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George W. Bush was photographed wearing a ribbon he did not earn
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We can clearly see that in this picture, George W. Bush is wearing an Air Force Outstanding Unit Award and a Small Arms Expert Marksmanship Ribbon, however, on line 24 of his ARG22 National Guard discharge form, George W. Bush has NO awards listed:



Now, here in another picture where his father is pinning lieutenant bars on his shoulder, George W. Bush is again wearing the Small Arms Expert Marksmanship Ribbon:



So, in fairness we must give George W. Bush the benefit of the doubt here. Let's dig further and look at other records released by the Bush campaign team. Our next stop is a a Form AF11 dated May 16, 1971. You will note on this document Bush has already been promoted to First Lieutenant:



All that is listed in this document is the Small Arms Expert Marksmanship Ribbon. The Air Force Outstanding Unit Award is not listed.

Our next stop is the "military biography" released by the Bush Campaign:




In this document, the claim is made that Bush was awarded the National Defense Service Medal and the Small Arms Expert Marksmanship Ribbon, BUT NO MENTION OF THE AIR FORCE OUTSTANDING UNIT AWARD!!! This document was clearly prepared after Bush's service ended.

Exhaustive searches for any indication that any unit Bush served with was awarded the AFOUA have, to date, yielded nothing. The ONLY documents released by the Bush administration related to his service that make mention of any awards whatsoever have been included in this report.

The only conclusion that can be made is George W. Bush wore a ribbon he did not earn in the above photograph.

Webliography:

USA Today source of documents used in this report: http://www.usatoday.com/news/2004-02-14-bush-docs.htm
Source for ARG22: http://www.usatoday.com/news/bushdocs/2-Discharge.pdf
Source for AF11: http://www.usatoday.com/news/bushdocs/11-4_2004_Personn...
Source for "military biography": http://www.usatoday.com/news/bushdocs/11-1_2004_Personn...
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  George W. Bush was photographed wearing a ribbon he did not earn Walt Starr  Aug-23-04 08:21 AM   #0 
   he did however earn  mharris660   Aug-23-04 08:25 AM   #1 
   Time to roll out THIS classic:  BlueEyedSon   Aug-23-04 02:38 PM   #63 
      Got here through a link at Buzzflash  ruocal   Aug-24-04 01:49 AM   #155 
      LOLL  mharris660   Aug-24-04 06:51 AM   #167 
   Nice job. CNN, Fauz, ABC, NBC,CBS, MSNBC, and CNBC are on it  Feeney2   Aug-23-04 08:27 AM   #2 
   LINK TO EASY ACCESS TO MEDIA CONTACTS --  DeepModem Mom   Aug-23-04 08:30 AM   #3 
   Yeah right.  Walt Starr   Aug-23-04 09:32 AM   #14 
   If bush's lips are moving, then he is lying.  TWiley   Aug-23-04 11:55 AM   #32 
   Is this your original work, Walt?  benburch   Aug-23-04 08:37 AM   #4 
   Yep, started out as an attempt to compare Kerry's awards to *'s  Walt Starr   Aug-23-04 09:30 AM   #13 
   Walt, you and DoYouEverWonder are my heroes.  blondeatlast   Aug-23-04 08:40 AM   #5 
   This is nothing more than a bit of Googling  Walt Starr   Aug-23-04 09:45 AM   #18 
      Way to go, Walt!  zidzi   Aug-23-04 08:14 PM   #130 
         Michael Moore Moved on it!!  zidzi   Aug-23-04 10:18 PM   #141 
         The red flag I saw was an award that appeared in no documentation  Walt Starr   Aug-23-04 10:55 PM   #145 
            The Plot is thickening!  zidzi   Aug-24-04 12:01 AM   #147 
   some problems with your theory  qazplm   Aug-23-04 08:52 AM   #6 
   AFOUA Requirements (This is an Air Force award, not an Army award)  Walt Starr   Aug-23-04 09:27 AM   #11 
   um, so can army unit citations  qazplm   Aug-23-04 09:43 AM   #17 
      Not the AFOUA.  Walt Starr   Aug-23-04 09:54 AM   #19 
         sorry but i dont know of ANY  qazplm   Aug-23-04 10:38 AM   #21 
            Thank your for the requiring I cite the regulation!  Walt Starr   Aug-23-04 10:55 AM   #24 
            thanks n/t  DUreader   Aug-23-04 11:06 AM   #25 
            No problem, THIS IS FUN!  Walt Starr   Aug-23-04 11:12 AM   #27 
            you quoted  qazplm   Aug-23-04 03:24 PM   #83 
               Bzzzzzt, WRONG ANSWER  Walt Starr   Aug-23-04 03:31 PM   #87 
                  There is one instance in which ANY award is worn temporarily in the AF  Walt Starr   Aug-23-04 03:35 PM   #89 
                  Do you have a copy of the regulation  Frodo   Aug-23-04 03:48 PM   #94 
                     No I don't  Walt Starr   Aug-23-04 04:59 PM   #106 
            So was the cited regulation enough for you?  Walt Starr   Aug-23-04 11:34 AM   #29 
            Just to humor you as well, here are pertinent sections from AR 670-1  Walt Starr   Aug-23-04 12:46 PM   #36 
               AR 670-1 addresses mainly active duty awards.  Why   Aug-23-04 01:49 PM   #51 
               In the Guard and Reserves, the host service regulations apply  Walt Starr   Aug-23-04 01:55 PM   #55 
                  if the only authority  qazplm   Aug-23-04 03:19 PM   #78 
                     I quoted the AFI 36-2803 above! That's the reg. covering the AFOUA.  Walt Starr   Aug-23-04 03:25 PM   #84 
               think about this for a second ok...  qazplm   Aug-23-04 03:22 PM   #82 
               Read post #24. I quoted the *AIR FORCE* regulation AFI 36-2803  Walt Starr   Aug-23-04 03:27 PM   #85 
                  Do we know for certain that the unit did not win the award while  Frodo   Aug-23-04 03:46 PM   #93 
                  No, we don't  Walt Starr   Aug-23-04 04:51 PM   #105 
                  you have shown  qazplm   Aug-23-04 03:48 PM   #95 
                     You're asking me to prove a negative  Walt Starr   Aug-23-04 05:07 PM   #108 
                     re: qazplm  yibbehobba   Aug-23-04 09:07 PM   #134 
               Walt  Blue Wally   Aug-23-04 07:50 PM   # 
               Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-23-04 07:50 PM   #128 
   That's my experience also  sampsonblk   Aug-24-04 12:25 PM   #196 
   Since you are researching ...  BOHICA04   Aug-23-04 08:54 AM   #7 
   This is different from those army awards  Walt Starr   Aug-23-04 09:20 AM   #9 
      My husband's DD-214 is complete, as well  Moonbeam_Starlight   Aug-23-04 09:27 PM   #137 
   Good catch, Walt. I hope this gets media coverage.  DemBones DemBones   Aug-23-04 09:03 AM   #8 
   Walt, my memory is hazy ...  nownow   Aug-23-04 09:25 AM   #10 
   I don't question the SAEMR, Bush did not earn the AFOUA  Walt Starr   Aug-23-04 09:29 AM   #12 
   It appears that BOGUS DECORATIONS ARE A TRADITION WITH GENERATIONS OF  flordehinojos   Aug-23-04 09:35 AM   #15 
   And there are those troubling allegations...  benburch   Aug-23-04 09:41 AM   #16 
   These low life bushes! How they got to be in such a powerful place in life  flordehinojos   Aug-23-04 09:58 AM   #20 
   Links? and Links!!  Eloriel   Aug-23-04 03:21 PM   #79 
   Send that directly to David Hackworth.  foktarded   Aug-23-04 10:41 AM   #22 
   Truer words were never spoken.  bigmonkey   Aug-23-04 10:50 AM   #23 
      Not only will Hackworth not ignore it,  foktarded   Aug-23-04 12:59 PM   #38 
         here's his email  foktarded   Aug-23-04 01:10 PM   #40 
            Thanks, I sent him a link  Walt Starr   Aug-23-04 01:25 PM   #46 
   If this is true, then this is the ultimate indignity to our Armed Forces.  MallRat   Aug-23-04 11:07 AM   #26 
   Well, some further evidence  Walt Starr   Aug-23-04 11:20 AM   #28 
   Hey Walt, dKos picked up on this thread and links back to DU!  DesertDem   Aug-23-04 11:49 AM   #30 
   I'm still trying to figure out WHY he was promoted to 1st. Lt.??? N/T  Caliphoto   Aug-23-04 11:52 AM   #31 
   70230, enlisted. question?  seabeyond   Aug-23-04 12:04 PM   #33 
   The Draft Lottery  Tims   Aug-23-04 05:27 PM   #115 
      I believe you are mistaken on the timeline.  TankLV   Aug-24-04 10:58 PM   #228 
   if the medal is legit...  grasswire   Aug-23-04 12:15 PM   #34 
   OMG, Walt  grasswire   Aug-23-04 12:38 PM   #35 
   Kick  Onlooker   Aug-23-04 12:57 PM   #37 
   GWB never mentions his Ohio family roots when campaigning in OH  jean   Aug-26-04 02:23 AM   #255 
   My Heartiest Congratulations, Mr. Starr!  The Magistrate   Aug-23-04 01:09 PM   #39 
   spread out, pals  grasswire   Aug-23-04 01:13 PM   #42 
   Found the NGB22 from when he was released as Airman  Walt Starr   Aug-23-04 01:12 PM   #41 
   OMG, Bush was a SECOND LIEUTENANT IN THE PHOTOGRAPH!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Walt Starr   Aug-23-04 01:20 PM   #45 
      help us out, Walt  grasswire   Aug-23-04 01:26 PM   #47 
      Lower Left Hand Corner, it says, and I quote:  Walt Starr   Aug-23-04 01:44 PM   #50 
      for those who may be unfamiliar w/ some of this . . .  TaleWgnDg   Aug-24-04 02:01 AM   #158 
   Sent it to a bunch of newspapers  strizi64   Aug-23-04 01:13 PM   #43 
   send the followup, too!  grasswire   Aug-23-04 01:19 PM   #44 
      Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-23-04 01:33 PM   #48 
         please remove that phone number immediately  grasswire   Aug-23-04 01:36 PM   #49 
         That's ok to me  strizi64   Aug-23-04 01:50 PM   #53 
         thanks, mod  grasswire   Aug-23-04 01:51 PM   #54 
         Please take out the contact information in this post  Joanne98   Aug-23-04 01:49 PM   #52 
   I've shrunk the time line for the photo!  Walt Starr   Aug-23-04 02:12 PM   #56 
   Walt, you are ALL THAT  Karenina   Aug-23-04 02:17 PM   #57 
   Could applicable regulation have been subsequently changed?  DarkHemlet   Aug-23-04 02:31 PM   #58 
   welcome to DU!  grasswire   Aug-23-04 02:34 PM   #59 
   The AFOUA and surrounding regulations were created as a result  Walt Starr   Aug-23-04 02:58 PM   #69 
   thats absolutely not true  qazplm   Aug-23-04 04:11 PM   #97 
      Are you talking *SPECIFICALLY* about the AFOUA?  Walt Starr   Aug-23-04 05:30 PM   #116 
      I am talking about awards regulations  qazplm   Aug-24-04 02:09 AM   #160 
         No, actually I didn't  Walt Starr   Aug-24-04 06:33 AM   #166 
      Do you have a link to that forum?  Walt Starr   Aug-23-04 05:46 PM   #119 
   Welcome to DU.  aquart   Aug-23-04 03:06 PM   #74 
   Thanks, & Found a date for initial 147th Outstanding Unit Award  DarkHemlet   Aug-23-04 03:28 PM   #86 
      That's anectdotal  Walt Starr   Aug-23-04 03:37 PM   #91 
   Kick!  David Zephyr   Aug-23-04 02:36 PM   #60 
   Did He Throw His Ribbon?  DrFunkenstein   Aug-23-04 02:37 PM   #61 
   I'd be careful about making a big deal about a unit commendation:  hlthe2b   Aug-23-04 02:37 PM   #62 
   This is true  TrueAmerican   Aug-23-04 02:57 PM   #68 
   He was a second lieutenant in the picture. Officers are held to a higher  Walt Starr   Aug-23-04 02:59 PM   #70 
      True  TrueAmerican   Aug-23-04 03:02 PM   #72 
      Also in my 20 years of service  TrueAmerican   Aug-23-04 03:04 PM   #73 
      At the time of the picture he had only served between 1 and 2 years  Walt Starr   Aug-23-04 03:11 PM   #76 
      I have.  Blue Wally   Aug-24-04 05:21 AM   #165 
      Then he can answer for his mistake. That does not alter the facts, though.  Walt Starr   Aug-23-04 03:08 PM   #75 
         May need to check previous units  Milflier   Aug-23-04 03:36 PM   #90 
            There should be accompanying documentation for the award, regardless  Walt Starr   Aug-23-04 03:41 PM   #92 
               Agreed, only meant as a caution  Milflier   Aug-23-04 04:03 PM   #96 
                  10:1 I know what happened and why he wore it  Walt Starr   Aug-23-04 05:45 PM   #118 
      AFOUA  CARENE   Aug-25-04 11:06 PM   #250 
   Try as I might, I cannot find the unit citation for the 147th FIG or the  Walt Starr   Aug-23-04 03:01 PM   #71 
   Well, as I recall,  hlthe2b   Aug-23-04 03:11 PM   #77 
   Problem is, there are ample documents where this award *Should*  Walt Starr   Aug-23-04 03:22 PM   #81 
   Not only in OER  Milflier   Aug-23-04 04:21 PM   #99 
      or you could be like me  qazplm   Aug-23-04 04:26 PM   #101 
   "The 147th earned its first Air Force Outstanding Unit Award in 1966"  Frodo   Aug-23-04 04:15 PM   #98 
      Yep, and 1982 is listed as a second award of the AFOUA  Walt Starr   Aug-23-04 05:10 PM   #109 
   Air Force Outstanding Unit Award  CARENE   Aug-25-04 10:43 PM   #249 
   Has anyone sent it to Keith Olberman?  Pirate Smile   Aug-23-04 02:50 PM   #64 
   Here is his alibi  TrueAmerican   Aug-23-04 02:52 PM   #65 
   WTG Walt, this need a huge kick for the media boys n/t  spokane   Aug-23-04 02:53 PM   #66 
   KICK THIS BABY  Joanne98   Aug-23-04 02:56 PM   #67 
   Double KICK!  usg353d   Aug-23-04 03:21 PM   #80 
   Media, where are you?  npincus   Aug-23-04 03:33 PM   #88 
   Welcome to DU!  grasswire   Aug-23-04 04:30 PM   #102 
   This thread should NOT stop... <nt> (until * is retired)  ABB_15501   Aug-23-04 04:23 PM   #100 
   Trippi posted dKos link on Hardblogger!  DesertDem   Aug-23-04 04:42 PM   #103 
   Walt - I have a question about the other medals  Nancy Waterman   Aug-23-04 05:12 PM   #110 
   I'm unsure about when the Texas Service Medal was created  Walt Starr   Aug-23-04 05:16 PM   #112 
      I sent the missing medal thread  Nancy Waterman   Aug-23-04 05:25 PM   #114 
      Congraulations Walt..  AuntPatsy   Aug-23-04 09:49 PM   #140 
   WOW  Walt Starr   Aug-23-04 05:13 PM   #111 
   MSNBC's Hardblogger is linking to DailyKos about this issue  Pirate Smile   Aug-23-04 04:44 PM   #104 
   hoooray!!  grasswire   Aug-23-04 05:01 PM   #107 
   I nominated this one for the front page!  nothingshocksmeanymore   Aug-23-04 05:23 PM   #113 
   Walt....here's some other info from KOS  grasswire   Aug-23-04 05:36 PM   #117 
   Thanks, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ACCESS TO AIR FORCE PAMPHLET 900-2?  Walt Starr   Aug-23-04 05:57 PM   #120 
   Kick for AFP 900-2  Walt Starr   Aug-23-04 06:18 PM   #121 
   One more time, kick for AFP 900-2  Walt Starr   Aug-23-04 06:39 PM   #122 
      kick again  grasswire   Aug-23-04 07:02 PM   #123 
      Pssst.....  motivated   Aug-23-04 07:56 PM   #129 
   Wow Walt!  curse10   Aug-23-04 07:05 PM   #124 
   WOW! Great research!  Misunderestimator   Aug-23-04 07:28 PM   #125 
   HEY!!! Past Duty Assignments WHERE IS ALABAMA ON IT?????  robo   Aug-23-04 07:44 PM   #126 
   Actually, nowhere  Walt Starr   Aug-23-04 07:47 PM   #127 
      Michael Moore loves you.  shellbelle101   Aug-23-04 08:41 PM   #131 
         ON GUARD -- OR AWOL?  rosebud57   Aug-23-04 09:21 PM   #135 
         welcome to DU  grasswire   Aug-23-04 09:24 PM   #136 
         Wow!  Spazito   Aug-23-04 09:48 PM   #139 
         Welcome to the DU.  David Zephyr   Aug-23-04 10:33 PM   #143 
         Welcome to DU shellbelle  charlie105   Aug-24-04 10:39 AM   #179 
   I heard that the Outstanding Unit Award is a local award and would  2004 Victory   Aug-23-04 09:02 PM   #132 
   Excellent work Walt Starr!  Swamp_Rat   Aug-23-04 09:02 PM   #133 
   UH OH! USA TODAY ASKING QUESTIONS OF BUSH  kicktheelephant   Aug-23-04 09:43 PM   #138 
      Thanks for posting, kicktheelephant, and welcome to DU!!!  DeepModem Mom   Aug-24-04 05:03 AM   #164 
   Splendid work  LimpDickCheney   Aug-23-04 10:21 PM   #142 
   I HEARD  RDL   Aug-23-04 10:38 PM   #144 
   Well, goddam, Walt.  ibegurpard   Aug-23-04 11:12 PM   #146 
   REally!  zidzi   Aug-24-04 02:00 AM   #157 
   Kudos!  martinheldt   Aug-24-04 12:10 AM   #148 
   Hey Marty!  grasswire   Aug-24-04 12:59 AM   #149 
   I hope you stick around Martin!  GloriaSmith   Aug-24-04 01:14 AM   # 
   welcome to DU!! n/t  TaleWgnDg   Aug-24-04 01:47 AM   #154 
   Wow!  Spazito   Aug-24-04 01:57 AM   #156 
   Welcome to du, Martin Heldt!  zidzi   Aug-24-04 02:02 AM   #159 
   Thanks for the post!  nothingshocksmeanymore   Aug-24-04 02:24 AM   #161 
   Welcome to DU, Marty! I can't see the document:  Stephanie   Aug-24-04 09:58 AM   #175 
   Marty, can you email this doc to Walt or somebody?  Stephanie   Aug-24-04 10:45 AM   #181 
   Nice job, Sherlock!  Dr Fate   Aug-24-04 01:14 AM   #150 
   Have been checking the  Target_Acquired   Aug-24-04 01:36 AM   #151 
   kick  TeeYiYi   Aug-24-04 01:38 AM   #152 
   Brilliant! Well done!  Scorpious_Maximus   Aug-24-04 01:38 AM   #153 
   TAFMS TAFCS  LimpDickCheney   Aug-24-04 03:00 AM   #162 
   wow, is all i can say! Excellent job, Walt Starr!!!  progressivebebe   Aug-24-04 03:56 AM   #163 
   This is being mentioned on Air America.  slutticus   Aug-24-04 06:59 AM   #168 
   Great job, Walt!  in_cog_ni_to   Aug-24-04 08:33 AM   #169 
   AAR Morning Sedition is talking about this!!!  in_cog_ni_to   Aug-24-04 08:35 AM   #170 
   Sorry, Bush may well have correctly worn the ribbon.  bwise   Aug-24-04 09:21 AM   #171 
   Please, cite the regulation  Walt Starr   Aug-24-04 09:33 AM   #172 
   1000+ posts, and you can't understand????  bwise   Aug-24-04 09:47 AM   #173 
   Again, you lack credibility  Walt Starr   Aug-24-04 09:50 AM   #174 
      You win, I'm releasing my entire military file to you...  bwise   Aug-24-04 11:27 AM   #188 
         Anecdotal evidence is unacceptable  Walt Starr   Aug-24-04 11:34 AM   #189 
   Not Credible Either  1timeonly   Aug-24-04 10:37 AM   #178 
      Then an officer should know better.  Walt Starr   Aug-24-04 10:45 AM   #180 
      what?  qazplm   Aug-24-04 11:17 AM   #184 
      Give me the reg  Walt Starr   Aug-24-04 11:22 AM   #185 
         Regulations vs Custom  1timeonly   Aug-24-04 11:41 AM   #190 
            Sorry, show me anything in writing, that's all I ask  Walt Starr   Aug-24-04 11:48 AM   #192 
            Not in the Air Force  lazarus   Aug-26-04 12:18 PM   #264 
      Date the photo  1timeonly   Aug-24-04 11:45 AM   #191 
         He should be authorized for the wings upon completion of UPT  Walt Starr   Aug-24-04 12:06 PM   #193 
      I'll see your AF in 1980  lazarus   Aug-26-04 12:14 PM   #263 
   I think you're missing the point  Onlooker   Aug-24-04 11:07 AM   #182 
      Even if he WAS authorized to wear the ribbon under some now defunct  Walt Starr   Aug-24-04 11:26 AM   #187 
   Still looking for confirmation on AFP 900-2 and old copies of regs.  Walt Starr   Aug-24-04 10:08 AM   #176 
   great cross checking Walt, Keep up the good work  gasperc   Aug-24-04 10:13 AM   #177 
      Yes, and possibly.. like some duers have  zidzi   Aug-24-04 11:15 AM   #183 
         Like the Texas Faithful Service Medal?  Walt Starr   Aug-24-04 11:23 AM   #186 
            NDSM  martinheldt   Aug-24-04 12:21 PM   #195 
               Yep, from the way the regs are worded on the NDSM, he was ineligible  Walt Starr   Aug-24-04 12:43 PM   #197 
                  Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-24-04 01:55 PM   #199 
                     This is nothing personal  Walt Starr   Aug-24-04 02:20 PM   #200 
                     BTW, his active duty was for training, not a federal activation order  Walt Starr   Aug-24-04 02:21 PM   #201 
                        Read the reg and  bwise   Aug-24-04 03:03 PM   #203 
                           If he was awarded the medal, please present the documentation  Walt Starr   Aug-24-04 03:21 PM   #205 
                           You know what, I just figured out where the documentation is for the NDSM!  Walt Starr   Aug-24-04 03:41 PM   #208 
   Out of Uniform  LimpDickCheney   Aug-24-04 12:20 PM   #194 
   Troubling information regarding the "temporary wear" of Unit Awards  Walt Starr   Aug-24-04 01:39 PM   #198 
   thanks, Walt  grasswire   Aug-24-04 02:32 PM   #202 
   URL  1timeonly   Aug-24-04 05:01 PM   #213 
   Do I understand this correctly? Bush is wearing a ribbon because  Jack from Charlotte   Aug-24-04 06:46 PM   #217 
   The best part of this thread is the freeps quibbling about details.  John_H   Aug-24-04 03:21 PM   #204 
   My favorite was the requirement that I prove the Air Force had a specific  Walt Starr   Aug-24-04 03:33 PM   #206 
   Take no prisoners  npincus   Aug-24-04 04:02 PM   #209 
   If nothing else, Kerry's awards must be shown beside Dubya's  Walt Starr   Aug-24-04 04:20 PM   #210 
   Your Fav  1timeonly   Aug-24-04 04:35 PM   #211 
      Provide the documentation  Walt Starr   Aug-24-04 04:41 PM   #212 
   Great work Walt!  Willy Mugobeer   Aug-24-04 03:34 PM   #207 
   another celebrity visits Walt's thread!  grasswire   Aug-24-04 11:11 PM   #231 
   Thank you  Walt Starr   Aug-25-04 12:44 AM   #234 
   Welcome to DU  Joanne98   Aug-25-04 11:58 AM   #239 
      Thanks Joanne...  Willy Mugobeer   Aug-26-04 12:52 PM   #265 
         yeah I seen it  Joanne98   Aug-26-04 07:05 PM   #276 
   Temporary wearing of Unit Awards in Air force DEBUNKED!  Walt Starr   Aug-24-04 05:06 PM   #214 
   Another kick for the naysayers  Walt Starr   Aug-24-04 05:37 PM   #215 
      Not DEBUNKED!  Herosmith   Aug-24-04 06:21 PM   #216 
         You GOTTA read the above post!!!!  John_H   Aug-24-04 06:48 PM   #218 
         ROFLMAO!!!  Walt Starr   Aug-24-04 08:23 PM   #220 
         Um...dude, like, that's *NOT* the award Bush was wearing.  Walt Starr   Aug-24-04 08:07 PM   #219 
            You're such a nice boy...  Paul_H   Aug-24-04 09:12 PM   #222 
            Another 'In Your Face Kick"  Walt Starr   Aug-24-04 10:40 PM   #226 
               Air Force Regulations  P_J 4 Kerry   Aug-25-04 11:13 PM   #251 
                  I verified the information via the AFPC  Walt Starr   Aug-26-04 05:45 PM   #271 
            So evidence contrary to what you want to believe  bwise   Aug-24-04 10:07 PM   #225 
               Nope, unfounded claims that are in direct contradiction to the evidence  Walt Starr   Aug-24-04 10:46 PM   #227 
   One more kick in the face of the naysayers  Walt Starr   Aug-24-04 09:08 PM   #221 
   Yes there is.  Paul_H   Aug-24-04 09:45 PM   #223 
   "There is anectdotal evidence "  RetroLounge   Aug-24-04 11:01 PM   #229 
      The point is....  Paul_H   Aug-24-04 11:49 PM   #232 
         Ol' half-a-John_H here is missing the point.  John_H   Aug-25-04 11:44 AM   #238 
   But there is some value to this thread  Paul_H   Aug-24-04 09:49 PM   #224 
      I'm still puzzled by the "TAFMS" and "TAFCS" in Box 24...  Willy Mugobeer   Aug-26-04 01:01 PM   #266 
   So what's the bottom line? Does this dog hunt?  zulchzulu   Aug-24-04 11:06 PM   #230 
   I believe I had made my case beyond a reasonable doubt in the first post  Walt Starr   Aug-25-04 12:42 AM   #233 
      Good job, Walt!  zidzi   Aug-25-04 01:28 AM   #235 
   Do you have any clue what a Unit Award is?  Billjohn   Aug-25-04 11:30 AM   #236 
   This is an Air Force unit award, not an Army unit award  Walt Starr   Aug-25-04 11:34 AM   #237 
   This thread is getting to long  Joanne98   Aug-25-04 12:15 PM   #240 
   found this page  masshole   Aug-25-04 01:28 PM   #241 
   Great job Walt. Keep digging, keep this alive.  RetroLounge   Aug-25-04 01:34 PM   #242 
   I don't know about anyone else, but  no_more_W   Aug-25-04 02:36 PM   #243 
   If the photo was doctored, the Busheviks did the doctoring  Walt Starr   Aug-25-04 02:38 PM   #244 
      no question the Busheviks would have done the doctoring  no_more_W   Aug-25-04 02:53 PM   #245 
      no question the Busheviks would have done the doctoring  no_more_W   Aug-25-04 02:56 PM   #246 
         Doctored? No. Lemme 'splain.  Pot Kettle Black   Aug-25-04 05:51 PM   #247 
            Thanks for the info!  Walt Starr   Aug-25-04 08:55 PM   #248 
   Yeah, keep digging, Walt.  Paul_H   Aug-25-04 11:36 PM   #252 
      If I were a lawyer, I'd say....  Pot Kettle Black   Aug-26-04 12:14 AM   #253 
      thanks Pot Kettle Black  no_more_W   Aug-26-04 11:19 AM   #262 
      If I were a lawyer, I'd say....  Pot Kettle Black   Aug-26-04 12:15 AM   #254 
   Additional information to be released later this afternoon  Walt Starr   Aug-26-04 09:29 AM   #256 
   The Word is out at Freepville...they are wetting themselves...  hexola   Aug-26-04 10:59 AM   #257 
   Wait until I break my information this afternoon  Walt Starr   Aug-26-04 11:03 AM   #258 
   Walt, can we start a new thread on this?  GloriaSmith   Aug-26-04 11:13 AM   #259 
   Sounds like Walt's gonna start another later today...nt  hexola   Aug-26-04 11:17 AM   #260 
   We're waiting, Walt. Great job; thank you. n/t  Kukesa   Aug-26-04 11:18 AM   #261 
   Where is this going?  npincus   Aug-26-04 06:33 PM   #274 
   It's amazing how much those idiots lurk over here and they admit it.  cat_girl25   Aug-26-04 05:36 PM   #270 
   I have learned so much from this thread.  myrna minx   Aug-26-04 01:03 PM   #267 
   Kick  Lex   Aug-26-04 05:23 PM   #268 
   *kick*  NV1962   Aug-26-04 05:28 PM   #269 
   I hope your new thread is before bedtime.  in_cog_ni_to   Aug-26-04 05:59 PM   #272 
   The whole election could hinge on this information. This may be  ArkDem   Aug-26-04 06:18 PM   #273 
      Oh, puleeze!  Paul_H   Aug-26-04 06:59 PM   #275 
 

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