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AZ Criminal JD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-08 05:47 PM
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47. You are wrong
As your OP says -- you don't get it. The already HAVE criminal immunity. A prosecutor can't charge someone unless they can show an intent to do the crime. It is impossible to show that here because the government asked them to do the taps. If you don't believe that just ask a defense attorney or local prosecutor. The civil immunity is very easy to get. The FISA court just rubber stamps requests from the AG.
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  -My understanding of FISA bill... tell me where I'm wrong scheming daemons  Jul-09-08 03:34 PM   #0 
  - There are trolls every where...remember that  Max_powers94   Jul-09-08 03:35 PM   #1 
  - I'm afraid you're wrong and you'd better vote McCain to make amends  JeffR   Jul-09-08 03:35 PM   #2 
  - If this is correct then I have a much better understanding of why O voted yes  underpants   Jul-09-08 03:36 PM   #3 
  - I'm disgusted by the TROLLISH behavior I'm seeing here. Unbelievable. n/t  writes3000   Jul-09-08 03:37 PM   #4 
  - Agreed. n/t  Growler   Jul-09-08 03:38 PM   #6 
  - I agree. These "apologize for caving to Bush" trolls are unbelievable...  villager   Jul-09-08 03:39 PM   #8 
  - Federal officials were already required to get FISA court approval...  Eric J in MN   Jul-09-08 03:38 PM   #5 
  - And today's bill means Bush can no longer do so.... HOW is that "gutting" the 4th amendment?  scheming daemons   Jul-09-08 03:39 PM   #7 
     - Phone companies have no motive to say No to any official...  Eric J in MN   Jul-09-08 03:43 PM   #11 
        - I thought the bill only had no RETROACTIVE immunity.... not immunity for FUTURE acts....  scheming daemons   Jul-09-08 03:46 PM   #16 
           - There's no need for future immunity...the bill immunizes the telecoms in the future  MrCoffee   Jul-09-08 03:48 PM   #18 
              - Wrong. It immunizes them for acts committed withint a certain time frame  woolldog   Jul-09-08 03:50 PM   #22 
                 - EXACTLY.  scheming daemons   Jul-09-08 03:51 PM   #23 
                 - it sets a precedent for future acts  hfojvt   Jul-09-08 04:01 PM   #33 
                 - You are right, I misspoke. Now that the surveillance orders are legal, there's no  MrCoffee   Jul-09-08 03:56 PM   #27 
                 - The bill stops states from enforcing their privacy laws.  Eric J in MN   Jul-09-08 03:58 PM   #29 
                    - There's nothing unusual about federal preemption in this area.  woolldog   Jul-09-08 04:49 PM   #42 
                       - We've had FISA since 1978 without that. NT  Eric J in MN   Jul-09-08 04:54 PM   #44 
                          - What would be the point in Congress giving the telco's immunity  woolldog   Jul-09-08 05:51 PM   #48 
                             - Telling states to stay out of phone companies and ISPs...  Eric J in MN   Jul-10-08 09:09 AM   #49 
  - Glen Greewald smacks Obama and the Dem Congressional leaders over this awful bill  Larkspur   Jul-09-08 03:42 PM   #9 
  - Unfortunately, you're wrong on #1  MrCoffee   Jul-09-08 03:43 PM   #10 
  - Isn't that better than NO FISA oversight at all? (the situation of the past year)  scheming daemons   Jul-09-08 03:44 PM   #13 
  - No, it's not...  MrCoffee   Jul-09-08 03:45 PM   #15 
     - Doesn't it force the administration to jump through a hoop, however small, that they've  scheming daemons   Jul-09-08 03:47 PM   #17 
        - But the hoop is meaningless...  MrCoffee   Jul-09-08 03:50 PM   #21 
  - The Government, However,  ribofunk   Jul-09-08 04:01 PM   #32 
  - thank you so much for clarifying!  madura   Jul-09-08 03:43 PM   #12 
  - the bellyaching is a) because evil telecoms are getting away scot free for past behavior and b)  scheming daemons   Jul-09-08 03:45 PM   #14 
  - scot free re: civil suits, not CRIMINAL suits against them, that is how i understand it. is this tru  madura   Jul-09-08 04:10 PM   #35 
  - There are Some Genuine Criticisms  ribofunk   Jul-10-08 11:19 AM   #50 
  - The Kool-Ade tastes that good , does it?  DailyGrind51   Jul-09-08 03:48 PM   #19 
  - I'm willing to be proven wrong... tell me what I got wrong, troll.....  scheming daemons   Jul-09-08 03:52 PM   #24 
  - I believe in Sen. Feingold's judgement...  Redstate Red Herring   Jul-09-08 03:50 PM   #20 
  - "The cold hard fact is that most of them knew not what they voted on"  madwivoter   Jul-09-08 03:58 PM   #30 
     - yeah, I'm aware of that..but in this instance...  Redstate Red Herring   Jul-09-08 04:10 PM   #36 
  - On Your Item #2  ribofunk   Jul-09-08 03:53 PM   #25 
  - You might want to re-think no. one.  midnight   Jul-09-08 03:54 PM   #26 
  - sorry, but wrong on a basic fact.  antifaschits   Jul-09-08 03:56 PM   #28 
  - They won't be in office in 6 months..... and we can fix this  scheming daemons   Jul-09-08 03:59 PM   #31 
  - Your 100% RIGHT!!! Most people didn't read the bill... This is why I supported Obama!!  vaberella   Jul-09-08 04:08 PM   #34 
  - There are a couple of more things  grantcart   Jul-09-08 04:11 PM   #37 
  - We will never learn about this  Mojorabbit   Jul-09-08 05:39 PM   #45 
  - So someone left the barn door open and let some horses out;  hedgehog   Jul-09-08 04:15 PM   #38 
  - You are correct. And further, congress can't alter the constitution.  TexasObserver   Jul-09-08 04:36 PM   #39 
  - YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT!!  Liberal_Stalwart71   Jul-09-08 04:37 PM   #40 
  - MSM included. The reason MSM is harping on Clinton over Obama is because they're corporate  vaberella   Jul-09-08 04:44 PM   #41 
  - Immunity  Jeff In Milwaukee   Jul-09-08 04:51 PM   #43 
  - The ACLU sums it up thusly  Mojorabbit   Jul-09-08 05:42 PM   #46 
  - You are wrong  bamalib   Jul-09-08 05:47 PM   #47 

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