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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 09:20 PM
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20. Were the Bush/Cheney trends to continue for another decade or two,
do you not think Americans would become upset enough to at least go on a general strike?

I mean it's the very enslavement that you and I agree has occurred that leads me and, apparently, something like 3/4 of DUers to support the second amendment.

That it hasn't worked yet doesn't mean it won't be useful later.
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  -So Americans have the right to "bear arms" Cali_Democrat  Jun-26-08 08:55 PM   #0 
  - Suggest you read the Heller opinion particularly the part I quote below.  jody   Jun-26-08 08:58 PM   #1 
  - It only applies to those with guns in their own homes. Right?  LiberalFighter   Jun-26-08 09:09 PM   #16 
  - No, see quote below from the opinion.  jody   Jun-26-08 09:16 PM   #17 
  - Where is the rest of the opinion?  LiberalFighter   Jun-26-08 11:04 PM   #28 
     - On the effing internets. Look for it. Make an effort. Lift a finger.  Hoof Hearted   Jun-27-08 12:24 AM   #33 
     - Excuse me! Don't tell me what to do. The person was referring to the opinion as their source.  LiberalFighter   Jun-27-08 04:26 PM   #94 
     - Link below.  jody   Jun-27-08 06:51 AM   #74 
        - Thanks  LiberalFighter   Jun-27-08 04:27 PM   #95 
  - Sigh  dmesg   Jun-27-08 06:27 PM   #99 
  - So basically its open to interpretation?  dbmk   Jun-27-08 06:39 PM   #102 
  - Yes, the 2nd amendment is safe. And all the gun-wavers did nothing  TOJ   Jun-26-08 08:58 PM   #2 
  - I agree.  WHEN CRABS ROAR   Jun-26-08 09:00 PM   #4 
  - absolutely right -- and we can see how their being so heavily armed has kept Bush at bay  villager   Jun-26-08 09:05 PM   #11 
  - Yep  Cali_Democrat   Jun-26-08 09:08 PM   #13 
  - You ignore the fact that RKBA is primarily about self-defense and secondarily about defense of state  jody   Jun-26-08 09:25 PM   #22 
  - Arms don't specifically refer to guns  Cali_Democrat   Jun-26-08 09:31 PM   #23 
  - I never said arms referred only to guns, and the Heller opinion said:  jody   Jun-26-08 09:33 PM   #24 
  - If Heller strictly intpreted the constitution, we should be able to carry grenades or even nukes  Cali_Democrat   Jun-26-08 09:37 PM   #26 
     - It's heartening to know that Obama supported a similar ban in Chicago, I dont know why he's changed  Hoof Hearted   Jun-27-08 12:32 AM   #36 
     - I agree re violence. The Constitution protects my right to keep and bear arms, specifically firearms  jody   Jun-27-08 06:57 AM   #75 
     - Grenades & nukes ... exaggerate much?  dbaker41   Jun-27-08 01:37 PM   #84 
  - The implication is quite clear though.  Zynx   Jun-28-08 08:52 AM   #110 
  - I am not ignoring anything. Many of the pro-gun people say that  TOJ   Jun-27-08 07:50 PM   #106 
  - No kidding  sandnsea   Jun-27-08 01:51 PM   #85 
  - Compare Supremes on GITMO vs DC GUN BAN.  ieoeja   Jun-27-08 02:03 PM   #87 
  - How else can we fight the fascist takeover of our country?  anonymous171   Jun-26-08 09:00 PM   #3 
  - Soo the group that kills the most people wins?  WHEN CRABS ROAR   Jun-26-08 09:04 PM   #9 
  - no stupid its "Bear Arms" [PIC]  bushmeat   Jun-26-08 09:00 PM   #5 
  - ...  Cali_Democrat   Jun-26-08 10:08 PM   #27 
  - Darn. I thought it meant my bear friends could have arms!!  truedelphi   Jun-26-08 09:01 PM   #6 
  - You misunderstood.  Liberal Veteran   Jun-26-08 09:02 PM   #7 
  - I thought it meant that Men and Women have the right to sleeveless shirts.  BlueJazz   Jun-26-08 09:06 PM   #12 
  - The right to Arm Bears  rwenos   Jun-26-08 09:03 PM   # 
  - NAPALM!!! Fun for the whole family!!  Clovis Sangrail   Jun-26-08 09:03 PM   #8 
  - I don't think NAPALM is illegal. n/t  ieoeja   Jun-27-08 02:11 PM   #88 
  - I guess now we could get rid of all the courts now... we can all settle  Middle finga   Jun-26-08 09:04 PM   #10 
  - Non sequitur...  NYC_SKP   Jun-26-08 09:08 PM   #14 
  - We've been enslaved by the Bush Administration  Cali_Democrat   Jun-26-08 09:16 PM   #18 
  - Were the Bush/Cheney trends to continue for another decade or two,  NYC_SKP   Jun-26-08 09:20 PM   #20 
  - You don't understand  Cali_Democrat   Jun-26-08 11:55 PM   #29 
  - Because your Congress has given it to him.  Thothmes   Jun-27-08 07:31 AM   #76 
  - Might be...  krispos42   Jun-27-08 02:33 PM   #90 
  - If the US government turned REALLY oppressive  dbmk   Jun-27-08 07:06 PM   #104 
  - same right we've always had...nothings changed.  ileus   Jun-26-08 09:09 PM   #15 
  - true, but with the ruling DC and other areas can exercise those rights  GoldieAZ49   Jun-26-08 09:19 PM   #19 
  - I dunno, but when do we get to arm bears?  Hippo_Tron   Jun-26-08 09:21 PM   #21 
  - I'm happy with this decision - now I'll stop getting those whiny letters from the NRA  tularetom   Jun-26-08 09:35 PM   #25 
  - Nope  MonkeyFunk   Jun-26-08 11:56 PM   #30 
  - My point is that the Second Amendment is bullshit because it's so outdated  Cali_Democrat   Jun-27-08 12:17 AM   #31 
     - I lived for 10 years in East Palo Alto, CA  MonkeyFunk   Jun-27-08 12:19 AM   #32 
     - I know it changed very little  Cali_Democrat   Jun-27-08 12:25 AM   #34 
     - Then get off your butt and work for an Amendment to the  Thothmes   Jun-27-08 07:33 AM   #77 
     - Then the appropriate response to amend the constitution  northernsoul   Jun-27-08 11:30 AM   #82 
     - The devastation and violence in your community...  krispos42   Jun-27-08 02:35 PM   #91 
     - You mean Los Angelas, where they are BANNED? nt  dmesg   Jun-27-08 06:28 PM   #100 
     - We have a process for repealing an amendment, and it's even been done once  slackmaster   Jun-27-08 07:34 PM   #105 
     - Then perhaps it should be repealed then. That's really the only Constitutional...  stevietheman   Jun-28-08 08:49 AM   #109 
     - I lived in a town where virtually everyone has guns, lots of them.  Zynx   Jun-28-08 08:54 AM   #111 
  - Actually, it means that  Zavulon   Jun-27-08 12:28 AM   #35 
  - I'm sure you do use guns lawfully  Cali_Democrat   Jun-27-08 12:40 AM   #37 
     - Unless you can magically eliminate every gun on Earth,  Zavulon   Jun-28-08 03:02 AM   #107 
  - If you want to end criminal violence...  Nabeshin   Jun-27-08 12:44 AM   #38 
  - yes  Two Americas   Jun-27-08 01:19 AM   #39 
  - Read The Constitution again my friend  Cali_Democrat   Jun-27-08 01:24 AM   #40 
     - really, you're being silly  MonkeyFunk   Jun-27-08 01:32 AM   #41 
     - Read a dictionary  Cali_Democrat   Jun-27-08 01:37 AM   #42 
        - ok, you've just shown  MonkeyFunk   Jun-27-08 01:40 AM   #44 
        - It's not my fault the Supreme Court cant strictly interpret the constitution  Cali_Democrat   Jun-27-08 01:44 AM   #47 
           - we are discussing bearing arms  MonkeyFunk   Jun-27-08 01:50 AM   #51 
        - I agreed with you  Two Americas   Jun-27-08 01:45 AM   #48 
        - which private company makes nukes?  MonkeyFunk   Jun-27-08 01:57 AM   #54 
           - from "Who Are They?"  Two Americas   Jun-27-08 02:33 AM   #65 
              - On what website do they have them sale to the public.  Thothmes   Jun-27-08 07:36 AM   #79 
                 - of course  Two Americas   Jun-27-08 11:12 AM   #80 
        - But it is there opinion on the issue that counts. Not yours.  Thothmes   Jun-27-08 07:34 AM   #78 
     - I don't think you read my post  Two Americas   Jun-27-08 01:37 AM   #43 
        - The 2nd Amendment says that we have a right to "bear arms."  Cali_Democrat   Jun-27-08 01:41 AM   #45 
           - And if you'd READ today's decision  MonkeyFunk   Jun-27-08 01:41 AM   #46 
           - 5-4 decision because of a conservative majority  Cali_Democrat   Jun-27-08 01:46 AM   #49 
              - What a pointless response  MonkeyFunk   Jun-27-08 01:49 AM   #50 
                 - here is the deal  Two Americas   Jun-27-08 01:52 AM   #53 
                 - That's nice  MonkeyFunk   Jun-27-08 01:58 AM   #55 
                    - "that's nice?"  Two Americas   Jun-27-08 02:44 AM   #67 
                 - Because they referred to the 2nd amendment that says Americans have the right to keep and bear arms  Cali_Democrat   Jun-27-08 02:00 AM   #56 
                    - so it's complete bullshit because it didn't anticipate future weapons?  MonkeyFunk   Jun-27-08 02:02 AM   #58 
                       - "so it's complete bullshit because it didn't anticipate future weapons?"  Cali_Democrat   Jun-27-08 02:06 AM   #60 
                          - This is where you're showing ignorance  MonkeyFunk   Jun-27-08 02:09 AM   #61 
                             - I know  Cali_Democrat   Jun-27-08 02:22 AM   #63 
           - you are extremely confused  Two Americas   Jun-27-08 01:50 AM   #52 
              - Now I'm confused about your post  Cali_Democrat   Jun-27-08 02:01 AM   #57 
              - I actually see what you're saying now  Cali_Democrat   Jun-27-08 02:51 AM   #69 
                 - lol  Two Americas   Jun-27-08 02:55 AM   #71 
  - Several comments about your posts here  Mr. Blonde   Jun-27-08 02:05 AM   #59 
  - It would definitely take years in order to rid our society of guns  Cali_Democrat   Jun-27-08 02:20 AM   #62 
     - My mother hit 4 of them in the course of about 2 years  Mr. Blonde   Jun-27-08 02:32 AM   #64 
     - I've actually had deer meat before  Cali_Democrat   Jun-27-08 02:38 AM   #66 
     - "It would be a bloody job"  cherokeeprogressive   Jun-27-08 02:55 AM   #70 
  - Maybe you should just GO to Russia, let them know you're in the market for a suitcase nuke, and see  cherokeeprogressive   Jun-27-08 02:47 AM   #68 
  - You want an Iraq style street war to end gun violence?  TheKentuckian   Jun-27-08 04:52 AM   #72 
     - "Every government that has forcibly disarmed it's people has gone rogue. "  dbmk   Jun-27-08 06:25 PM   #98 
        - It's kind of the blueprint of dictators  dmesg   Jun-27-08 06:34 PM   #101 
           - Precisely  dbmk   Jun-27-08 06:43 PM   #103 
  - Zoinks  FlyingSquirrel   Jun-27-08 04:54 AM   #73 
  - I can go to Arkansas and load up my truck with easily converted semi-automatic weapons  crankychatter   Jun-27-08 11:20 AM   #81 
  - You realize that many progressives DO support the second amendment, right?  olkaz   Jun-27-08 11:45 AM   #83 
  - Bringing in a suitcase nuke would be a customs issue!  JVS   Jun-27-08 01:55 PM   #86 
  - Discrete vs. non-discrete weapons  krispos42   Jun-27-08 02:26 PM   #89 
  - and another graceful loser...  old mark   Jun-27-08 02:39 PM   #92 
  - This is a ridiculous post and an absolute strawman  socordsx   Jun-27-08 02:43 PM   #93 
  - The pry them from my cold dead fingers sentiment  TheKentuckian   Jun-27-08 05:51 PM   #96 
     - "All prohibitions are stupid"  dbmk   Jun-27-08 06:19 PM   #97 
  - Well, in this economy, I doubt we'll have the right to "bull arms" anytime soon.  HypnoToad   Jun-28-08 07:34 AM   #108 
 

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