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Edited on Wed Jul-09-08 03:01 PM by Phx_Dem
Hillary is the biggest panderer that ever lived. Of course she voted no, precisely I'm sure, because Obama was voting yes. She's not a Presidential nominee so she doesn't have to worry about being swiftboated as weak national security. If she were the nominee, there isn't an iota of doubt that she would have voted for it.
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| -So Senator Obama voted yes on FISA and Senator Clinton voted no? |
Seen the light |
Jul-09-08 02:29 PM |
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Jul-09-08 02:30 PM |
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Welcome to DU! |
democrattotheend |
Jul-09-08 02:30 PM |
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And farewell. n/t |
LowerManhattanite |
Jul-09-08 02:39 PM |
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Smart politics on her part |
democrattotheend |
Jul-09-08 02:30 PM |
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agree. nm |
TeamJordan23 |
Jul-09-08 02:31 PM |
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Go Hillary! |
leftofcool |
Jul-09-08 02:30 PM |
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Jul-09-08 02:31 PM |
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I love Hillary. |
emilyg |
Jul-09-08 07:28 PM |
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Clinton is not running for anything. She doesn't matter now. If the situation was |
wienerdoggie |
Jul-09-08 02:31 PM |
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Either way, we are all losers. |
FredfromSpace |
Jul-09-08 02:32 PM |
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Somehow, we shall go on. |
wienerdoggie |
Jul-09-08 02:33 PM |
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I fear this plays into the Puke's hands more than a YEs would have |
FredfromSpace |
Jul-09-08 03:26 PM |
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Obama voted against telecom immunity, but refused to obstruct final passage |
wienerdoggie |
Jul-09-08 03:28 PM |
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He also promised to support a filibuster. |
FredfromSpace |
Jul-09-08 03:31 PM |
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So, you hope he loses? Is that what you mean by "haunt him"? |
wienerdoggie |
Jul-09-08 03:34 PM |
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I still hope he wins |
FredfromSpace |
Jul-09-08 03:43 PM |
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Calling him "lousy" and "half-assed"--Free Republic is that-a-way. |
wienerdoggie |
Jul-09-08 03:45 PM |
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Who Are the Brain Police? |
FredfromSpace |
Jul-09-08 04:08 PM |
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Which is voting for the war after voting against it. |
nosmokes |
Jul-09-08 04:08 PM |
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But isn't she still angling to be on the ticket? |
Seen the light |
Jul-09-08 02:33 PM |
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If that's the case |
gateley |
Jul-09-08 03:35 PM |
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Is your post |
BOSSHOG |
Jul-09-08 02:36 PM |
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Yep--he would have voted differently, if he didn't have the welfare of the entire Democratic party, |
wienerdoggie |
Jul-09-08 02:38 PM |
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I still don't see how a "no" vote would have been so damning come November |
Seen the light |
Jul-09-08 02:40 PM |
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Ad: "Barack Obama voted NO on spying on foreign terrorists--will he keep America safe?" |
wienerdoggie |
Jul-09-08 02:43 PM |
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But McCain missed the vote completely |
Seen the light |
Jul-09-08 02:57 PM |
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You are counting on the media to inform people that McCain didn't bother? |
wienerdoggie |
Jul-09-08 02:59 PM |
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I don't know? Skip the media completely and put it in a response ad? |
Seen the light |
Jul-09-08 03:09 PM |
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I think she voted against it because she has NO upcoming elections-- |
wienerdoggie |
Jul-09-08 03:11 PM |
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So the only reason for dems to vote like dems is if they're up for re-election? Pathetic. |
LVjinx |
Jul-10-08 03:09 AM |
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McCain has missed more votes than Obama but the talking point is *only* about Obama's missed votes. |
SemiCharmedQuark |
Jul-09-08 03:00 PM |
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you are correct |
comradebillyboy |
Jul-09-08 03:52 PM |
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So after he gets the nomination |
BOSSHOG |
Jul-09-08 02:46 PM |
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Why are so many people bringing Teh Stoopid today? |
wienerdoggie |
Jul-09-08 02:49 PM |
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I have no idea Wiener |
BOSSHOG |
Jul-09-08 02:53 PM |
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Guess what, WD? |
Pigwidgeon |
Jul-09-08 02:39 PM |
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No equivalence between allowing the FISA bill to pass and giving Bush |
wienerdoggie |
Jul-09-08 02:41 PM |
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Please tell me why |
polmaven |
Jul-09-08 03:14 PM |
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Eat your nice rhubarb |
JoFerret |
Jul-10-08 04:56 AM |
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Obama is running for president. Senator Clinton is not. |
SemiCharmedQuark |
Jul-09-08 02:31 PM |
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Especially if there is another "terrorist" attack. |
Drunken Irishman |
Jul-09-08 02:33 PM |
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Hmmm |
leftynyc |
Jul-09-08 02:34 PM |
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FISA is going to kill thousands of people, including our soldiers, and cost |
wienerdoggie |
Jul-09-08 02:35 PM |
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Oh - I get it |
leftynyc |
Jul-09-08 02:53 PM |
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This bill won't destroy the country. Please. It's not perfect, it may have |
wienerdoggie |
Jul-09-08 02:58 PM |
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You honestly don't see how this |
leftynyc |
Jul-09-08 03:00 PM |
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I repeat: One foreign surveillance bill will not destroy the country. |
wienerdoggie |
Jul-09-08 03:04 PM |
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ACLU plans to fight it anyway after Bush OKs it. |
Radio_Lady |
Jul-09-08 03:07 PM |
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Obama is the presumptive nominee, not a primary contender? |
SemiCharmedQuark |
Jul-09-08 02:36 PM |
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I'm voting for Sen Obama regardless |
leftynyc |
Jul-09-08 02:51 PM |
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Maybe she is smarter now. |
Redbear |
Jul-09-08 02:37 PM |
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True dat |
leftynyc |
Jul-09-08 02:49 PM |
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Yeah, she is smarter |
merh |
Jul-09-08 03:00 PM |
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It's irrelevant but voting for a bill you didn't read is quite different |
OhioBlues |
Jul-09-08 02:39 PM |
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Will people be more forgiving of the |
leftynyc |
Jul-09-08 02:48 PM |
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I would. I don't know about others. |
OhioBlues |
Jul-09-08 02:59 PM |
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If it is irrelevant |
polmaven |
Jul-09-08 03:16 PM |
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For the same reason you thought to reply to me I suspect. nt |
OhioBlues |
Jul-09-08 05:34 PM |
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If Hillary was "running for President" in 2002 |
newmajority |
Jul-09-08 02:48 PM |
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Oh - so that's what matters |
leftynyc |
Jul-09-08 02:54 PM |
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You're the one making that argument, not me. |
newmajority |
Jul-09-08 03:21 PM |
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Not really |
leftynyc |
Jul-09-08 03:37 PM |
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But Clinton co-sponsored |
Marie26 |
Jul-09-08 02:50 PM |
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dupe. nt |
Marie26 |
Jul-09-08 02:50 PM |
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Someone's running for President in 2008 |
BeyondGeography |
Jul-09-08 02:31 PM |
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Jul-09-08 02:33 PM |
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Right, Mr. 8 posts |
BeyondGeography |
Jul-09-08 02:34 PM |
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Obama voted against the war in Iraq, Hillary votef for it---when was she always fighting for us?! |
vaberella |
Jul-09-08 02:35 PM |
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He did not vote against it. He spoke out against it. |
SemiCharmedQuark |
Jul-09-08 02:37 PM |
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He was a legislator in Illinois |
polmaven |
Jul-09-08 03:18 PM |
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Well, this way Obama can have it both ways |
mvd |
Jul-09-08 02:33 PM |
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I don't think so |
liberal1973 |
Jul-09-08 02:35 PM |
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What I mean is it could be smart framing of the message |
mvd |
Jul-09-08 02:38 PM |
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Yeah, sort of like voting "present". nt |
Marie26 |
Jul-09-08 02:52 PM |
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I think that's a misunderstanding of how the "present" vote works in Illinois. |
SemiCharmedQuark |
Jul-09-08 02:53 PM |
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Perhaps. But the larger point stands. |
Marie26 |
Jul-09-08 02:54 PM |
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That strategy was proposed by the Illinois Planned Parenthood. They asked Obama to vote that way. |
SemiCharmedQuark |
Jul-09-08 02:59 PM |
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Hi, SCQ! |
mvd |
Jul-09-08 03:08 PM |
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Yeah, it is a bad bill |
SemiCharmedQuark |
Jul-09-08 03:34 PM |
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Clinton is running for 2012. |
cryingshame |
Jul-09-08 02:33 PM |
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She's always been Pro-War and commended McCain. If the shoe was on the other foot |
vaberella |
Jul-09-08 02:34 PM |
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you and me both |
helderheid |
Jul-09-08 02:34 PM |
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I don't know why that surprises you. n/t |
LWolf |
Jul-09-08 02:35 PM |
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For one, she did not even vote on the Dodd amendment back in February |
democrattotheend |
Jul-09-08 02:37 PM |
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she hasn't been silent on the issue |
paulk |
Jul-09-08 02:41 PM |
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You know, |
LWolf |
Jul-09-08 02:44 PM |
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Just give her the credit due her and move on |
Tom Rinaldo |
Jul-09-08 02:46 PM |
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I said she deserves credit for her vote today |
democrattotheend |
Jul-09-08 02:50 PM |
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You're being fair about it |
Tom Rinaldo |
Jul-09-08 02:58 PM |
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And you are getting your |
polmaven |
Jul-09-08 03:23 PM |
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Who's Kreskin the Magnificent? |
democrattotheend |
Jul-09-08 04:12 PM |
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Oh, I guess I'm a little older than you are... |
polmaven |
Jul-09-08 05:09 PM |
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Once again-a vote for political reasons-just like her vote for the IWR and K/L... |
jenmito |
Jul-09-08 02:35 PM |
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That's my thinking |
democrattotheend |
Jul-09-08 02:38 PM |
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Yup... |
jenmito |
Jul-09-08 02:41 PM |
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Oh, Hillary's vote was for poltical reasons? |
Skip Intro |
Jul-09-08 02:46 PM |
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Of course it was! And as suspected, they're now talking about it on MSNBC about how |
jenmito |
Jul-09-08 02:55 PM |
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Are you actually blaming Hillary for Obama's vote? |
Skip Intro |
Jul-09-08 03:02 PM |
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I'm blaming her for causing more reason to keep our party divided. |
jenmito |
Jul-09-08 03:07 PM |
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So she should have voted the |
leftynyc |
Jul-09-08 03:11 PM |
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She should've not voted at all. For the good of the party. |
jenmito |
Jul-09-08 03:14 PM |
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Okay - I think I get it now |
leftynyc |
Jul-09-08 03:17 PM |
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Not all of them-just Hillary-who's supposedly trying to unite her voters with his. |
jenmito |
Jul-09-08 03:20 PM |
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I can't believe you mean this |
leftynyc |
Jul-09-08 03:34 PM |
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She knew it would pass anyway. I'm one of her constituents, too, and I'm |
jenmito |
Jul-09-08 03:37 PM |
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So now voting the right was is |
leftynyc |
Jul-09-08 03:39 PM |
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Why are you having trouble? She, like Obama, voted to strip immunity out of the bill... |
jenmito |
Jul-09-08 03:43 PM |
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Don't even try to understand. |
polmaven |
Jul-09-08 05:24 PM |
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Tell her you're voting for Lee Mercer, Jr. and see what happens |
LostinVA |
Jul-09-08 05:30 PM |
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Are you for real????????? |
Beacool |
Jul-09-08 10:55 PM |
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Senator Clinton voted correctly. If it makes Obama look like an ass, whose fault is that? |
LVjinx |
Jul-10-08 03:14 AM |
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And now we finally know that if Obama was in the Senate he |
HopeLives |
Jul-09-08 02:46 PM |
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No we DON'T know that. He spoke out against it while he was in the IL Senate and was about to run |
jenmito |
Jul-09-08 02:57 PM |
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Yes and then he gave him self some wiggle room in 2004, |
HopeLives |
Jul-09-08 03:14 PM |
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No he didn't. He was protecting Kerry and Edwards, who both voted FOR it-and he was the keynote |
jenmito |
Jul-09-08 03:18 PM |
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You're seriously wrong, and walking on thin ice with that suggestion... |
NYC_SKP |
Jul-09-08 03:25 PM |
#128 |
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... |
jenmito |
Jul-09-08 03:39 PM |
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What fucking nonsense |
leftynyc |
Jul-09-08 03:10 PM |
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No, I'm NOT saying his vote wasn't political. He's the nominee. |
jenmito |
Jul-09-08 03:13 PM |
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And if she doesn't believe in it |
polmaven |
Jul-09-08 03:25 PM |
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Obama had to vote "yes". The dems were complicit in crime. |
wurzel |
Jul-09-08 02:37 PM |
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Oh yes, if the Democrats stood for the right position, it would have.. |
mvd |
Jul-09-08 02:39 PM |
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get used to it... |
paulk |
Jul-09-08 02:38 PM |
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She's no longer running for president |
larissa |
Jul-09-08 02:42 PM |
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Whe he becomes President, we will certainly be more vocal |
mvd |
Jul-09-08 02:46 PM |
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Jul-09-08 02:48 PM |
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Regardless of whether DU'ers agree or disagree.. |
larissa |
Jul-09-08 03:07 PM |
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your post was not relevant to mine |
paulk |
Jul-09-08 07:26 PM |
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That's right, Obama voted yes. That's what's important. |
The_Casual_Observer |
Jul-09-08 02:39 PM |
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Vote for Obama anyway |
Pigwidgeon |
Jul-09-08 02:40 PM |
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Good luck cracking that whip. :/ |
Bluebear |
Jul-09-08 02:53 PM |
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The whip has no effect it seems...nt |
cags |
Jul-09-08 02:53 PM |
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We don't have any other choice. |
The_Casual_Observer |
Jul-09-08 02:57 PM |
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Sigh..... I miss Hillary nt |
cags |
Jul-09-08 02:48 PM |
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And that's why she voted against it-for that very reaction-to keep party DISunity. |
jenmito |
Jul-09-08 02:59 PM |
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I don't think so. Voting *no* was the right vote, IMHO. |
SemiCharmedQuark |
Jul-09-08 03:02 PM |
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I agree... but I'm sure Barack thinks he did the right thing too |
cags |
Jul-09-08 03:05 PM |
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Yes, it was-for the wrong reasons IMHO. |
jenmito |
Jul-09-08 03:08 PM |
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It was totally inconsistent with her previous voting record and totally consistent with Clintonian |
cryingshame |
Jul-09-08 03:12 PM |
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Perhaps you can link us to this previous position? I know you aren't just making it up. |
LVjinx |
Jul-10-08 03:20 AM |
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No disunity... It won't change my vote... but you can't be happy with everything |
cags |
Jul-09-08 03:03 PM |
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It won't change YOUR vote, but it can give Hillary supporters another excuse NOT to vote for him |
jenmito |
Jul-09-08 03:10 PM |
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Did they need another excuse? I don't think so |
cags |
Jul-09-08 03:11 PM |
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No, but this IS another excuse. |
jenmito |
Jul-09-08 03:22 PM |
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Exactly. Political expediency, even i f it means ..... |
nomaco-10 |
Jul-09-08 03:04 PM |
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Bullshit! |
polmaven |
Jul-09-08 03:29 PM |
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Oh yeah, Obama casts the wrong vote, but it's Hillary's fault. |
Beacool |
Jul-09-08 10:59 PM |
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Hasn't Hillary always said she'd vote against it? Obama is responsible for his own vote. |
LVjinx |
Jul-10-08 03:19 AM |
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Unbelievable |
romana |
Jul-10-08 04:02 AM |
#179 |
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Me too!!!!!!!!! |
Beacool |
Jul-09-08 10:58 PM |
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Mine has simply been confirmed. |
jobycom |
Jul-09-08 02:54 PM |
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If I was running, I would have voted no |
mvd |
Jul-09-08 02:57 PM |
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I understand why he did it, and don't really dislike him for it. |
jobycom |
Jul-09-08 03:12 PM |
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What does that mean? Obama was and still is the better candidate. |
ProSense |
Jul-09-08 02:54 PM |
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No surprise there. |
Phx_Dem |
Jul-09-08 02:56 PM |
#72 |
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She deserves credit for her vote today |
democrattotheend |
Jul-09-08 03:01 PM |
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That's how I see it |
mvd |
Jul-09-08 03:04 PM |
#94 |
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self-delete |
jenmito |
Jul-09-08 03:01 PM |
#86 |
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Well....David is wrong on this one |
prodn2000 |
Jul-09-08 03:02 PM |
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I know-which is why I deleted it. |
jenmito |
Jul-09-08 03:06 PM |
#97 |
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this thread is kind of hilarious. I'm sure there are some lurking freepers who are laughing. |
ErinBerin84 |
Jul-09-08 03:03 PM |
#91 |
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"sewer" was more the word I had in mind. |
bunnies |
Jul-09-08 03:08 PM |
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Jul-09-08 03:18 PM |
#119 |
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Make no mistake. A vote for Nader is a vote for McCain. n/t |
elkston |
Jul-09-08 03:22 PM |
#123 |
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No- a vote for Nader-is a VOTE FOR NADER- no more elitist corporatists thanks |
biglake |
Jul-09-08 03:27 PM |
#130 |
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Alerted. n/t |
jenmito |
Jul-09-08 03:30 PM |
#133 |
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If so, you can no longer be a member of the DU. Read the rules. n/t |
jenmito |
Jul-09-08 03:23 PM |
#125 |
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Your threat is perfect jenmito |
biglake |
Jul-09-08 03:32 PM |
#135 |
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It's not a threat. It's a fact: |
jenmito |
Jul-09-08 03:33 PM |
#136 |
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May not post threats to vote 3rd party on DU? 1st time. I am sure Obama relies on that crap too. |
biglake |
Jul-09-08 03:39 PM |
#146 |
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Enjoy your stay here-no matter how short it may be. |
jenmito |
Jul-09-08 03:47 PM |
#151 |
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And Lee Mercer, Jr. -- I heard Skinner changed the rules just for Mercenaries |
LostinVA |
Jul-09-08 05:32 PM |
#161 |
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Nader? This should end well... n/t |
LowerManhattanite |
Jul-09-08 05:27 PM |
#159 |
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Maybe it already HAS ended well. |
jenmito |
Jul-09-08 05:50 PM |
#163 |
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Yeesh! I go down to the gym for a jog and a carrot juice... |
LowerManhattanite |
Jul-09-08 07:50 PM |
#167 |
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Ya got THAT right! |
jenmito |
Jul-09-08 07:56 PM |
#168 |
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“Why mah dear” (Best Tennessee Williams character voice)... |
LowerManhattanite |
Jul-09-08 08:03 PM |
#169 |
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... |
jenmito |
Jul-09-08 08:17 PM |
#170 |
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Maybe she's learned that centrist voting didn't get her anywhere. |
kerry-is-my-prez |
Jul-09-08 03:34 PM |
#138 |
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props from this Obama supporter for HRC! |
dmsRoar |
Jul-09-08 03:36 PM |
#142 |
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Well, finally! |
polmaven |
Jul-09-08 03:51 PM |
#152 |
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Thank you. |
emilyg |
Jul-09-08 07:30 PM |
#166 |
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Go Hillary!!!!!!!!!! |
Beacool |
Jul-09-08 10:47 PM |
#171 |
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