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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-08 02:31 PM
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5. Clinton is not running for anything. She doesn't matter now. If the situation was
reversed, I guaran-damn-tee you that Little Miss Obliterate Iran would have voted for it to prove her manliness, just like she did with the IWR.
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  -So Senator Obama voted yes on FISA and Senator Clinton voted no? Seen the light  Jul-09-08 02:29 PM   #0 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-09-08 02:30 PM   #1 
  - Welcome to DU!  democrattotheend   Jul-09-08 02:30 PM   #4 
  - And farewell. n/t  LowerManhattanite   Jul-09-08 02:39 PM   #35 
  - Smart politics on her part  democrattotheend   Jul-09-08 02:30 PM   #2 
  - agree. nm  TeamJordan23   Jul-09-08 02:31 PM   #8 
  - Go Hillary!  leftofcool   Jul-09-08 02:30 PM   #3 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Jul-09-08 02:31 PM   #6 
  - I love Hillary.  emilyg   Jul-09-08 07:28 PM   #165 
  - Clinton is not running for anything. She doesn't matter now. If the situation was  wienerdoggie   Jul-09-08 02:31 PM   #5 
  - Either way, we are all losers.  FredfromSpace   Jul-09-08 02:32 PM   #10 
  - Somehow, we shall go on.  wienerdoggie   Jul-09-08 02:33 PM   #11 
     - I fear this plays into the Puke's hands more than a YEs would have  FredfromSpace   Jul-09-08 03:26 PM   #129 
        - Obama voted against telecom immunity, but refused to obstruct final passage  wienerdoggie   Jul-09-08 03:28 PM   #131 
           - He also promised to support a filibuster.  FredfromSpace   Jul-09-08 03:31 PM   #134 
           - So, you hope he loses? Is that what you mean by "haunt him"?  wienerdoggie   Jul-09-08 03:34 PM   #137 
              - I still hope he wins  FredfromSpace   Jul-09-08 03:43 PM   #149 
                 - Calling him "lousy" and "half-assed"--Free Republic is that-a-way.  wienerdoggie   Jul-09-08 03:45 PM   #150 
                    - Who Are the Brain Police?  FredfromSpace   Jul-09-08 04:08 PM   #154 
           - Which is voting for the war after voting against it.  nosmokes   Jul-09-08 04:08 PM   #155 
  - But isn't she still angling to be on the ticket?  Seen the light   Jul-09-08 02:33 PM   #14 
  - If that's the case  gateley   Jul-09-08 03:35 PM   #141 
  - Is your post  BOSSHOG   Jul-09-08 02:36 PM   #26 
  - Yep--he would have voted differently, if he didn't have the welfare of the entire Democratic party,  wienerdoggie   Jul-09-08 02:38 PM   #32 
     - I still don't see how a "no" vote would have been so damning come November  Seen the light   Jul-09-08 02:40 PM   #39 
     - Ad: "Barack Obama voted NO on spying on foreign terrorists--will he keep America safe?"  wienerdoggie   Jul-09-08 02:43 PM   #45 
     - But McCain missed the vote completely  Seen the light   Jul-09-08 02:57 PM   #74 
        - You are counting on the media to inform people that McCain didn't bother?  wienerdoggie   Jul-09-08 02:59 PM   #81 
        - I don't know? Skip the media completely and put it in a response ad?  Seen the light   Jul-09-08 03:09 PM   #104 
           - I think she voted against it because she has NO upcoming elections--  wienerdoggie   Jul-09-08 03:11 PM   #108 
              - So the only reason for dems to vote like dems is if they're up for re-election? Pathetic.  LVjinx   Jul-10-08 03:09 AM   #175 
        - McCain has missed more votes than Obama but the talking point is *only* about Obama's missed votes.  SemiCharmedQuark   Jul-09-08 03:00 PM   #85 
     - you are correct  comradebillyboy   Jul-09-08 03:52 PM   #153 
     - So after he gets the nomination  BOSSHOG   Jul-09-08 02:46 PM   #51 
        - Why are so many people bringing Teh Stoopid today?  wienerdoggie   Jul-09-08 02:49 PM   #56 
           - I have no idea Wiener  BOSSHOG   Jul-09-08 02:53 PM   #63 
  - Guess what, WD?  Pigwidgeon   Jul-09-08 02:39 PM   # 
  - No equivalence between allowing the FISA bill to pass and giving Bush  wienerdoggie   Jul-09-08 02:41 PM   #43 
  - Please tell me why  polmaven   Jul-09-08 03:14 PM   #113 
  - Eat your nice rhubarb  JoFerret   Jul-10-08 04:56 AM   #180 
  - Obama is running for president. Senator Clinton is not.  SemiCharmedQuark   Jul-09-08 02:31 PM   #7 
  - Especially if there is another "terrorist" attack.  Drunken Irishman   Jul-09-08 02:33 PM   #13 
  - Hmmm  leftynyc   Jul-09-08 02:34 PM   #17 
  - FISA is going to kill thousands of people, including our soldiers, and cost  wienerdoggie   Jul-09-08 02:35 PM   #21 
  - Oh - I get it  leftynyc   Jul-09-08 02:53 PM   #62 
     - This bill won't destroy the country. Please. It's not perfect, it may have  wienerdoggie   Jul-09-08 02:58 PM   #78 
        - You honestly don't see how this  leftynyc   Jul-09-08 03:00 PM   #84 
           - I repeat: One foreign surveillance bill will not destroy the country.  wienerdoggie   Jul-09-08 03:04 PM   #93 
              - ACLU plans to fight it anyway after Bush OKs it.  Radio_Lady   Jul-09-08 03:07 PM   #100 
  - Obama is the presumptive nominee, not a primary contender?  SemiCharmedQuark   Jul-09-08 02:36 PM   #27 
  - I'm voting for Sen Obama regardless  leftynyc   Jul-09-08 02:51 PM   #60 
  - Maybe she is smarter now.  Redbear   Jul-09-08 02:37 PM   #30 
  - True dat  leftynyc   Jul-09-08 02:49 PM   #57 
  - Yeah, she is smarter  merh   Jul-09-08 03:00 PM   #83 
  - It's irrelevant but voting for a bill you didn't read is quite different  OhioBlues   Jul-09-08 02:39 PM   #36 
  - Will people be more forgiving of the  leftynyc   Jul-09-08 02:48 PM   #55 
  - I would. I don't know about others.  OhioBlues   Jul-09-08 02:59 PM   #82 
  - If it is irrelevant  polmaven   Jul-09-08 03:16 PM   #116 
     - For the same reason you thought to reply to me I suspect. nt  OhioBlues   Jul-09-08 05:34 PM   #162 
  - If Hillary was "running for President" in 2002  newmajority   Jul-09-08 02:48 PM   #54 
     - Oh - so that's what matters  leftynyc   Jul-09-08 02:54 PM   #68 
        - You're the one making that argument, not me.  newmajority   Jul-09-08 03:21 PM   #122 
           - Not really  leftynyc   Jul-09-08 03:37 PM   #143 
  - But Clinton co-sponsored  Marie26   Jul-09-08 02:50 PM   # 
  - dupe. nt  Marie26   Jul-09-08 02:50 PM   #58 
  - Someone's running for President in 2008  BeyondGeography   Jul-09-08 02:31 PM   #9 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-09-08 02:33 PM   #12 
     - Right, Mr. 8 posts  BeyondGeography   Jul-09-08 02:34 PM   #19 
     - Obama voted against the war in Iraq, Hillary votef for it---when was she always fighting for us?!  vaberella   Jul-09-08 02:35 PM   #25 
        - He did not vote against it. He spoke out against it.  SemiCharmedQuark   Jul-09-08 02:37 PM   # 
        - He was a legislator in Illinois  polmaven   Jul-09-08 03:18 PM   #120 
  - Well, this way Obama can have it both ways  mvd   Jul-09-08 02:33 PM   #15 
  - I don't think so  liberal1973   Jul-09-08 02:35 PM   #22 
  - What I mean is it could be smart framing of the message  mvd   Jul-09-08 02:38 PM   #33 
  - Yeah, sort of like voting "present". nt  Marie26   Jul-09-08 02:52 PM   #61 
     - I think that's a misunderstanding of how the "present" vote works in Illinois.  SemiCharmedQuark   Jul-09-08 02:53 PM   #65 
        - Perhaps. But the larger point stands.  Marie26   Jul-09-08 02:54 PM   #69 
           - That strategy was proposed by the Illinois Planned Parenthood. They asked Obama to vote that way.  SemiCharmedQuark   Jul-09-08 02:59 PM   #79 
              - Hi, SCQ!  mvd   Jul-09-08 03:08 PM   #101 
                 - Yeah, it is a bad bill  SemiCharmedQuark   Jul-09-08 03:34 PM   #140 
  - Clinton is running for 2012.  cryingshame   Jul-09-08 02:33 PM   #16 
  - She's always been Pro-War and commended McCain. If the shoe was on the other foot  vaberella   Jul-09-08 02:34 PM   #18 
  - you and me both  helderheid   Jul-09-08 02:34 PM   #20 
  - I don't know why that surprises you. n/t  LWolf   Jul-09-08 02:35 PM   #23 
  - For one, she did not even vote on the Dodd amendment back in February  democrattotheend   Jul-09-08 02:37 PM   #28 
     - she hasn't been silent on the issue  paulk   Jul-09-08 02:41 PM   #42 
     - You know,  LWolf   Jul-09-08 02:44 PM   #46 
     - Just give her the credit due her and move on  Tom Rinaldo   Jul-09-08 02:46 PM   #48 
        - I said she deserves credit for her vote today  democrattotheend   Jul-09-08 02:50 PM   #59 
           - You're being fair about it  Tom Rinaldo   Jul-09-08 02:58 PM   #77 
           - And you are getting your  polmaven   Jul-09-08 03:23 PM   #126 
              - Who's Kreskin the Magnificent?  democrattotheend   Jul-09-08 04:12 PM   #156 
                 - Oh, I guess I'm a little older than you are...  polmaven   Jul-09-08 05:09 PM   #157 
  - Once again-a vote for political reasons-just like her vote for the IWR and K/L...  jenmito   Jul-09-08 02:35 PM   #24 
  - That's my thinking  democrattotheend   Jul-09-08 02:38 PM   #31 
  - Yup...  jenmito   Jul-09-08 02:41 PM   #41 
  - Oh, Hillary's vote was for poltical reasons?  Skip Intro   Jul-09-08 02:46 PM   #49 
  - Of course it was! And as suspected, they're now talking about it on MSNBC about how  jenmito   Jul-09-08 02:55 PM   #71 
     - Are you actually blaming Hillary for Obama's vote?  Skip Intro   Jul-09-08 03:02 PM   #90 
        - I'm blaming her for causing more reason to keep our party divided.  jenmito   Jul-09-08 03:07 PM   #99 
           - So she should have voted the  leftynyc   Jul-09-08 03:11 PM   #107 
           - She should've not voted at all. For the good of the party.  jenmito   Jul-09-08 03:14 PM   #114 
              - Okay - I think I get it now  leftynyc   Jul-09-08 03:17 PM   #117 
                 - Not all of them-just Hillary-who's supposedly trying to unite her voters with his.  jenmito   Jul-09-08 03:20 PM   #121 
                    - I can't believe you mean this  leftynyc   Jul-09-08 03:34 PM   #139 
                       - She knew it would pass anyway. I'm one of her constituents, too, and I'm  jenmito   Jul-09-08 03:37 PM   #144 
                          - So now voting the right was is  leftynyc   Jul-09-08 03:39 PM   #145 
                             - Why are you having trouble? She, like Obama, voted to strip immunity out of the bill...  jenmito   Jul-09-08 03:43 PM   #148 
                             - Don't even try to understand.  polmaven   Jul-09-08 05:24 PM   #158 
                             - Tell her you're voting for Lee Mercer, Jr. and see what happens  LostinVA   Jul-09-08 05:30 PM   #160 
           - Are you for real?????????  Beacool   Jul-09-08 10:55 PM   #172 
           - Senator Clinton voted correctly. If it makes Obama look like an ass, whose fault is that?  LVjinx   Jul-10-08 03:14 AM   #176 
  - And now we finally know that if Obama was in the Senate he  HopeLives   Jul-09-08 02:46 PM   #50 
  - No we DON'T know that. He spoke out against it while he was in the IL Senate and was about to run  jenmito   Jul-09-08 02:57 PM   #76 
  - Yes and then he gave him self some wiggle room in 2004,  HopeLives   Jul-09-08 03:14 PM   #115 
     - No he didn't. He was protecting Kerry and Edwards, who both voted FOR it-and he was the keynote  jenmito   Jul-09-08 03:18 PM   #118 
  - You're seriously wrong, and walking on thin ice with that suggestion...  NYC_SKP   Jul-09-08 03:25 PM   #128 
     - ...  jenmito   Jul-09-08 03:39 PM   #147 
  - What fucking nonsense  leftynyc   Jul-09-08 03:10 PM   #105 
  - No, I'm NOT saying his vote wasn't political. He's the nominee.  jenmito   Jul-09-08 03:13 PM   #112 
  - And if she doesn't believe in it  polmaven   Jul-09-08 03:25 PM   #127 
  - Obama had to vote "yes". The dems were complicit in crime.  wurzel   Jul-09-08 02:37 PM   #29 
  - Oh yes, if the Democrats stood for the right position, it would have..  mvd   Jul-09-08 02:39 PM   #37 
  - get used to it...  paulk   Jul-09-08 02:38 PM   #34 
  - She's no longer running for president  larissa   Jul-09-08 02:42 PM   #44 
     - Whe he becomes President, we will certainly be more vocal  mvd   Jul-09-08 02:46 PM   #47 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-09-08 02:48 PM   #52 
        - Regardless of whether DU'ers agree or disagree..  larissa   Jul-09-08 03:07 PM   #98 
           - your post was not relevant to mine  paulk   Jul-09-08 07:26 PM   #164 
  - That's right, Obama voted yes. That's what's important.  The_Casual_Observer   Jul-09-08 02:39 PM   #38 
  - Vote for Obama anyway  Pigwidgeon   Jul-09-08 02:40 PM   #40 
     - Good luck cracking that whip. :/  Bluebear   Jul-09-08 02:53 PM   #64 
     - The whip has no effect it seems...nt  cags   Jul-09-08 02:53 PM   #66 
     - We don't have any other choice.  The_Casual_Observer   Jul-09-08 02:57 PM   #75 
  - Sigh..... I miss Hillary nt  cags   Jul-09-08 02:48 PM   #53 
  - And that's why she voted against it-for that very reaction-to keep party DISunity.  jenmito   Jul-09-08 02:59 PM   #80 
  - I don't think so. Voting *no* was the right vote, IMHO.  SemiCharmedQuark   Jul-09-08 03:02 PM   #88 
  - I agree... but I'm sure Barack thinks he did the right thing too  cags   Jul-09-08 03:05 PM   #96 
  - Yes, it was-for the wrong reasons IMHO.  jenmito   Jul-09-08 03:08 PM   #102 
  - It was totally inconsistent with her previous voting record and totally consistent with Clintonian  cryingshame   Jul-09-08 03:12 PM   #111 
     - Perhaps you can link us to this previous position? I know you aren't just making it up.  LVjinx   Jul-10-08 03:20 AM   #178 
  - No disunity... It won't change my vote... but you can't be happy with everything  cags   Jul-09-08 03:03 PM   #92 
  - It won't change YOUR vote, but it can give Hillary supporters another excuse NOT to vote for him  jenmito   Jul-09-08 03:10 PM   #106 
     - Did they need another excuse? I don't think so  cags   Jul-09-08 03:11 PM   #109 
        - No, but this IS another excuse.  jenmito   Jul-09-08 03:22 PM   #124 
  - Exactly. Political expediency, even i f it means .....  nomaco-10   Jul-09-08 03:04 PM   #95 
  - Bullshit!  polmaven   Jul-09-08 03:29 PM   #132 
  - Oh yeah, Obama casts the wrong vote, but it's Hillary's fault.  Beacool   Jul-09-08 10:59 PM   #174 
  - Hasn't Hillary always said she'd vote against it? Obama is responsible for his own vote.  LVjinx   Jul-10-08 03:19 AM   #177 
  - Unbelievable  romana   Jul-10-08 04:02 AM   #179 
  - Me too!!!!!!!!!  Beacool   Jul-09-08 10:58 PM   #173 
  - Mine has simply been confirmed.  jobycom   Jul-09-08 02:54 PM   #67 
  - If I was running, I would have voted no  mvd   Jul-09-08 02:57 PM   #73 
     - I understand why he did it, and don't really dislike him for it.  jobycom   Jul-09-08 03:12 PM   #110 
  - What does that mean? Obama was and still is the better candidate.  ProSense   Jul-09-08 02:54 PM   #70 
  - No surprise there.  Phx_Dem   Jul-09-08 02:56 PM   #72 
  - She deserves credit for her vote today  democrattotheend   Jul-09-08 03:01 PM   #87 
     - That's how I see it  mvd   Jul-09-08 03:04 PM   #94 
  - self-delete  jenmito   Jul-09-08 03:01 PM   #86 
  - Well....David is wrong on this one  prodn2000   Jul-09-08 03:02 PM   #89 
     - I know-which is why I deleted it.  jenmito   Jul-09-08 03:06 PM   #97 
  - this thread is kind of hilarious. I'm sure there are some lurking freepers who are laughing.  ErinBerin84   Jul-09-08 03:03 PM   #91 
  - "sewer" was more the word I had in mind.  bunnies   Jul-09-08 03:08 PM   #103 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-09-08 03:18 PM   #119 
  - Make no mistake. A vote for Nader is a vote for McCain. n/t  elkston   Jul-09-08 03:22 PM   #123 
  - No- a vote for Nader-is a VOTE FOR NADER- no more elitist corporatists thanks  biglake   Jul-09-08 03:27 PM   #130 
     - Alerted. n/t  jenmito   Jul-09-08 03:30 PM   #133 
  - If so, you can no longer be a member of the DU. Read the rules. n/t  jenmito   Jul-09-08 03:23 PM   #125 
  - Your threat is perfect jenmito  biglake   Jul-09-08 03:32 PM   #135 
     - It's not a threat. It's a fact:  jenmito   Jul-09-08 03:33 PM   #136 
        - May not post threats to vote 3rd party on DU? 1st time. I am sure Obama relies on that crap too.  biglake   Jul-09-08 03:39 PM   #146 
        - Enjoy your stay here-no matter how short it may be.  jenmito   Jul-09-08 03:47 PM   #151 
        - And Lee Mercer, Jr. -- I heard Skinner changed the rules just for Mercenaries  LostinVA   Jul-09-08 05:32 PM   #161 
  - Nader? This should end well... n/t  LowerManhattanite   Jul-09-08 05:27 PM   #159 
     - Maybe it already HAS ended well.  jenmito   Jul-09-08 05:50 PM   #163 
        - Yeesh! I go down to the gym for a jog and a carrot juice...  LowerManhattanite   Jul-09-08 07:50 PM   #167 
           - Ya got THAT right!  jenmito   Jul-09-08 07:56 PM   #168 
              - Why mah dear (Best Tennessee Williams character voice)...  LowerManhattanite   Jul-09-08 08:03 PM   #169 
                 - ...  jenmito   Jul-09-08 08:17 PM   #170 
  - Maybe she's learned that centrist voting didn't get her anywhere.  kerry-is-my-prez   Jul-09-08 03:34 PM   #138 
  - props from this Obama supporter for HRC!  dmsRoar   Jul-09-08 03:36 PM   #142 
  - Well, finally!  polmaven   Jul-09-08 03:51 PM   #152 
  - Thank you.  emilyg   Jul-09-08 07:30 PM   #166 
  - Go Hillary!!!!!!!!!!  Beacool   Jul-09-08 10:47 PM   #171 
 

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