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QueenOfCalifornia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-28-08 01:11 AM
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103. YOU are the one who doesn't get it
I mean, defending a major flip-flop on this important issue is giving the republicans nothing but ammunition - Does principal mean anything anymore? Does right from wrong mean anything? WHAT was the right vote? That is the simple question. What vote would have been the moral and correct thing to do? He should not have gone back on his word. Stood his ground. But he caved in to pressure and is giving a free pass to criminal behavior. That is a fact not a judgement.
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  -DAILYKOS: President McCain just got elected, but that's okay whereismyparty  Jun-27-08 08:43 PM   #0 
  - Don't blame yourself. Barack forgot that people who favor FISA are voting McCain anyway.  John Q. Citizen   Jun-27-08 08:47 PM   #1 
  - Good post...makes a lot of sense  mrone2   Jun-27-08 08:50 PM   #3 
  - Oversimplification  cbc5g   Jun-27-08 08:56 PM   #4 
  - So now they're just calling him a weak-ass flip-flopper.  jgraz   Jun-27-08 09:00 PM   #7 
  - They can't use the flip-flop meme because McCain has flipped more than any politician this decade  cbc5g   Jun-27-08 09:02 PM   #11 
  - Just watch them.  jgraz   Jun-27-08 09:03 PM   #13 
  - and if you give a fuck what brownback thinks.. welll.......  dionysus   Jun-27-08 09:20 PM   #26 
     - What? The whole point behind this capitulation is that we're so scared what the RWers think  jgraz   Jun-27-08 09:22 PM   #28 
        - well you apparently care what brownback thinks, not I...  dionysus   Jun-27-08 09:23 PM   #30 
           - Is it too much to ask for you to stay on point for more than 1 post?  jgraz   Jun-27-08 09:27 PM   #37 
              - not a troll, just a spectacle. and i never expected it either...  dionysus   Jun-27-08 10:01 PM   #64 
                 - You are being downright nasty  Gilligan   Jun-28-08 01:06 AM   #102 
  - Better than siding with bush and McCain and being called too weak and afraid to stand up to the  John Q. Citizen   Jun-27-08 09:03 PM   #12 
  - I don't think Obama wants the media message to be that he sides with a couple very liberal senators  cbc5g   Jun-27-08 09:06 PM   #17 
     - The message now is that Obama is afraid of the Republicans.  jgraz   Jun-27-08 09:08 PM   #19 
        - No, hes afraid of being looked at as weak in the WoT  cbc5g   Jun-27-08 09:10 PM   #20 
           - Here. Read this and maybe you'll start to understand  jgraz   Jun-27-08 09:14 PM   #21 
           - And he has to compromise and not appear weak in the WOT,  cbc5g   Jun-27-08 09:24 PM   #31 
              - He just appears weak on the constitution to me. I bet to a lot of swing voters as well.  John Q. Citizen   Jun-27-08 09:26 PM   #35 
                 - Weak on fourth amendment- upsets some dems ...weak on terror - upsets the electorate  cbc5g   Jun-27-08 09:55 PM   #62 
                    - Your argument is the electorate doesn't care about the constitution or the rule of law?  John Q. Citizen   Jun-27-08 10:04 PM   #67 
                       - 59,000,000 people that voted for George W. Bush's reelection is my data.  cbc5g   Jun-27-08 10:05 PM   #68 
                          - Instead of the war hero with all the combat medals? You just don't get it do you?  John Q. Citizen   Jun-27-08 10:16 PM   #75 
                             - Uh, thats the data that you wanted..  cbc5g   Jun-27-08 10:17 PM   #76 
           - You said it. He's afraid. That's not good. Just watch, his numbers will suffer. You will blame the  John Q. Citizen   Jun-27-08 09:17 PM   #23 
              - Bingo. Watch those poll numbers slide.  jgraz   Jun-27-08 09:18 PM   #24 
                 - And when they slide, the Repos will say it's because he's too liberal. And the suckers will tremble  John Q. Citizen   Jun-27-08 09:22 PM   #27 
                    - Yep. I've seen gerbils that learn faster than Democrats.  jgraz   Jun-27-08 09:22 PM   #29 
                       - You two are great defeatists  cbc5g   Jun-27-08 09:24 PM   #32 
                          - Yeah, I'm not buying it.  jgraz   Jun-27-08 09:26 PM   #34 
                          - The fact that he is not siding with Kucinich first Dems  cbc5g   Jun-27-08 09:27 PM   #36 
                          - Wrong again. The 4th amendment is not a "far left loon" issue.  jgraz   Jun-27-08 09:29 PM   #39 
                          - Well according to Congress, it is. And Congress represents the people  cbc5g   Jun-27-08 09:31 PM   #41 
                             - Wow. This country is completely fucked.  jgraz   Jun-27-08 09:43 PM   #52 
                                - Get a life  cbc5g   Jun-27-08 09:45 PM   #56 
                                   - Hey, I have one. Would you like to borrow it some time?  jgraz   Jun-27-08 09:46 PM   #57 
                                      - I'm sorry you cant get a date. But really, you should take a deep breath  cbc5g   Jun-27-08 09:46 PM   #59 
                          - Oh, he sided with us before he sided with McCain and bush. And you.  John Q. Citizen   Jun-27-08 09:29 PM   #40 
                             - And many of the democrats in congress  cbc5g   Jun-27-08 09:32 PM   #42 
                                - Wrong. At least have the decency to know what the fuck you're talking about.  jgraz   Jun-27-08 09:38 PM   #47 
                                - Maybe when the poster throws away their TV and starts reading for information.  John Q. Citizen   Jun-27-08 09:42 PM   #51 
                                - By 23? Well maybe you should be Obama's political advisor  cbc5g   Jun-27-08 09:43 PM   #53 
                                   - And you don't even have the basic stones to admit a mistake  jgraz   Jun-27-08 09:45 PM   #55 
                                      - i think you need to relax, spark a j or something man...  dionysus   Jun-27-08 09:53 PM   #60 
                                      - It's called stupid again. The same stupid that's lost us the White House repeatedly.  John Q. Citizen   Jun-27-08 10:12 PM   #70 
                                      - .  cbc5g   Jun-27-08 10:15 PM   #71 
                                      - What do you want me to do? Condemn Obama? How will that help anything?  cbc5g   Jun-27-08 10:15 PM   #72 
                                      - I want you to quit arguing in favor of being stupid. I like Obama, and worked very hard  John Q. Citizen   Jun-27-08 10:27 PM   #77 
                                      - That is exactly what they want you to do.. I have never  peacetrain   Jun-28-08 03:11 PM   #113 
                                      - i think, as political junkies like we are here ,that you are vastly overestimating the impact this  dionysus   Jun-27-08 10:16 PM   #74 
                                      - I'm worried because this has spilt the base off so strongly. Just tonight on our local  John Q. Citizen   Jun-27-08 10:38 PM   #83 
                                      - Obama is about to find out how many of us took his grass-roots message seriously.  jgraz   Jun-27-08 10:41 PM   #84 
                                      - well i can't argue with that, i understand this  dionysus   Jun-27-08 10:41 PM   #85 
                                      - I don't think we are adversaries. I just think that this has been a strategic blunder on  John Q. Citizen   Jun-27-08 11:05 PM   #93 
                                      - i'll guess we'll both be here in november to see it play out huh  dionysus   Jun-27-08 11:08 PM   #94 
                                      - And it also suggests that he can't count  truedelphi   Jun-28-08 12:58 AM   #101 
                                      - Some people can't admit they were wrong. Just the way it is.  John Q. Citizen   Jun-27-08 10:06 PM   #69 
                                - I think you are mistaken. If you add up all the votes in Congress you will see that a majority  John Q. Citizen   Jun-27-08 09:40 PM   #48 
                          - YOU are the one who doesn't get it  Gilligan   Jun-28-08 01:11 AM   #103 
  - He's ALREADY being called too liberal  Prophet 451   Jun-28-08 12:05 AM   #100 
  - So, 105 Democratic Congressmen are voting for McCain?  Labors of Hercules   Jun-27-08 09:37 PM   #45 
  - Yeah, a minority of Dems voted to invade Iraq too. That was great for our party, wasn't it?  John Q. Citizen   Jun-27-08 09:46 PM   # 
  - Nice comparison of apples to kumquats. nt.  Labors of Hercules   Jun-27-08 09:54 PM   #61 
     - My point is the same as Truman's was. You can't beat Repos by trying to out Repo them, to  John Q. Citizen   Jun-27-08 10:02 PM   #65 
  - A fucking retard?  Bluenorthwest   Jun-27-08 11:10 PM   #95 
  - I see that's your favorite talking point tonight in multiple threads  hokies4ever   Jun-27-08 09:58 PM   #63 
  - No, maybe you should wake the fuck up and take note of how the media operates.  cryingshame   Jun-27-08 10:03 PM   #66 
  - Ok, use the FISA vote as your determining factor ....  krkaufman   Jun-28-08 01:37 AM   #104 
  - Third times a charm?  sandnsea   Jun-27-08 08:49 PM   #2 
  - What exactly would you like us to shut up about? And what am I getting in line behind?  jgraz   Jun-27-08 08:58 PM   #6 
     - Obama's stance has more to do with the party unity  thewiseguy   Jun-27-08 09:00 PM   #8 
        - Really? I don't see a lot of unity with 25 Senators voting to uphold the filibuster.  jgraz   Jun-27-08 09:02 PM   #10 
           - There are 49 democratic senators, not 25  thewiseguy   Jun-27-08 09:03 PM   #14 
              - Point?  jgraz   Jun-27-08 09:04 PM   #15 
              - You have no idea what you are talking about  thewiseguy   Jun-27-08 09:05 PM   #16 
                 - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-27-08 09:07 PM   #18 
                    - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-27-08 09:19 PM   #25 
                       - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-27-08 09:25 PM   #33 
                          - hmmm, hookay...  dionysus   Jun-27-08 09:29 PM   #38 
                             - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-27-08 09:33 PM   #43 
                                - you are serving yourself up on a silver platter of foolishness...  dionysus   Jun-27-08 09:35 PM   #44 
                                - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-27-08 09:40 PM   #49 
                                   - what are you gonna do, kick my ass? egg my car? TP my house?  dionysus   Jun-27-08 09:42 PM   #50 
                                      - No, just put you on ignore. What a waste of energy you turned out to be.  jgraz   Jun-27-08 09:44 PM   #54 
                                         - why? because i don't want to throw the election away?  dionysus   Jun-27-08 09:46 PM   #58 
                                            - No, because you want to avoid a debate with bullshit accusations  jgraz   Jun-27-08 10:38 PM   #82 
                                               - wow you're a smidge touchy.  dionysus   Jun-27-08 10:49 PM   #87 
                                - I give you the Kucinich medal for purity  cbc5g   Jun-27-08 09:37 PM   #46 
                                   - There you go. Piss on one of the few real patriots in Congress  jgraz   Jun-27-08 10:36 PM   #80 
              - Yes, and 25 voted for the filibuster. Which part of that don't you understand?  jgraz   Jun-27-08 11:41 PM   #98 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-27-08 08:57 PM   #5 
  - i guess you can diss that candidate all you want as long as you add the  dionysus   Jun-27-08 10:33 PM   #78 
     - Actually you can dis the candidate with no disclaimer.  jgraz   Jun-27-08 10:44 PM   #86 
        - unless you are on a message board that is moderated and has rules, ya know...  dionysus   Jun-27-08 10:50 PM   #88 
           - And you've been promoted to admin... when?  jgraz   Jun-27-08 10:52 PM   #89 
              - i never said that. you're trying to storm the bastille before we even control it. that is my point.  dionysus   Jun-27-08 10:53 PM   #90 
                 - Hmm, I think a news spectacle is a great idea.  jgraz   Jun-27-08 10:58 PM   #91 
                    - although i agree with that in principle,i do not think that makes sense in general election politics  dionysus   Jun-27-08 11:02 PM   #92 
                       - We're Democrats. What do we know about General Election politics?  jgraz   Jun-27-08 11:40 PM   #97 
                          - um, yea um...... we know stuff... and stuff.. important things...  dionysus   Jun-27-08 11:50 PM   #99 
                             - I don't think there's much hope.  zlt234   Jun-28-08 02:08 AM   #105 
  - Here: Cenk Uygar of The Young Turks says it better than I can  jgraz   Jun-27-08 09:01 PM   #9 
  - i do agree with kos here, but, since it's so much fun, here's my counter-argument  unblock   Jun-27-08 09:16 PM   #22 
  - i like that. good writing  dionysus   Jun-27-08 10:34 PM   #79 
     - thanks :)  unblock   Jun-27-08 10:37 PM   #81 
  - Sorry, but if the candidate and the campaign panders repeatedly to the right and alienate their base  depakid   Jun-27-08 10:16 PM   #73 
  - This kind of post is exactly what the article is talking about.  zlt234   Jun-28-08 02:11 AM   #106 
     - Hey, I'm not blaming anyone- just looking at how things work IN REAL LIFE  depakid   Jun-28-08 02:28 AM   #107 
        - Yes, it is Poly Sci 101.  zlt234   Jun-28-08 02:43 AM   #108 
           - That's the conventional mainstream media "wisdom" not poly sci 101  depakid   Jun-28-08 03:06 AM   #110 
              - Congressional elections are different than Presidential elections.  zlt234   Jun-28-08 03:03 PM   #112 
  - Obama needs to remain true to himself  Bluenorthwest   Jun-27-08 11:21 PM   #96 
  - We nominate someone every four years  TheKentuckian   Jun-28-08 03:02 AM   #109 
  - Obama is already considered weak on defense issues, that's why we need a VP like Clark or Webb  LVjinx   Jun-28-08 03:03 PM   #111 

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