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47. private armies
Edited on Sun Jun-29-08 11:49 PM by Two Americas
Private armies is one way to get around the draft, and there is another that has been falling into place quietly. Over 900,000 people have been rounded up and detained right under our noses. Already some have been given the choice - join the military and you will become a citizen, otherwise out you go. Since these ongoing warrant-less round-ups are all secret, and people are held incommunicado and denied attorneys or any contact with the world, we don't really know what is happening fully. We do know that many citizens and legal aliens who happen to be brown have been rounded up. We do know that there has been a lot of abuse and coercion of detainees. We do know that they are completely helpless in the hands of the authorities, and there is no oversight. We do know that at least some have been offered citizenship if they will go into the armed forces.

But everything is OK, really it is, if only we critics and dissidents would STFU and stop "being negative" and "whining" and "bitching" and "discouraging people."

Madfloridian is right in seeing that these things are all tied together, whether it seems logical that they should be or not. Each battle represents another piece of the right wing game plan, and failing to see the overall pattern, and failing to fight them aggressively on all fronts is to be complicit, even if unwittingly. When we do finally see exactly how all of the pieces fit together, it may then be too late.
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  -By July 8 we will all be on board, just like we have been before. madfloridian  Jun-29-08 05:05 PM   #0 
  - The focus on this one issue  woolldog   Jun-29-08 05:09 PM   #1 
  - This post is NOT focusing on FISA. Dear God....please read what I wrote!!!!  madfloridian   Jun-29-08 05:10 PM   #2 
  - You used the word FISA how many times in your post that had nothing  woolldog   Jun-29-08 07:00 PM   #19 
     - OMG....this "don't criticize Obama" "don't criticize FISA" is overwrought.  madfloridian   Jun-29-08 07:04 PM   #21 
        - try to even compliment anyone here lately, and they take it the wrong way,  poli speak   Jun-30-08 06:14 PM   #135 
  - Good by....not taking any more crap.  madfloridian   Jun-29-08 07:04 PM   #22 
  - LOL. Now who's the one who can't tolerate dissent?  woolldog   Jun-29-08 07:07 PM   #23 
     - That was beautiful, the way you made questioning the status quo look like intolerance of dissent.  OmelasExpat   Jun-30-08 11:16 AM   #88 
     - No. I'm speaking of her/him putting me on ignore b/c I criticized his/her's  woolldog   Jun-30-08 11:22 AM   #89 
        - So, drawing a line == intolerance. You're getting more clever and artful all the time.  OmelasExpat   Jun-30-08 11:41 AM   #91 
           - Gee...  madfloridian   Jun-30-08 12:27 PM   #95 
           - They've all been to Room 101.  Jakes Progress   Jun-30-08 01:21 PM   #101 
           - I like your style.  woolldog   Jun-30-08 04:22 PM   #126 
     - Since she has you on ignore  Gilligan   Jun-30-08 01:47 PM   #106 
  - both are false  Two Americas   Jun-29-08 07:36 PM   #25 
     - To answer your question, yes.  woolldog   Jun-29-08 08:16 PM   #28 
        - that is honest  Two Americas   Jun-29-08 09:17 PM   #33 
        - Belief in pink elephants and Trojan Horses is for children.  OmelasExpat   Jun-30-08 11:27 AM   #90 
        - love that totalitarian point of view. what makes you think he will be  comradebillyboy   Jun-30-08 12:10 PM   #93 
        - You are kidding, right?  Jakes Progress   Jun-30-08 01:34 PM   #102 
        - You are stretching  Gilligan   Jun-30-08 02:02 PM   #110 
  - Acceptance is a good thing.  madfloridian   Jun-29-08 05:15 PM   #3 
  - "Louder", I have discovered, is not always greater in number...  Psyop Samurai   Jun-29-08 06:24 PM   #13 
  - Report: U.S. 'preparing the battlefield' in Iran  madfloridian   Jun-29-08 05:19 PM   #4 
  - A result of our unflappable alliance with Israel  hokies4ever   Jun-29-08 05:33 PM   #7 
  - Well said. *crying emoticon* nt  yadayadayada   Jun-29-08 05:26 PM   #5 
  - FISA vote is wrong *AND* Obama should be elected president.  Political Heretic   Jun-29-08 05:31 PM   #6 
  - Why the date July 8th?  tekisui   Jun-29-08 05:39 PM   #8 
  - The date of the vote, I hear.  madfloridian   Jun-29-08 05:39 PM   #9 
  - i don't know the answer mad.  mopinko   Jun-29-08 05:43 PM   #10 
  - There is no answer.  madfloridian   Jun-29-08 06:43 PM   #18 
  - My answer is  Gilligan   Jun-30-08 02:07 PM   #112 
  - First of all, this issue was not something that was fabricated to "push our buttons".  bertman   Jun-30-08 12:23 PM   #94 
     - That was always the solution I was looking for.  Jakes Progress   Jun-30-08 01:44 PM   #104 
     - Excellent points  Gilligan   Jun-30-08 02:09 PM   #114 
  - Great post, MadFloridian.  BuyingThyme   Jun-29-08 06:08 PM   #11 
  - On the other hand, we are all now free to arm ourselves.  rug   Jun-29-08 06:12 PM   #12 
  - and that is starting to sound like a very good idea.  GoldieAZ49   Jun-29-08 06:33 PM   #15 
  - Political Loyalty is a one way street  GoldieAZ49   Jun-29-08 06:31 PM   #14 
  - Nobody is saying to accept anything .  Kdillard   Jun-29-08 06:35 PM   #16 
  - You are wrong. The mindset here is to hush.  madfloridian   Jun-29-08 06:37 PM   #17 
  - Wrong. Everything is about accepting.  Jakes Progress   Jun-30-08 01:52 PM   #107 
  - the effect is the same  Two Americas   Jun-30-08 07:29 PM   #139 
  - Third Way and DLC/PPI, for dummies, like me.  NYC_SKP   Jun-29-08 07:01 PM   #20 
  - The assimilation will be easier this time around.  madfloridian   Jun-29-08 07:12 PM   #24 
  - You know, I think DUers are very desperate to have a win this time.  CTyankee   Jun-29-08 07:53 PM   #26 
  - I am not talking about Obama. The bill has already passed.  madfloridian   Jun-29-08 08:11 PM   #27 
     - I don't know if your last statement is accurate. In a perfect world such things  CTyankee   Jun-29-08 08:27 PM   #29 
        - So you think we HAD to bring FISA up for a vote?  madfloridian   Jun-29-08 08:35 PM   #30 
        - Aperfect example of the "world as it is" as Alinsky would say.  CTyankee   Jun-30-08 05:52 PM   #133 
        - FISA could be left alone.  Jakes Progress   Jun-30-08 01:55 PM   #108 
  - yes  Two Americas   Jun-29-08 09:27 PM   #34 
     - Thanks for your posts in this thread. I appreciate them.  madfloridian   Jun-29-08 09:33 PM   #35 
        - you have been an inspiration to all of us for a long time  Two Americas   Jun-29-08 11:09 PM   #43 
           - Well, I am changing my ways. I am SO on board with no criticism  madfloridian   Jun-29-08 11:10 PM   #44 
           - unfortunately it's the wrong lesson they are teaching  unapatriciated   Jun-30-08 01:12 AM   #57 
           - seconded...hugs to you both  FarceOfNature   Jun-30-08 07:54 AM   #72 
              - hey farce  Two Americas   Jun-30-08 07:32 PM   #140 
  - you posted intelligently about FISA - I never assumed you were "attacking Obama"  crankychatter   Jun-29-08 08:56 PM   #31 
  - I don't think I said that. I do think the Dems will go along with Iran  madfloridian   Jun-29-08 09:08 PM   #32 
  - I could not agree more  Eyes_wide_ open   Jun-30-08 12:33 AM   #50 
     - They are successful with me. This is my last post here critical of Dems.  madfloridian   Jun-30-08 12:37 AM   #51 
     - Dupe post  madfloridian   Jun-30-08 12:37 AM   #52 
  - I meant we have to speak up on things like that. Even if we fail.  madfloridian   Jun-29-08 10:19 PM   #37 
     - Well, I don't want you to shut up  dmr   Jun-30-08 01:47 AM   #60 
  - K&R  bvar22   Jun-29-08 09:50 PM   #36 
  - I'm afraid so.  Lugnut   Jun-30-08 09:19 AM   #75 
  - We want hope, not change  mdmc   Jun-30-08 10:10 AM   #84 
  - Please make the quote and picture  Jakes Progress   Jun-30-08 02:00 PM   #109 
  - as a fellow floridian  swampg8r   Jun-29-08 10:28 PM   #38 
  - No, I know when it is time to quit. Others can do it or not.  madfloridian   Jun-29-08 10:32 PM   #39 
  - ironically FISA is a response to Iranian policies in the 70s  swampg8r   Jun-29-08 11:01 PM   #40 
     - Nothing to do with Iran. Everything to do with trying to curb abuse of political power. From wiki  iconicgnom   Jun-30-08 07:19 AM   #71 
        - Thanks. I hope someone will post Greenwald's stuff here at DU now...  madfloridian   Jun-30-08 10:07 AM   #83 
        - This is one of the problems.  Jakes Progress   Jun-30-08 02:05 PM   #111 
  - googled shoulder obama, just for ya!  themartyred   Jun-30-08 12:57 AM   #55 
  - Yes, I can sure see how shielding telecoms from civil suits is exactly the same as war with Iran.  Occam Bandage   Jun-29-08 11:02 PM   #41 
  - Is that all you got from the last 8 years of caving?  madfloridian   Jun-29-08 11:05 PM   #42 
  - I also got a great Cave-In '07 T-shirt, too.  Occam Bandage   Jun-29-08 11:29 PM   #46 
  - See post 111 for a description of what is wrong  Jakes Progress   Jun-30-08 02:07 PM   #113 
  - but no one is going to accept a draft  bambino   Jun-29-08 11:12 PM   #45 
  - private armies  Two Americas   Jun-29-08 11:36 PM   #47 
     - Please link TA  balantz   Jun-30-08 01:28 AM   #58 
     - hey balantz  Two Americas   Jun-30-08 02:01 AM   #61 
     - This is not good.  balantz   Jun-30-08 08:33 AM   #73 
        - how it ties in  Two Americas   Jun-30-08 01:38 PM   #103 
           - You are absolutely right.  balantz   Jun-30-08 02:59 PM   #117 
              - all pieces to the puzzle  Two Americas   Jun-30-08 03:48 PM   #122 
                 - I'm with you.  balantz   Jun-30-08 03:58 PM   #124 
     - immigrants in the military  Two Americas   Jun-30-08 02:14 AM   #62 
     - medical neglect  Two Americas   Jun-30-08 02:24 AM   #63 
     - Holy Crap!  14thColony   Jun-30-08 04:12 PM   #125 
        - worse here and now  Two Americas   Jun-30-08 04:33 PM   #127 
     - abuse of minors in detention  Two Americas   Jun-30-08 02:52 AM   #64 
     - children imprisoned  Two Americas   Jun-30-08 02:58 AM   #65 
     - the Pentagon and immigrants  Two Americas   Jun-30-08 03:42 AM   #66 
     - for-profit detention industry  Two Americas   Jun-30-08 03:47 AM   #67 
     - The National Network for Immigrant and Refugee Rights Report  Two Americas   Jun-30-08 04:10 AM   #68 
     - After looking at one of your links here  balantz   Jun-30-08 08:46 AM   #74 
     - the truth  Two Americas   Jun-30-08 01:11 PM   #100 
        - Not sure what you mean that there is no war, except that truly it is an illegal occupation.  balantz   Jun-30-08 03:11 PM   #119 
           - clarification  Two Americas   Jun-30-08 03:35 PM   #120 
              - I'm with you TA. I understand who is US and who is THEM.  balantz   Jun-30-08 03:52 PM   #123 
                 - words will beat them  Two Americas   Jun-30-08 04:38 PM   #128 
                 - Freedom vs. Tyranny  balantz   Jun-30-08 05:47 PM   #131 
                 - one more thing my friend  Two Americas   Jun-30-08 05:12 PM   #129 
                    - Agreed  balantz   Jun-30-08 06:05 PM   #134 
     - perhaps our congressmen don't see the urgency?  bambino   Jun-30-08 05:15 PM   #130 
        - conspiracy of silence  Two Americas   Jun-30-08 06:51 PM   #136 
           - But is it fair to blame them for selling out to the corporations and financiers? n/t  balantz   Jun-30-08 07:05 PM   #137 
              - maybe  Two Americas   Jun-30-08 07:39 PM   #141 
                 - We really need to challenge them  balantz   Jun-30-08 09:02 PM   #142 
  - Just to clarify....this is my last post about FISA or criticizing Democrats  madfloridian   Jun-29-08 11:56 PM   #48 
  - Someone else may want to post about Sy Hersh.  madfloridian   Jun-30-08 12:07 AM   #49 
  - Iran is my Rubicon  DFW   Jun-30-08 12:49 AM   #53 
  - "a govt that takes away the privacy of a man will control him completely"  themartyred   Jun-30-08 12:54 AM   #54 
  - We have no choice but to accept it when they stick it to us again and again.  balantz   Jun-30-08 12:58 AM   #56 
  - I think that I'll boost this thread...  RNdaSilva   Jun-30-08 01:30 AM   #59 
  - When our own Democratic forum is silent....then I do worry.  madfloridian   Jun-30-08 09:25 AM   #76 
  - Mad, remember acceptance goes with compassion.  RTBerry   Jun-30-08 05:01 AM   #69 
  - But Socrates and Jesus were killed by the political powers of their time  Zodiak Ironfist   Jul-01-08 02:03 AM   #151 
  - And our Dear Leader will put our feeble protests down the memory hole.  kohodog   Jun-30-08 06:41 AM   #70 
  - The Slippery Slope is Fun! Weeeeee!  The Political Jerk   Jun-30-08 09:34 AM   #77 
  - The difference this election is some are terrified that we may lose this, critique is fine but if we  barack the house   Jun-30-08 09:35 AM   #78 
  - YES, we will. I mean...I will criticize no longer. Do you want that in blood?  madfloridian   Jun-30-08 09:37 AM   #79 
  - That would perfectly adequate but only if you have run out of ink. =)  barack the house   Jun-30-08 09:47 AM   #80 
     - Cute....silence is golden.  madfloridian   Jun-30-08 09:51 AM   #81 
  - Why not the critique, if we end up voting for Obama in the end?  OmelasExpat   Jun-30-08 11:54 AM   #92 
  - Go Democrats!  mdmc   Jun-30-08 09:55 AM   #82 
  - K&R n/t  ms liberty   Jun-30-08 10:40 AM   #85 
  - Martin Luther King: "Silence is betrayal."  Straight Shooter   Jun-30-08 10:40 AM   #86 
  - "And we will accept it because we have to do so. "  redqueen   Jun-30-08 10:52 AM   #87 
  - I think we should move on.  Elrond Hubbard   Jun-30-08 12:37 PM   #96 
  - I did. I said I would not post anything else bad about Democrats.  madfloridian   Jun-30-08 12:54 PM   #97 
     - I've never tried to say we shouldn't criticize Obama.  Elrond Hubbard   Jun-30-08 12:58 PM   #98 
  - Don't go changin' MF!  dailykoff   Jun-30-08 01:01 PM   #99 
  - k&r  Swamp Rat   Jun-30-08 01:46 PM   #105 
  - Great post MF. I just cannot believe that on a Democratic Board  saracat   Jun-30-08 02:32 PM   #115 
  - oh I saw it coming during the primaries  Skittles   Jul-01-08 01:38 AM   #150 
  - With you on this one  Bluenorthwest   Jun-30-08 02:50 PM   #116 
  - so true and so sad. n/t  dana_b   Jun-30-08 03:04 PM   #118 
  - Mad, have you truly lost hope?  SidneyCarton   Jun-30-08 03:39 PM   #121 
  - agreed  Two Americas   Jun-30-08 07:10 PM   #138 
     - True enough,  SidneyCarton   Jun-30-08 10:09 PM   #147 
        - kick nt  maryf   Jun-30-08 10:47 PM   #148 
  - No Mad. We won't all be on board. The same ones who foresaw and fought  Catherina   Jun-30-08 05:49 PM   #132 
  - As we need yours.  iconicgnom   Jun-30-08 09:26 PM   #145 
     - That was very kind. Thank you iconicgnom  Catherina   Jul-01-08 01:33 AM   #149 
  - I'm sure it gets hard to take the swipes and neglects madfloridian.  balantz   Jun-30-08 09:09 PM   #143 
  - Did you catch Keith Olbermann's Special Comment tonight?  RNdaSilva   Jun-30-08 09:18 PM   #144 
  - All guns inward!  Damian the LHP   Jun-30-08 09:47 PM   #146 

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