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| 10. i don't know the answer mad. |
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we are between a rock and a hard place right now, and it is pretty upsetting. especially when we know that that rock was placed right there to push our buttons. what is the way around responding to this button pushing? we do feel that we should not give an inch here. but we also do not want to be the ones piling on.
barack is the best candidate of our lifetime. but, there is so much built up rage. it is so easy for them to pull something out of their asses, and get us riled.
i just keep thinking about the whole immigration debate, which you know was intended to split the left, and sure the hell did. and in the end what did we get? nothing. the issue was manufactured to push our buttons. period. we bit on it big time.
we need to find another way, mad. this is clearly not working. our raw emotions will win us nothing. what to do? i wish i knew. but i sure know what we should not be doing. and that is putting this entire mess on barack's shoulders. it is not his to bear. it is all of ours. we the people. i think we need to keep our eyes on the prize here, and get the man elected. when he has the power, then he can bear the burden. i do not think he will shirk his responsibilities. i am convinced that he knows the magnitude of the problem. he is our best chance to do SOMETHING. we have to be mindful of blowing it. not silent, but mindful.
those of us that know things have a terrible burden. let us concentrate on the man that is strong enough to carry something so horrible.
peace
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| -By July 8 we will all be on board, just like we have been before. |
madfloridian |
Jun-29-08 05:05 PM |
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The focus on this one issue |
woolldog |
Jun-29-08 05:09 PM |
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This post is NOT focusing on FISA. Dear God....please read what I wrote!!!! |
madfloridian |
Jun-29-08 05:10 PM |
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You used the word FISA how many times in your post that had nothing |
woolldog |
Jun-29-08 07:00 PM |
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OMG....this "don't criticize Obama" "don't criticize FISA" is overwrought. |
madfloridian |
Jun-29-08 07:04 PM |
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try to even compliment anyone here lately, and they take it the wrong way, |
poli speak |
Jun-30-08 06:14 PM |
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Good by....not taking any more crap. |
madfloridian |
Jun-29-08 07:04 PM |
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LOL. Now who's the one who can't tolerate dissent? |
woolldog |
Jun-29-08 07:07 PM |
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That was beautiful, the way you made questioning the status quo look like intolerance of dissent. |
OmelasExpat |
Jun-30-08 11:16 AM |
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No. I'm speaking of her/him putting me on ignore b/c I criticized his/her's |
woolldog |
Jun-30-08 11:22 AM |
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So, drawing a line == intolerance. You're getting more clever and artful all the time. |
OmelasExpat |
Jun-30-08 11:41 AM |
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Gee... |
madfloridian |
Jun-30-08 12:27 PM |
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They've all been to Room 101. |
Jakes Progress |
Jun-30-08 01:21 PM |
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I like your style. |
woolldog |
Jun-30-08 04:22 PM |
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Since she has you on ignore |
Gilligan |
Jun-30-08 01:47 PM |
#106 |
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both are false |
Two Americas |
Jun-29-08 07:36 PM |
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To answer your question, yes. |
woolldog |
Jun-29-08 08:16 PM |
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that is honest |
Two Americas |
Jun-29-08 09:17 PM |
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Belief in pink elephants and Trojan Horses is for children. |
OmelasExpat |
Jun-30-08 11:27 AM |
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love that totalitarian point of view. what makes you think he will be |
comradebillyboy |
Jun-30-08 12:10 PM |
#93 |
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You are kidding, right? |
Jakes Progress |
Jun-30-08 01:34 PM |
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You are stretching |
Gilligan |
Jun-30-08 02:02 PM |
#110 |
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Acceptance is a good thing. |
madfloridian |
Jun-29-08 05:15 PM |
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"Louder", I have discovered, is not always greater in number... |
Psyop Samurai |
Jun-29-08 06:24 PM |
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Report: U.S. 'preparing the battlefield' in Iran |
madfloridian |
Jun-29-08 05:19 PM |
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A result of our unflappable alliance with Israel |
hokies4ever |
Jun-29-08 05:33 PM |
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Well said. *crying emoticon* nt |
yadayadayada |
Jun-29-08 05:26 PM |
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FISA vote is wrong *AND* Obama should be elected president. |
Political Heretic |
Jun-29-08 05:31 PM |
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Why the date July 8th? |
tekisui |
Jun-29-08 05:39 PM |
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The date of the vote, I hear. |
madfloridian |
Jun-29-08 05:39 PM |
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i don't know the answer mad. |
mopinko |
Jun-29-08 05:43 PM |
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There is no answer. |
madfloridian |
Jun-29-08 06:43 PM |
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My answer is |
Gilligan |
Jun-30-08 02:07 PM |
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First of all, this issue was not something that was fabricated to "push our buttons". |
bertman |
Jun-30-08 12:23 PM |
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That was always the solution I was looking for. |
Jakes Progress |
Jun-30-08 01:44 PM |
#104 |
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Excellent points |
Gilligan |
Jun-30-08 02:09 PM |
#114 |
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Great post, MadFloridian. |
BuyingThyme |
Jun-29-08 06:08 PM |
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On the other hand, we are all now free to arm ourselves. |
rug |
Jun-29-08 06:12 PM |
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and that is starting to sound like a very good idea. |
GoldieAZ49 |
Jun-29-08 06:33 PM |
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Political Loyalty is a one way street |
GoldieAZ49 |
Jun-29-08 06:31 PM |
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Nobody is saying to accept anything . |
Kdillard |
Jun-29-08 06:35 PM |
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You are wrong. The mindset here is to hush. |
madfloridian |
Jun-29-08 06:37 PM |
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Wrong. Everything is about accepting. |
Jakes Progress |
Jun-30-08 01:52 PM |
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the effect is the same |
Two Americas |
Jun-30-08 07:29 PM |
#139 |
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Third Way and DLC/PPI, for dummies, like me. |
NYC_SKP |
Jun-29-08 07:01 PM |
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The assimilation will be easier this time around. |
madfloridian |
Jun-29-08 07:12 PM |
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You know, I think DUers are very desperate to have a win this time. |
CTyankee |
Jun-29-08 07:53 PM |
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I am not talking about Obama. The bill has already passed. |
madfloridian |
Jun-29-08 08:11 PM |
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I don't know if your last statement is accurate. In a perfect world such things |
CTyankee |
Jun-29-08 08:27 PM |
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So you think we HAD to bring FISA up for a vote? |
madfloridian |
Jun-29-08 08:35 PM |
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Aperfect example of the "world as it is" as Alinsky would say. |
CTyankee |
Jun-30-08 05:52 PM |
#133 |
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FISA could be left alone. |
Jakes Progress |
Jun-30-08 01:55 PM |
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yes |
Two Americas |
Jun-29-08 09:27 PM |
#34 |
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Thanks for your posts in this thread. I appreciate them. |
madfloridian |
Jun-29-08 09:33 PM |
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you have been an inspiration to all of us for a long time |
Two Americas |
Jun-29-08 11:09 PM |
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Well, I am changing my ways. I am SO on board with no criticism |
madfloridian |
Jun-29-08 11:10 PM |
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unfortunately it's the wrong lesson they are teaching |
unapatriciated |
Jun-30-08 01:12 AM |
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seconded...hugs to you both |
FarceOfNature |
Jun-30-08 07:54 AM |
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hey farce |
Two Americas |
Jun-30-08 07:32 PM |
#140 |
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you posted intelligently about FISA - I never assumed you were "attacking Obama" |
crankychatter |
Jun-29-08 08:56 PM |
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I don't think I said that. I do think the Dems will go along with Iran |
madfloridian |
Jun-29-08 09:08 PM |
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I could not agree more |
Eyes_wide_ open |
Jun-30-08 12:33 AM |
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They are successful with me. This is my last post here critical of Dems. |
madfloridian |
Jun-30-08 12:37 AM |
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Dupe post |
madfloridian |
Jun-30-08 12:37 AM |
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I meant we have to speak up on things like that. Even if we fail. |
madfloridian |
Jun-29-08 10:19 PM |
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Well, I don't want you to shut up |
dmr |
Jun-30-08 01:47 AM |
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K&R |
bvar22 |
Jun-29-08 09:50 PM |
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I'm afraid so. |
Lugnut |
Jun-30-08 09:19 AM |
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We want hope, not change |
mdmc |
Jun-30-08 10:10 AM |
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Please make the quote and picture |
Jakes Progress |
Jun-30-08 02:00 PM |
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as a fellow floridian |
swampg8r |
Jun-29-08 10:28 PM |
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No, I know when it is time to quit. Others can do it or not. |
madfloridian |
Jun-29-08 10:32 PM |
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ironically FISA is a response to Iranian policies in the 70s |
swampg8r |
Jun-29-08 11:01 PM |
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Nothing to do with Iran. Everything to do with trying to curb abuse of political power. From wiki |
iconicgnom |
Jun-30-08 07:19 AM |
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Thanks. I hope someone will post Greenwald's stuff here at DU now... |
madfloridian |
Jun-30-08 10:07 AM |
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This is one of the problems. |
Jakes Progress |
Jun-30-08 02:05 PM |
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googled shoulder obama, just for ya! |
themartyred |
Jun-30-08 12:57 AM |
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Yes, I can sure see how shielding telecoms from civil suits is exactly the same as war with Iran. |
Occam Bandage |
Jun-29-08 11:02 PM |
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Is that all you got from the last 8 years of caving? |
madfloridian |
Jun-29-08 11:05 PM |
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I also got a great Cave-In '07 T-shirt, too. |
Occam Bandage |
Jun-29-08 11:29 PM |
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See post 111 for a description of what is wrong |
Jakes Progress |
Jun-30-08 02:07 PM |
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but no one is going to accept a draft |
bambino |
Jun-29-08 11:12 PM |
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private armies |
Two Americas |
Jun-29-08 11:36 PM |
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Please link TA |
balantz |
Jun-30-08 01:28 AM |
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hey balantz |
Two Americas |
Jun-30-08 02:01 AM |
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This is not good. |
balantz |
Jun-30-08 08:33 AM |
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how it ties in |
Two Americas |
Jun-30-08 01:38 PM |
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You are absolutely right. |
balantz |
Jun-30-08 02:59 PM |
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all pieces to the puzzle |
Two Americas |
Jun-30-08 03:48 PM |
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I'm with you. |
balantz |
Jun-30-08 03:58 PM |
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immigrants in the military |
Two Americas |
Jun-30-08 02:14 AM |
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medical neglect |
Two Americas |
Jun-30-08 02:24 AM |
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Holy Crap! |
14thColony |
Jun-30-08 04:12 PM |
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worse here and now |
Two Americas |
Jun-30-08 04:33 PM |
#127 |
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abuse of minors in detention |
Two Americas |
Jun-30-08 02:52 AM |
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children imprisoned |
Two Americas |
Jun-30-08 02:58 AM |
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the Pentagon and immigrants |
Two Americas |
Jun-30-08 03:42 AM |
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for-profit detention industry |
Two Americas |
Jun-30-08 03:47 AM |
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The National Network for Immigrant and Refugee Rights Report |
Two Americas |
Jun-30-08 04:10 AM |
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After looking at one of your links here |
balantz |
Jun-30-08 08:46 AM |
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the truth |
Two Americas |
Jun-30-08 01:11 PM |
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Not sure what you mean that there is no war, except that truly it is an illegal occupation. |
balantz |
Jun-30-08 03:11 PM |
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clarification |
Two Americas |
Jun-30-08 03:35 PM |
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I'm with you TA. I understand who is US and who is THEM. |
balantz |
Jun-30-08 03:52 PM |
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words will beat them |
Two Americas |
Jun-30-08 04:38 PM |
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Freedom vs. Tyranny |
balantz |
Jun-30-08 05:47 PM |
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one more thing my friend |
Two Americas |
Jun-30-08 05:12 PM |
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Agreed |
balantz |
Jun-30-08 06:05 PM |
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perhaps our congressmen don't see the urgency? |
bambino |
Jun-30-08 05:15 PM |
#130 |
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conspiracy of silence |
Two Americas |
Jun-30-08 06:51 PM |
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But is it fair to blame them for selling out to the corporations and financiers? n/t |
balantz |
Jun-30-08 07:05 PM |
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maybe |
Two Americas |
Jun-30-08 07:39 PM |
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We really need to challenge them |
balantz |
Jun-30-08 09:02 PM |
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Just to clarify....this is my last post about FISA or criticizing Democrats |
madfloridian |
Jun-29-08 11:56 PM |
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Someone else may want to post about Sy Hersh. |
madfloridian |
Jun-30-08 12:07 AM |
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Iran is my Rubicon |
DFW |
Jun-30-08 12:49 AM |
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"a govt that takes away the privacy of a man will control him completely" |
themartyred |
Jun-30-08 12:54 AM |
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We have no choice but to accept it when they stick it to us again and again. |
balantz |
Jun-30-08 12:58 AM |
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I think that I'll boost this thread... |
RNdaSilva |
Jun-30-08 01:30 AM |
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When our own Democratic forum is silent....then I do worry. |
madfloridian |
Jun-30-08 09:25 AM |
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Mad, remember acceptance goes with compassion. |
RTBerry |
Jun-30-08 05:01 AM |
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But Socrates and Jesus were killed by the political powers of their time |
Zodiak Ironfist |
Jul-01-08 02:03 AM |
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And our Dear Leader will put our feeble protests down the memory hole. |
kohodog |
Jun-30-08 06:41 AM |
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The Slippery Slope is Fun! Weeeeee! |
The Political Jerk |
Jun-30-08 09:34 AM |
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The difference this election is some are terrified that we may lose this, critique is fine but if we |
barack the house |
Jun-30-08 09:35 AM |
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YES, we will. I mean...I will criticize no longer. Do you want that in blood? |
madfloridian |
Jun-30-08 09:37 AM |
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That would perfectly adequate but only if you have run out of ink. =) |
barack the house |
Jun-30-08 09:47 AM |
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Cute....silence is golden. |
madfloridian |
Jun-30-08 09:51 AM |
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Why not the critique, if we end up voting for Obama in the end? |
OmelasExpat |
Jun-30-08 11:54 AM |
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Go Democrats! |
mdmc |
Jun-30-08 09:55 AM |
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K&R n/t |
ms liberty |
Jun-30-08 10:40 AM |
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Martin Luther King: "Silence is betrayal." |
Straight Shooter |
Jun-30-08 10:40 AM |
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"And we will accept it because we have to do so. " |
redqueen |
Jun-30-08 10:52 AM |
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I think we should move on. |
Elrond Hubbard |
Jun-30-08 12:37 PM |
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I did. I said I would not post anything else bad about Democrats. |
madfloridian |
Jun-30-08 12:54 PM |
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I've never tried to say we shouldn't criticize Obama. |
Elrond Hubbard |
Jun-30-08 12:58 PM |
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Don't go changin' MF! |
dailykoff |
Jun-30-08 01:01 PM |
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k&r |
Swamp Rat |
Jun-30-08 01:46 PM |
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Great post MF. I just cannot believe that on a Democratic Board |
saracat |
Jun-30-08 02:32 PM |
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oh I saw it coming during the primaries |
Skittles |
Jul-01-08 01:38 AM |
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With you on this one |
Bluenorthwest |
Jun-30-08 02:50 PM |
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so true and so sad. n/t |
dana_b |
Jun-30-08 03:04 PM |
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Mad, have you truly lost hope? |
SidneyCarton |
Jun-30-08 03:39 PM |
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agreed |
Two Americas |
Jun-30-08 07:10 PM |
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True enough, |
SidneyCarton |
Jun-30-08 10:09 PM |
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kick nt |
maryf |
Jun-30-08 10:47 PM |
#148 |
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No Mad. We won't all be on board. The same ones who foresaw and fought |
Catherina |
Jun-30-08 05:49 PM |
#132 |
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As we need yours. |
iconicgnom |
Jun-30-08 09:26 PM |
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That was very kind. Thank you iconicgnom |
Catherina |
Jul-01-08 01:33 AM |
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I'm sure it gets hard to take the swipes and neglects madfloridian. |
balantz |
Jun-30-08 09:09 PM |
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Did you catch Keith Olbermann's Special Comment tonight? |
RNdaSilva |
Jun-30-08 09:18 PM |
#144 |
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All guns inward! |
Damian the LHP |
Jun-30-08 09:47 PM |
#146 |
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