Florida tourism industry  liberal N proud   Aug-02-08 02:06 PM   #18 
  - So what do we do, now that Obama just shat in our backyard?  The Backlash Cometh   Aug-02-08 05:45 PM   #43 
  - depressing.......thanks for all of your research on this.  ErinBerin84   Aug-02-08 01:43 PM   #3 
  - Good for Obama. He knows a losing issue when he sees one.  GarbagemanLB   Aug-02-08 01:44 PM   #4 
  - Wait till Floridians hear that Florida will be given no choice. Bam.  madfloridian   Aug-02-08 01:46 PM   #5 
  - Again, his position neutralizes the only strength McCain had this election cycle.  GarbagemanLB   Aug-02-08 01:48 PM   #6 
  - good politics for those living in Oregon perhaps  DrDan   Aug-02-08 01:52 PM   #7 
  - You only repeat the same phrase...you don't see anything but political posing.  madfloridian   Aug-02-08 01:53 PM   #8 
  - I'm sorry if I see a McCain administration infinitely more harmful than this one bill.  GarbagemanLB   Aug-02-08 01:55 PM   #9 
     - Being okay with everything is just wrong.  madfloridian   Aug-02-08 01:56 PM   #10 
  - Good politics to throw all of your ideals out the window  Toonces27   Aug-02-08 01:56 PM   #12 
  - Politics is a game, and it isn't even a fair game. The media is against us because of  GarbagemanLB   Aug-02-08 02:01 PM   #16 
     - Well, GarbageMan, you won. He gave in.  madfloridian   Aug-02-08 02:03 PM   #17 
     - All that means is  Toonces27   Aug-03-08 02:01 PM   #65 
  - ahh - I see now - "neutralizes" - as in fully SURRENDERS to the repukes on this...  TankLV   Aug-02-08 02:47 PM   #30 
  - I thought Floridians were in favor of offshore drilling.  Kristi1696   Aug-02-08 01:57 PM   #13 
     - They were for it according to some polls recently.  madfloridian   Aug-02-08 02:01 PM   #15 
     - I live in Florida...  spin   Aug-02-08 02:17 PM   #20 
        - Well, they got it now. With no choice.  madfloridian   Aug-02-08 02:18 PM   #22 
        - Now that might just upset some people...  spin   Aug-02-08 02:20 PM   #24 
        - People are so stupid.  FlaDem83   Aug-03-08 07:01 AM   #58 
  - Exactly right.  Phx_Dem   Aug-02-08 05:17 PM   #41 
  - Please reconcile....  BlooInBloo   Aug-02-08 01:56 PM   #11 
  - Those statements are in the OP.....  madfloridian   Aug-02-08 01:59 PM   #14 
  - Thanks..the media doing what they do best. n/t  zidzi   Aug-02-08 02:14 PM   #19 
  - The paper included those quotes...so did I.  madfloridian   Aug-02-08 02:17 PM   #21 
     - You say "Obama supports" he says "I remain skeptical". Please reconcile.  BlooInBloo   Aug-02-08 02:19 PM   #23 
        - Did you read this part?  madfloridian   Aug-02-08 02:22 PM   #25 
           - Good 'nuff - thanks!  BlooInBloo   Aug-02-08 02:25 PM   #26 
  - The only Democrat of the 10 I could find was Kent Conrad...  madfloridian   Aug-02-08 02:41 PM   #28 
  - Blanche Lincoln from Arkansas, Ben Nelson from Nebraska, Mary Landreau from Louisiana  mnhtnbb   Aug-02-08 04:04 PM   #37 
     - Only Landrieu is on the coast...always votes with oil.  madfloridian   Aug-02-08 04:47 PM   #38 
     - In Louisiana we already drill off of our coastline  Hippo_Tron   Aug-02-08 10:25 PM   #53 
     - Inland States  suzie   Aug-04-08 04:46 AM   #70 
     - Every one of them is DLC nt  Zodiak Ironfist   Aug-03-08 02:47 PM   #67 
  - Great - Pelosi FINALLY stands up to the Republicans, and Obama caves...  polichick   Aug-02-08 03:30 PM   #32 
  - I was thinking that. The same day wasn't it?  madfloridian   Aug-02-08 03:36 PM   #34 
     - Yeah, same day - I was so happy she walked out on them...  polichick   Aug-02-08 03:42 PM   #35 
  - Obama must have had another visit from the DLC or Chamber of Commerce . . !!!  defendandprotect   Aug-02-08 03:51 PM   #36 
  - When Obama justifies possible offshore drilling  skepticscott   Aug-02-08 05:10 PM   #39 
  - He could tell the truth, but then he'd lose.  NYC_SKP   Aug-02-08 07:41 PM   #49 
     - The title of your post  skepticscott   Aug-02-08 11:41 PM   #55 
        - More than any other candidate, Obama has chosen truth over expediency...  NYC_SKP   Aug-03-08 12:01 AM   #56 
  - Can't defend him on this decision  Jake3463   Aug-02-08 05:15 PM   #40 
  - You forget that Fl./CA polled positive for off-shore drilling  Imagevision   Aug-02-08 05:19 PM   #42 
  - That's because many voters don't know it's a scam...  polichick   Aug-02-08 05:46 PM   #44 
  - Statistics show that he didn't educate enough on the tax holiday gimmick either -  cyberpj   Aug-02-08 07:01 PM   #46 
     - I think he needs to hold an energy summit, with well-known experts to explain things clearly.  polichick   Aug-02-08 07:32 PM   #47 
  - I haven't forgotten. We have anchors like John Wilson spouting propaganda  madfloridian   Aug-02-08 05:49 PM   #45 
  - The "policy shop" was ready and waiting with answers on drilling offshore.  madfloridian   Aug-02-08 07:35 PM   #48 
  - WTF???  Holly_Hobby   Aug-02-08 09:53 PM   #51 
  - Would this not let the states decide if they want to drill?  bigmoon   Aug-02-08 10:00 PM   #52 
  - Not Florida.  madfloridian   Aug-02-08 10:27 PM   #54 
  - there is a world wide shortage of deep water drilling equipment  madrchsod   Aug-03-08 06:35 AM   #57 
  - Stupid move on Obama's part  MadHound   Aug-03-08 07:06 AM   #59 
  - Well if it does take years  BecauseBushSaysSo   Aug-03-08 11:51 PM   #69 
  - A majority of Floridians support offshore drilling  Freddie Stubbs   Aug-03-08 10:09 AM   #60 
  - I would guess that a number of Floridians have decided  suzie   Aug-04-08 04:48 AM   #71 
     - Oil tankers dock in Florida ports every day  Freddie Stubbs   Aug-04-08 07:34 AM   #73 
  - There must be something credible out there linking  bluesmail   Aug-03-08 01:22 PM   #61 
  - Or perhaps it was the poll last week that showed that 60% of Floridians favored drilling  Freddie Stubbs   Aug-03-08 01:55 PM   #64 
  - Semantics-- making consideration into support -- as a political tactic  Overseas   Aug-03-08 01:25 PM   #62 
  - I quoted his support for the Gang of 10's plan, which I think is a bad plan.  madfloridian   Aug-03-08 01:31 PM   #63 
     - This is very very wrong.  demokatgurrl   Aug-04-08 09:10 AM   #74 
  - Hey mad!! I've been re reading Naomi Klein's. The Shock Doctrine  tnlefty   Aug-03-08 05:21 PM   #68 
  - Ed Schultz was just talking about this issue and Florida.  madfloridian   Aug-06-08 12:40 PM   #75 
 

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