| 16. Let us all now fast forward to November. Please. For pities sake. Please. |
| -Going Home With the Guy What Brung Me |
NanceGreggs |
Jun-26-08 08:17 PM |
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I'm not extremely happy about it |
senseandsensibility |
Jun-26-08 08:20 PM |
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Sounds more like a plan than a principle |
Demeter |
Jun-26-08 08:21 PM |
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Nance K & R for you missy. |
MadMaddie |
Jun-26-08 08:22 PM |
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I agree |
FLDem5 |
Jun-26-08 08:22 PM |
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Excellent post. |
Phx_Dem |
Jun-26-08 08:25 PM |
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My dear Nance! |
CaliforniaPeggy |
Jun-26-08 08:26 PM |
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Well, you and Senator Obama just have a good time, missy |
JeffR |
Jun-26-08 08:27 PM |
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And I'm proud to have brought you your fifth rec! |
CaliforniaPeggy |
Jun-26-08 08:27 PM |
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K & R |
Scurrilous |
Jun-26-08 08:28 PM |
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Thank you for sharing my thoughts |
Duder |
Jun-26-08 08:35 PM |
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Great post |
malaise |
Jun-26-08 08:37 PM |
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Wonderful post. K&R |
Blondiegrrl |
Jun-26-08 08:40 PM |
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You have clearly stolen your first line from Barney Frank who has |
saracat |
Jun-26-08 08:43 PM |
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No, actually I clearly stole the first line from myself ... |
NanceGreggs |
Jun-26-08 09:49 PM |
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Did you use before Barney ran for office the first time? Because he has used it regularly since then |
saracat |
Jun-26-08 10:28 PM |
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I never heard Barney Frank use it but I have seen Molly Ivins |
jonnyblitz |
Jun-26-08 10:31 PM |
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Yes, it was one of Molly Ivins's favorite lines. Of course, when she said it, |
QC |
Jun-26-08 10:43 PM |
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I just skimmed her piece, i am getting sleepy. thanks for pointing |
jonnyblitz |
Jun-26-08 10:44 PM |
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Not "some obligation"... simply a desire to see the candidate elected. |
redqueen |
Jun-27-08 09:34 AM |
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Thank you. It seems we have gone from a candidate |
Jakes Progress |
Jun-27-08 10:10 AM |
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you are about to erupt into spontaneous concernbustion.... |
dionysus |
Jun-27-08 01:12 PM |
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So concern is a bad thing? |
Jakes Progress |
Jun-27-08 06:17 PM |
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That thought in some form or other has been used from |
ooglymoogly |
Jun-27-08 11:23 AM |
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No, I don't think I've ever heard him use it ... |
NanceGreggs |
Jun-26-08 10:47 PM |
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sad, sad sad. now resorting to plagerism accusations?!? can you leave a single damn favorable post |
dionysus |
Jun-27-08 01:10 PM |
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Not even close, SC. The line is very common in the South and Midwest. |
blondeatlast |
Jun-27-08 11:35 AM |
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Fact is, many folks had hoped NOT to have a lesser of two evils |
depakid |
Jun-26-08 08:43 PM |
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So if they vote McCain instead of Obama they are "expressing dissent" |
TBF |
Jun-26-08 10:04 PM |
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I never said that |
depakid |
Jun-27-08 12:05 AM |
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So which states are "safe" in your opinion. |
TBF |
Jun-27-08 08:10 AM |
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So Democrat means toe your personally approved left line or else |
HousePainter |
Jun-27-08 11:41 AM |
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"safe States" |
jonmiller74 |
Jun-27-08 02:20 PM |
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Welcome to DU |
helderheid |
Jun-28-08 11:50 AM |
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On point |
Raine |
Jun-26-08 08:48 PM |
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Let us all now fast forward to November. Please. For pities sake. Please. |
bluerum |
Jun-26-08 09:06 PM |
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The main difference between your position and mine |
Jackpine Radical |
Jun-26-08 09:17 PM |
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LOL |
senseandsensibility |
Jun-26-08 11:32 PM |
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No such problem here ... |
NanceGreggs |
Jun-27-08 12:30 AM |
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Well said, as always Nance |
yellowdogintexas |
Jun-26-08 09:22 PM |
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Thank you, Nance, for saying so |
zidzi |
Jun-26-08 09:31 PM |
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Here's another K & R and a "well said" |
KarenS |
Jun-26-08 09:31 PM |
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Thank. You. Nance. |
Hekate |
Jun-26-08 09:40 PM |
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The Cons are going to go to great lengths to sabotage Obama's run... |
Dr_eldritch |
Jun-26-08 09:44 PM |
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Fantabulous! |
sybylla |
Jun-26-08 09:45 PM |
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I'm taking off 4 points for grammar and 2 for your dismount... |
SaveAmerica |
Jun-26-08 09:54 PM |
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Also vital |
skepticscott |
Jun-26-08 10:00 PM |
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I think he should be able to take DEM voters for granted during a general election. |
redqueen |
Jun-27-08 09:44 AM |
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After the election, sure... put his feet to the flames... but [b]HOW[/b]? nt |
TooBigaTent |
Jun-27-08 10:26 AM |
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After the election? |
skepticscott |
Jun-27-08 08:00 PM |
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Name removed |
Jun-26-08 10:02 PM |
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I don't even agree with myself sometimes..... |
FrenchieCat |
Jun-26-08 10:07 PM |
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It's not egocentric to "whine" about priniciples. |
Bluebear |
Jun-26-08 10:12 PM |
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Love the O'Reilly rant signature....LOL |
1Hippiechick |
Jun-26-08 10:32 PM |
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:) |
Bluebear |
Jun-26-08 10:57 PM |
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Absolutely right on!If this is to be our "only choice' we damn well better make sure it is a good |
saracat |
Jun-26-08 10:36 PM |
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Yep, keep pounding that square Obama peg into that round Kucinich hole... |
SidneyCarton |
Jun-27-08 11:32 AM |
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What have we got to smack him with, saracat? |
aquart |
Jun-27-08 12:45 PM |
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When you're right, you're right. |
Bluebear |
Jun-27-08 05:29 PM |
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I wish she hadn't said "whine". She clearly distinguished |
redqueen |
Jun-27-08 09:46 AM |
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Just be clear about what you are whining over. |
HousePainter |
Jun-27-08 12:31 PM |
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Jun-26-08 10:13 PM |
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. |
1Hippiechick |
Jun-26-08 10:34 PM |
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Gee, what an incredibly intelligent, thoughtful and ... |
NanceGreggs |
Jun-26-08 11:30 PM |
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Christ almighty I thought you were going home with me. |
grantcart |
Jun-26-08 10:23 PM |
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But is he going to be Obama? Whoever that is? |
demokatgurrl |
Jun-27-08 08:25 AM |
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John Hall for President! At least he has courage! He might not have brung us but at least he knows |
saracat |
Jun-26-08 10:32 PM |
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He's not running. |
FrenchieCat |
Jun-26-08 10:40 PM |
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What he did, as a freshman Rep, in a GOP dominated district took guts something our nominee has yet |
saracat |
Jun-26-08 11:34 PM |
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Why would Obama want to take political risks |
woolldog |
Jun-27-08 12:32 AM |
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Then it wouldn't even BE a risk for him to defend the constitution would it? |
saracat |
Jun-27-08 01:04 AM |
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Do us all a favor and google "Pyhrric Victory" Saracat, |
SidneyCarton |
Jun-27-08 11:36 AM |
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you may choose |
quaker bill |
Jun-28-08 07:49 AM |
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Who is staying home? Not me! I may have to hold my nose voting for the nom but my down ticket Dems |
saracat |
Jun-28-08 01:44 PM |
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too bad. |
rodeodance |
Jun-26-08 10:34 PM |
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Well said, Nance. But I have to respectfully disagree. |
bertman |
Jun-26-08 10:40 PM |
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Perhaps you might want to think about going into politics. |
FrenchieCat |
Jun-26-08 10:42 PM |
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K&R n/t |
WIllo |
Jun-26-08 10:54 PM |
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Nance, you've got it exactly backwards: It's our dance and we brung HIM |
jgraz |
Jun-26-08 10:55 PM |
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Okay, jgraz, let's look it at from that perspective ... |
NanceGreggs |
Jun-26-08 11:26 PM |
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How many of "we" support his capitulation on FISA? |
jgraz |
Jun-26-08 11:30 PM |
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Did he? |
NanceGreggs |
Jun-26-08 11:32 PM |
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He was vocal in his support of the compromise... |
Solon |
Jun-26-08 11:40 PM |
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C'mon, Nance. We both know you're smarter than that. |
jgraz |
Jun-26-08 11:46 PM |
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Your points are, for the most part, valid ones. |
NanceGreggs |
Jun-26-08 11:56 PM |
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No one is even beginning to approach a scintilla of a suggestion that we vote against Obama |
jgraz |
Jun-27-08 12:01 AM |
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There is a difference between speaking up ... |
NanceGreggs |
Jun-27-08 12:14 AM |
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As there is a difference between undermining our candidate and simply speaking up. |
jgraz |
Jun-27-08 12:32 AM |
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We are in agreement. |
NanceGreggs |
Jun-27-08 12:42 AM |
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As long as you spend just as much time trying to get him elected... |
Kristi1696 |
Jun-27-08 08:16 AM |
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I totally disagree with your premise. |
jgraz |
Jun-27-08 10:42 AM |
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I believe that Democracy is about working to elect the person who best represents your views. |
Kristi1696 |
Jun-27-08 11:10 AM |
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So how do you let him know that you dislike his actions on FISA? |
jgraz |
Jun-27-08 11:15 AM |
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Are you assuming Obama reads DU? |
Kristi1696 |
Jun-27-08 11:32 AM |
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I doubt he does -- but I bet people on his staff do. |
jgraz |
Jun-27-08 11:36 AM |
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write him, like you write your senator. |
psychmommy |
Jun-27-08 12:02 PM |
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Of course. But I'm not going to do that in silence. |
jgraz |
Jun-27-08 12:18 PM |
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agreed. |
psychmommy |
Jun-27-08 01:29 PM |
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Criticism is positive only to a degree, |
SidneyCarton |
Jun-27-08 11:39 AM |
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I'll err on the side of the nitpickers. I only hope Obama can stand up against my attacks. |
jgraz |
Jun-27-08 11:46 AM |
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I suppose in the end it is not a question of Obama's weakness |
SidneyCarton |
Jun-27-08 12:19 PM |
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The last people we need to fear are the bitter dead-enders on this board |
jgraz |
Jun-27-08 12:53 PM |
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I Sometimes Forget That I'm Not the Only One Who Remembers That We're SUPPOSED to Be Critical |
Toasterlad |
Jun-27-08 05:07 PM |
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You State He Has Valid Points |
fascisthunter |
Jun-27-08 10:18 AM |
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I'm not dismissing anything ... |
NanceGreggs |
Jun-27-08 04:03 PM |
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Nance... don't misunderstand me |
fascisthunter |
Jun-27-08 04:30 PM |
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There is no need to ask for my patience ... |
NanceGreggs |
Jun-27-08 04:54 PM |
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I Understand |
fascisthunter |
Jun-27-08 04:58 PM |
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Good for you, Nance. I'm voting for Obama, and I'm pissed off that he would throw the constitution |
John Q. Citizen |
Jun-27-08 12:36 PM |
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The 4th Amendment ? |
HousePainter |
Jun-27-08 01:20 PM |
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You just keep believing that. |
jgraz |
Jun-27-08 03:26 PM |
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So explain to me what the differences are between this revision of the FISA law |
HousePainter |
Jun-27-08 03:41 PM |
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No thanks. You do your own homework like the rest of us. |
jgraz |
Jun-27-08 03:51 PM |
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I've done my homework, my question is have you ? |
HousePainter |
Jun-27-08 05:00 PM |
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FISA- cast in concrete for all time? |
HousePainter |
Jun-27-08 12:55 PM |
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You mean Obama would be *for* illegal wiretaps before he was *against* them? |
jgraz |
Jun-27-08 01:00 PM |
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When did Obama ever say he was for "illegal wiretaps" ? |
HousePainter |
Jun-27-08 02:35 PM |
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Just imagine what the talking heads will say if Obama tries to overturn this FISA capitulation. |
jgraz |
Jun-27-08 02:37 PM |
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You mean if after the heat of campaign battle when he is in his honeymoon |
HousePainter |
Jun-27-08 03:15 PM |
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He'll never do that. Ever. |
jgraz |
Jun-27-08 03:23 PM |
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So you really don't have much faith in Obama's character at all do you? |
HousePainter |
Jun-27-08 03:43 PM |
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I have faith in nothing. I go on evidence. |
jgraz |
Jun-27-08 03:52 PM |
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Who gives back power? |
aquart |
Jun-27-08 01:05 PM |
#144 |
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So I guess your concerns about Obama are deeper than |
HousePainter |
Jun-27-08 02:13 PM |
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I can't help laughing. Just can't. |
aquart |
Jun-27-08 12:38 PM |
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I can't help not giving a shit what you think. Just can't |
jgraz |
Jun-27-08 12:59 PM |
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So let's hear your plan for bringing him the rest of the way |
HousePainter |
Jun-27-08 12:40 PM |
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The guy has a 15-point lead on Grampy McFail. How much help does he need? |
jgraz |
Jun-27-08 01:06 PM |
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Right, so the thing to do is hand Grampy McFail a bat |
HousePainter |
Jun-27-08 02:00 PM |
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Yep, it's called arguing from a position of strength. |
jgraz |
Jun-27-08 02:19 PM |
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There is a fairly large portion of the population that would say |
HousePainter |
Jun-27-08 03:05 PM |
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Being afraid of what idiots will say is weakness, no matter how you spin it. |
jgraz |
Jun-27-08 03:18 PM |
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I 'm sure if the Obmama camapign which has shown itself to be masterful |
HousePainter |
Jun-27-08 04:57 PM |
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Masterful or not, this is a huge error and the Repugs are already rubbing his face in it. |
jgraz |
Jun-27-08 05:17 PM |
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Okay I'd be glad to see the next move by McCain and Co. |
HousePainter |
Jun-27-08 05:33 PM |
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I think it was Brownback who was gloating, but I could be wrong. |
jgraz |
Jun-27-08 05:37 PM |
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Here's the video |
jgraz |
Jun-27-08 07:35 PM |
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So many people long to see themselves as victims....I remember an almost perfect candidate... |
Rowdyboy |
Jun-26-08 10:58 PM |
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It's worse than that, Ms. Greggs. |
tomreedtoon |
Jun-26-08 11:27 PM |
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The question is HOW will we hold him accountable after he wins the election? |
Solon |
Jun-26-08 11:39 PM |
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I don't see this as the lesser of "two evils" ... |
NanceGreggs |
Jun-26-08 11:50 PM |
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Ever since I was old enough to vote, I've voted against the greater of two evils... |
Solon |
Jun-27-08 12:00 AM |
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wow--that old huh? |
Blue_Roses |
Jun-27-08 08:45 AM |
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I resemble this post |
FarceOfNature |
Jun-27-08 12:12 AM |
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I'm just demoralized about the whole system... |
Solon |
Jun-27-08 12:27 AM |
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As Markos said, we don't have a choice. |
Tatiana |
Jun-26-08 11:48 PM |
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Amen. |
NanceGreggs |
Jun-26-08 11:57 PM |
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It's painful to you that you are not the nominee? |
Hoof Hearted |
Jun-27-08 12:39 AM |
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Yes, it is. |
NanceGreggs |
Jun-27-08 12:57 AM |
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One election cycle at a time |
TheKentuckian |
Jun-27-08 03:27 AM |
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Jun-27-08 01:43 AM |
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... |
blogslut |
Jun-27-08 04:59 AM |
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Hearty K&R |
loyalsister |
Jun-27-08 02:35 AM |
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Brava! This line says it all: |
Mad_Dem_X |
Jun-27-08 07:03 AM |
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Well, actually, it was about me. During the primaries. |
aquart |
Jun-27-08 12:59 PM |
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Yet again, an eloquent and thoughtful post that hits the nail on the head. |
BrklynLib at work |
Jun-27-08 07:09 AM |
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I have always supported imperfect candidates. |
LibFromWV |
Jun-27-08 07:16 AM |
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It's not about "letting him say or do anything" to get elected |
HousePainter |
Jun-27-08 02:33 PM |
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Your opening sentence |
Irishonly |
Jun-27-08 08:03 AM |
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... |
Blue_Roses |
Jun-27-08 08:21 AM |
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As always, a brilliant testimony! What I don't understand from the dissenters |
Liberal_Stalwart71 |
Jun-27-08 08:25 AM |
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The problem is seeing democracy as one choice made on Election Day |
jgraz |
Jun-27-08 11:09 AM |
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Damn Nance, you never fail to wow me. K/R. |
Window |
Jun-27-08 08:48 AM |
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Then you have no principles at all |
Sentath |
Jun-27-08 08:59 AM |
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Fucking realist! |
ResetButton |
Jun-27-08 09:32 AM |
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Thank You, Nance |
flakey_foont |
Jun-27-08 09:40 AM |
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Since when does defending the Constitution and the rule of law constitute a "whiny complaint... |
Seabiscuit |
Jun-27-08 09:44 AM |
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It doesn't. |
gcomeau |
Jun-27-08 11:29 AM |
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You couldn't be more full of it. |
Seabiscuit |
Jun-28-08 10:12 AM |
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The "joys" of "principles"... |
rasputin1952 |
Jun-27-08 09:49 AM |
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K&R - I agree completely. |
Laurab |
Jun-27-08 10:18 AM |
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Umm.. wayelll |
ananda |
Jun-27-08 10:33 AM |
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Nancy, another... |
GTurck |
Jun-27-08 10:33 AM |
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Kick and a couple of minor points... |
saddlesore |
Jun-27-08 11:06 AM |
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I think most all on DU agree with you., however; |
ooglymoogly |
Jun-27-08 11:09 AM |
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I totally agree he should be made aware ... |
NanceGreggs |
Jun-27-08 12:28 PM |
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As always I admire your thought process. |
ooglymoogly |
Jun-28-08 11:19 AM |
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On November 4th 2008 I will be voting for Sen. Barack Obama. All else is . . . |
papapi |
Jun-27-08 11:18 AM |
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Thank you Nance |
SidneyCarton |
Jun-27-08 11:26 AM |
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Smoker? That is soooo awesome and says sooo much |
durrrty libby |
Jun-27-08 11:43 AM |
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Thank You NanceGreggs |
HousePainter |
Jun-27-08 11:45 AM |
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My question: Why is it necessary for Nance to have to say this? At DU!!! |
Buzz Clik |
Jun-27-08 12:05 PM |
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You're supposed to DANCE with the guy that brung you, not GO HOME with him! |
XemaSab |
Jun-27-08 12:40 PM |
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As a guy who probably was first standing in the voting booth |
StephenB48 |
Jun-27-08 12:53 PM |
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K/R ... LET OBAMA WIN !!! |
phrigndumass |
Jun-27-08 12:58 PM |
#139 |
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Perfect Politicians -- and most particularly perfect presidents... |
PRT |
Jun-27-08 12:59 PM |
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Great post! |
Politicub |
Jun-27-08 01:05 PM |
#145 |
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More self-hating, straw woman drivel. |
Lilith Velkor |
Jun-27-08 01:06 PM |
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More keyboard psychobabble ... |
NanceGreggs |
Jun-27-08 02:03 PM |
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Yeah, it's not like it's obvious or anything. |
Lilith Velkor |
Jun-27-08 03:25 PM |
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care to elaborate? |
dionysus |
Jun-27-08 08:28 PM |
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Agreed |
jonmiller74 |
Jun-27-08 02:23 PM |
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I like what you wrote.. and I am of that certain age also |
peacetrain |
Jun-27-08 02:34 PM |
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Let's get a Democrat elected president, and |
old mark |
Jun-27-08 02:37 PM |
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Let's see, last election cycle we got enough Democrats elected to have a majority in both bodies |
bertman |
Jun-28-08 12:19 AM |
#205 |
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Well said |
ut oh |
Jun-27-08 02:53 PM |
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Thanks Nance! (You have my vote) |
Xenocrates |
Jun-27-08 03:36 PM |
#170 |
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So the Constitution being shredded means nothing to you? |
TheGoldenRule |
Jun-27-08 03:53 PM |
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Yuppers, that's exactly what I said. |
NanceGreggs |
Jun-27-08 04:05 PM |
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Sorry if the truth hurts but that is EXACTLY what your OP boils down to. nt |
TheGoldenRule |
Jun-27-08 04:08 PM |
#179 |
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Mm hmm ... |
NanceGreggs |
Jun-27-08 04:16 PM |
#180 |
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You're a good writer-you can do better than that. Why not discuss this like an adult? |
TheGoldenRule |
Jun-27-08 10:36 PM |
#204 |
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Name removed |
Jun-27-08 03:54 PM |
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Wow ,I thought I was cynical. |
HousePainter |
Jun-27-08 05:30 PM |
#190 |
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I find it interesting and baffling that you call me a cynic... |
Joe Fields |
Jun-27-08 06:37 PM |
#196 |
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Thank you Joe |
DaDooRonRon |
Jun-27-08 07:57 PM |
#199 |
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K and R, and I would vote for YOU. |
OwnedByFerrets |
Jun-27-08 05:02 PM |
#186 |
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(Oops, double-posted) |
Waiting For Everyman |
Jun-27-08 06:19 PM |
#194 |
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I'm a nobody newbie here Nance, and... |
Waiting For Everyman |
Jun-27-08 06:19 PM |
#195 |
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His vote on FISA upset me, too |
liberaltrucker |
Jun-27-08 06:38 PM |
#197 |
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I don't know why people are so shocked he's centrist. |
fiamma mama |
Jun-27-08 08:22 PM |
#201 |
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Kick it, baby!! |
Arctic Dave |
Jun-27-08 08:26 PM |
#202 |
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You are correct |
quaker bill |
Jun-28-08 07:41 AM |
#206 |
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"Error: you can only recommend threads which were started in the past 24 hours" |
Vickers |
Jun-28-08 07:41 AM |
#207 |
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As I've been reading this and other threads where I and others have expressed |
bertman |
Jun-28-08 10:47 PM |
#213 |