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KaraokeKarlton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-04 03:17 PM
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68. Dean believes NAFTA left something crucial out
He believes that it didn't address workers rights, human rights, fair pay, the right to organize and enviornmental issues. If those issues were addressed it wouldn't benefit US companies to send their jobs overseas. It would also curb illegal immigration because people don't come to the US if they can get work in their own country that pays their bills and feeds their families. If less illegals live in the US, all those crappy jobs here that Americans won't do because they don't pay for crap will suddently pay more, include benefits and be much more palatable to US citizens.

If you toss out NAFTA and the WTO it hurts just as many workers as currently are being hurt by it not being done quite right. Are you even thinking about how many US jobs rely on exporting goods to other countries and international trade? You can't toss the baby out with the bathwater. Trade has to be sorted out so that it works as it was intended to without hemmorhaging US jobs. Dean has the right idea on how to fix it.
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  -Braun, Sharpton, and Kucinich, Dean's Nader Group liberalmike27  Jan-05-04 08:41 AM   #0 
  - A very thoughtful post.  Padraig18   Jan-05-04 08:48 AM   #1 
  - a very thoughtful post, true  mopinko   Jan-05-04 08:52 AM   #2 
  - I agree Mopinko  liberalmike27   Jan-05-04 09:37 AM   #12 
     - the candidate that is a lot like Kucinich.  bearfartinthewoods   Jan-07-04 06:47 PM   #98 
  - NO  OhioStateProgressive   Jan-05-04 08:53 AM   #3 
  - Democracy?  BeyondGeography   Jan-05-04 09:20 AM   #7 
  - Of course they should, until...  Padraig18   Jan-05-04 09:32 AM   #11 
  - but thats not what this post called for  OhioStateProgressive   Jan-05-04 09:39 AM   #13 
  - No disagreement.  Padraig18   Jan-05-04 09:41 AM   #14 
  - No, the poster was talking about Iowa, which is a caucus state  KaraokeKarlton   Jan-05-04 10:28 AM   #20 
     - Dennis can keep other candidates from getting 15%  OhioStateProgressive   Jan-05-04 10:43 AM   #23 
     - Dean is Dean, regardless of what Kucinich does  KaraokeKarlton   Jan-05-04 10:49 AM   #26 
        - as opposed to Dean who will make the war longer?  OhioStateProgressive   Jan-05-04 10:51 AM   #27 
        - Dean panders, while DK has heartfelt changes, right?  Padraig18   Jan-05-04 10:56 AM   #30 
        - i understand what you are saying  OhioStateProgressive   Jan-05-04 11:05 AM   #34 
        - I'll concede your latter point.  Padraig18   Jan-05-04 11:15 AM   #40 
        - Well said, Padraig.  diamondsoul   Jan-06-04 11:07 PM   #88 
        - Kucinich is being unrealistic about being able to get out in 90 days  KaraokeKarlton   Jan-05-04 03:08 PM   #64 
           - The gist of it is  Nadienne   Jan-05-04 03:33 PM   #75 
        - Do you live in Iowa?  Nadienne   Jan-05-04 11:03 AM   #33 
     - Isn't likely to get 15%?  Nadienne   Jan-05-04 11:00 AM   #32 
  - I'll go to the caucus  Nadienne   Jan-05-04 10:58 AM   #31 
  - Actually, Iowa caucus goers can support both of them  KaraokeKarlton   Jan-05-04 10:25 AM   # 
     - Dean supporters will also get a second choice  Nadienne   Jan-05-04 11:06 AM   #36 
     - "realistically" according to whom?  no name no slogan   Jan-05-04 12:31 PM   #46 
  - vote your heart  democraticgator   Jan-05-04 08:57 AM   #4 
  - Maybe the people in FL did know it was close and the only people who voted  AP   Jan-05-04 09:04 AM   #5 
  - nonsense  Cheswick   Jan-05-04 03:14 PM   #67 
  - Nader just called Dean a run-of-the-mill Democrat  BeyondGeography   Jan-05-04 09:10 AM   #6 
  - I would dispute the notion  Lydia Leftcoast   Jan-05-04 09:23 AM   #8 
  - Ralph Nader --  Ghost Consul   Jan-05-04 09:24 AM   #9 
  - these are the primaries  xchrom   Jan-05-04 09:27 AM   #10 
  - Haha  Tinoire   Jan-05-04 09:42 AM   #15 
  - When Dean switches from status-quo to substantive-change, then let's talk  Mairead   Jan-05-04 09:47 AM   #16 
  - Oh Dean will make changes  KaraokeKarlton   Jan-05-04 10:30 AM   #21 
  - Actually, Dean would not be my first choice  Lydia Leftcoast   Jan-05-04 10:45 AM   #25 
  - After yesterday's debate  Nadienne   Jan-05-04 01:09 PM   #55 
  - Thanks Mairead...  AnAmerican   Jan-06-04 06:47 AM   #82 
  - Um, NO, there are primaries  WhoCountsTheVotes   Jan-05-04 10:13 AM   #17 
  - If Dean was even close to Kucinich I'd support him, but he's NOT.  blm   Jan-05-04 10:20 AM   #18 
     - You know what  KaraokeKarlton   Jan-05-04 10:39 AM   #22 
        - Too many supporters of all candidates enjoy their role of victim  Padraig18   Jan-05-04 10:53 AM   #28 
        - Dean IS mean and governed as a compromising centrist.  blm   Jan-05-04 12:22 PM   #44 
           - Kerry mocked the left at the beginning of this campaign  JVS   Jan-05-04 12:58 PM   #50 
              - OMG, that's WAY worse than Dean scorning liberals for ELEVEN YEARS.  blm   Jan-05-04 03:08 PM   #65 
        - there are real reasons Dean is not like Dennis  Gretchen   Jan-05-04 02:54 PM   #62 
           - good point!  WhoCountsTheVotes   Jan-05-04 03:06 PM   #63 
  - Will caucus for DK  Ficus   Jan-05-04 10:25 AM   #19 
  - What has Gephardt done to fix NAFTA and WTO?  KaraokeKarlton   Jan-05-04 10:45 AM   #24 
  - I thought Dean  Ficus   Jan-05-04 11:12 AM   #38 
  - Dean believes NAFTA left something crucial out  KaraokeKarlton   Jan-05-04 03:17 PM   #68 
     - NAFTA cannot be meaningfully reformed  redqueen   Jan-05-04 03:26 PM   #72 
     - Not true  Gore1FL   Jan-06-04 06:29 AM   #81 
        - no, it cannot  WhoCountsTheVotes   Jan-06-04 09:07 AM   #86 
        - Ask yourself:  redqueen   Jan-07-04 12:28 PM   #93 
     - Ummmm, reality check.  AnAmerican   Jan-06-04 07:02 AM   #83 
        - "No changes can be made to NAFTA without WTO approval"  redqueen   Jan-07-04 12:31 PM   #94 
  - Gephardt has more union support  Ficus   Jan-05-04 11:14 AM   #39 
     - Dean has more than just the AFSCME and SEIU  KaraokeKarlton   Jan-05-04 03:19 PM   #69 
  - DL has a lousy record on civil rights, women and chilrens justice  Cheswick   Jan-05-04 03:24 PM   #70 
  - IA Greens: Point the gun away from your foot...  rucky   Jan-05-04 10:55 AM   #29 
  - Don't assume Dean is second choice for progressives  WhoCountsTheVotes   Jan-05-04 11:05 AM   #35 
     - Exactly  MuseRider   Jan-05-04 12:39 PM   #47 
        - He ranks below Lieberman?  JVS   Jan-05-04 01:00 PM   #51 
        - As much as I dislike  MuseRider   Jan-05-04 01:14 PM   #58 
           - Dean is last on my list because he's the MOST dishonest candidate.  blm   Jan-05-04 03:10 PM   #66 
              - Dean is tied for last with Lieberman on my list.  ThirdWheelLegend   Jan-06-04 02:07 AM   #78 
        - Ditto, Muse. We don't need Bush Lite. We especially don't need  Mairead   Jan-07-04 09:49 AM   #89 
  - Statement makes no sense  nancyharris   Jan-05-04 11:08 AM   #37 
  - Ah the transparency  Tinoire   Jan-05-04 11:44 AM   #42 
  - Likewise not, Nancy. I can't imagine what they can be smoking  Mairead   Jan-07-04 09:51 AM   #90 
  - Informed Voter  Wife_of_a_Wes_Freak   Jan-05-04 11:17 AM   #41 
  - Give me a break!  MadHound   Jan-05-04 12:04 PM   #43 
  - But if the 300,000 Dems in FL who voted for Shrub had voted for Gore...  no name no slogan   Jan-05-04 12:26 PM   #45 
  - Re IA caucus, the question is  maha   Jan-05-04 12:53 PM   #49 
  - F*!@% the polls  Nadienne   Jan-05-04 01:06 PM   #54 
  - Of course, we might be surprised.  maha   Jan-05-04 01:12 PM   #56 
     - Here's something to speculate on:  Nadienne   Jan-05-04 01:29 PM   #59 
        - A Caucus is not a primary  maha   Jan-05-04 03:25 PM   #71 
           - IF, not when  Nadienne   Jan-05-04 03:43 PM   #76 
  - Iowa 15 percent?  iowapeacechief   Jan-05-04 02:43 PM   #61 
     - Correlations  maha   Jan-05-04 03:30 PM   #73 
  - Funny, isn't it?  Nadienne   Jan-05-04 01:01 PM   #52 
  - Not sure I agree.  cyclezealot   Jan-05-04 12:53 PM   #48 
  - I'd rather sellout for kerry  corporatewhore   Jan-05-04 01:04 PM   #53 
  - got a degree in cat herding??  windansea   Jan-05-04 01:13 PM   #57 
  - How to make this short and sweet?  ThirdWheelLegend   Jan-05-04 02:36 PM   #60 
  - check this out , then try to tell me I waste a vote for DK  Desertrose   Jan-05-04 03:31 PM   #74 
  - Why waste a vote on Dean when you can vote Kucinich!  ThirdWheelLegend   Jan-06-04 02:04 AM   #77 
  - No way, Jose! Everyone should vote his/her HEART in the primary.  DemBones DemBones   Jan-06-04 03:06 AM   #79 
  - so you don't believe that Gore won FL?  Iverson   Jan-06-04 05:18 AM   #80 
  - No, thank you.  LWolf   Jan-06-04 07:12 AM   #84 
  - I too am a green who supports Dean  Polemonium   Jan-06-04 08:57 AM   #85 
  - Spreading fear should be left to Rove et al......  AnAmerican   Jan-06-04 10:59 PM   #87 
  - There is evidence that all of the campaigns have at times  Polemonium   Jan-07-04 09:57 PM   #100 
  - You can label yourself any way you want  nancyharris   Jan-07-04 12:25 PM   #92 
     - Kucinich Addressed the National Campus Greens Convention  corporatewhore   Jan-07-04 12:58 PM   #95 
     - It's not a label  Polemonium   Jan-07-04 10:25 PM   #101 
  - Dean sets off my snake oil detector  Lydia Leftcoast   Jan-07-04 11:20 AM   #91 
  - There are many who feel exactly as you do.  blm   Jan-07-04 01:19 PM   #96 
     - May I add  Lydia Leftcoast   Jan-07-04 06:30 PM   #97 
  - what took you so long?  tinanator   Jan-07-04 09:16 PM   #99 
 

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