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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-07-08 02:37 PM
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1. False dichotomy...
Edited on Mon Jul-07-08 02:40 PM by ClassWarrior
You make your base bigger BY playing to it.

The losing strategy is to move to the right, to assume with Republicans that American values are mainly conservative and that the Democratic party has to move away from its base and adopt conservative values. When you do that, you help activate conservative values in people’s brains (thus helping the other side), you offend your base (thus hurting yourself), and you give the impression that you are expressing no consistent set of values, which is true! Why should the American people trust somebody who does not have clear values, and who may be trying to deceive them about the values he and his party’s base hold?...

"No Center, No Centrists" -- George Lakoff

http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/08/15/3174

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  -Should Obama play to his base or make it bigger? Drunken Irishman  Jul-07-08 02:35 PM   #0 
  - False dichotomy...  ClassWarrior   Jul-07-08 02:37 PM   #1 
  - For the sake of this, let's just say it isn't false.  Drunken Irishman   Jul-07-08 02:40 PM   #3 
  - I had the wrong quote. Check it again. You don't nab those voters by appearing insincere.  ClassWarrior   Jul-07-08 02:41 PM   #5 
     - Ok, but I don't believe Obama is insincere.  Drunken Irishman   Jul-07-08 02:43 PM   #8 
        - But appearing to shift one's position looks insincere.  ClassWarrior   Jul-07-08 02:45 PM   #9 
           - He hasn't.  endarkenment   Jul-07-08 02:53 PM   #15 
              - I know he hasn't. And I know they would. It's this thread that echoes that meme.  ClassWarrior   Jul-07-08 03:17 PM   #21 
  - Hear, hear! And the you're drunk didn't quite fit the bill.  damntexdem   Jul-07-08 04:28 PM   #31 
  - Drown their election fraud in a tsunami of electoral votes  endarkenment   Jul-07-08 02:38 PM   #2 
  - I think this is a dangerous game he's playing...  Juniperx   Jul-07-08 02:40 PM   #4 
  - We'll know in November if it was risky or not.  Drunken Irishman   Jul-07-08 02:41 PM   #7 
  - Yup... hence the "I think" bit...  Juniperx   Jul-07-08 02:45 PM   #10 
  - Agree  DJ13   Jul-07-08 02:46 PM   #11 
     - Ugh... you said it out loud...  Juniperx   Jul-07-08 02:50 PM   #13 
        - Sorry  DJ13   Jul-07-08 02:52 PM   #14 
           - LOL!  Juniperx   Jul-07-08 03:21 PM   #23 
  - Obama damn well needs to take nobody for granted.  sui generis   Jul-07-08 02:41 PM   #6 
  - Yup!  Juniperx   Jul-07-08 02:48 PM   #12 
  - And change the party into an even more conservative party than it is now?  Solon   Jul-07-08 02:53 PM   #16 
  - When all those Democrats bolted for the GOP in 80s, did it become more liberal?  Drunken Irishman   Jul-07-08 02:59 PM   #17 
     - What's the point of winning if the results, more or less, are the same?  Solon   Jul-07-08 03:13 PM   #19 
     - That's your opinion.  Drunken Irishman   Jul-07-08 03:31 PM   #27 
     - He ran on contradictory values  loyalsister   Jul-07-08 03:21 PM   #22 
  - Obama seems to be turning into just another politician.  bowens43   Jul-07-08 03:07 PM   #18 
  - You can't win the POTUS without being a politician.  Fluffdaddy   Jul-07-08 03:15 PM   #20 
     - That's old school thinking...  Juniperx   Jul-07-08 03:22 PM   #24 
        - It's old-school thinking to say that Obama can only win the Presidency  Occam Bandage   Jul-07-08 03:25 PM   #26 
           - Oh what bullshit  Juniperx   Jul-07-08 04:14 PM   #30 
  - ERROR 22 RESULTS DO NOT CORRELATE WITH DU RESPONSE TO OBAMA'S ATTEMPTS TO DO SAME  Occam Bandage   Jul-07-08 03:23 PM   #25 
  - Or, framed historically- should he pander to the right, dampen enthusaism for the campaign  depakid   Jul-07-08 03:35 PM   #28 
  - He should keep his word  steven88   Jul-07-08 04:12 PM   #29 
 

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