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rudy23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-24-08 01:37 PM
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16. If the elites in our government want warrantless searches, and most of the American people want it
who do we expect to drive Congress to vote against this?

The only people who care about the Constitution any more are idealists, and we are the shit on the bottom of their shoes. We have neither the money, nor the votes to do this. Are they really going to respond to anything besides money and votes?

Our country is currently a sham.
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  -Tomorrow's FISA vote means government can keep spying even if court says no. madfloridian  Jun-24-08 12:13 PM   #0 
  - I don't know WTF these idjits are doing, unless there was a need  cliffordu   Jun-24-08 12:16 PM   #1 
  - But it's time for a summer vacation.  kentuck   Jun-24-08 12:18 PM   #2 
  - I'm suprised by the amount of 'democrats' that don't see this as a big deal.  clevbot   Jun-24-08 12:19 PM   #3 
  - It is a big deal.  madfloridian   Jun-24-08 12:38 PM   #4 
     - If they're not a part of the "solution"  mrone2   Jun-24-08 12:46 PM   #5 
     - Data-mining.  PassingFair   Jun-24-08 06:59 PM   #27 
        - I had not looked at it that way.  madfloridian   Jun-24-08 10:36 PM   #33 
           - Everything is run through their filter.  PassingFair   Jun-25-08 07:36 AM   #36 
  - According to the majority here  Gilligan   Jun-24-08 12:52 PM   #6 
  - Our military fights to preserve the rights our Congress is giving away  madfloridian   Jun-24-08 12:53 PM   #7 
  - There is simply NO NEED for this bill.  sourmilk   Jun-24-08 12:59 PM   #8 
  - But But...they just made it legal to do it. And said it would stop them from doing it.  madfloridian   Jun-24-08 01:01 PM   #9 
  - I guess this point is so true that it has been overlooked.  midnight   Jun-24-08 01:19 PM   #14 
  - Has there been any coverage of this at all on TV news?  Marie26   Jun-24-08 01:03 PM   #10 
  - It's too complicated for them to understand.  madfloridian   Jun-24-08 01:05 PM   #11 
  - What is the Democratic Presidential Candidate doing to  midnight   Jun-24-08 01:18 PM   #12 
  - He does not have to come out  Gilligan   Jun-24-08 01:21 PM   #15 
  - Why is this even allowed to come up for a vote? More Proof that we need new leaders in the Senate  BrentTaylor   Jun-24-08 01:19 PM   #13 
  - If the elites in our government want warrantless searches, and most of the American people want it  rudy23   Jun-24-08 01:37 PM   #16 
  - Could you show me a poll saying that about the American people?  madfloridian   Jun-24-08 01:41 PM   #17 
  - I think it's going to mean even more than that.  gkhouston   Jun-24-08 01:42 PM   #18 
  - They will all get away with all of the evils our country has done the last 8 years.  madfloridian   Jun-24-08 02:26 PM   #20 
  - It's ok if Democrats do it to us.  madfloridian   Jun-24-08 02:13 PM   #19 
  - Thanks K&R ! n/t  slipslidingaway   Jun-24-08 02:36 PM   #21 
  - Greenwald - The New Republic syndrome  slipslidingaway   Jun-24-08 02:46 PM   #22 
  - Good name for the syndrome.  madfloridian   Jun-26-08 01:01 AM   #37 
     - Yes and thanks for all the FISA threads...  slipslidingaway   Jun-26-08 12:12 PM   #44 
  - Question Obama's motives....listen to what his advisor said.  madfloridian   Jun-24-08 02:51 PM   #23 
  - They are all falling in line.  madfloridian   Jun-24-08 03:06 PM   #24 
  - Kit Bond: "the White House got a better deal than even they had hoped to get.”  madfloridian   Jun-24-08 04:52 PM   #25 
  - I think you are right about the Telco immunity.  dailykoff   Jun-24-08 06:57 PM   #26 
  - Dems who flipped on FISA get more cash from telecoms.  madfloridian   Jun-24-08 07:00 PM   #28 
  - For $8,359???  Marie26   Jun-24-08 07:07 PM   #29 
  - Well, most here sound ok with it.  madfloridian   Jun-24-08 08:14 PM   #30 
     - I don't think that's true.  Marie26   Jun-24-08 08:56 PM   #31 
        - I see that the post advocating not fighting back....  madfloridian   Jun-24-08 09:05 PM   #32 
           - You are looking too deeply into hoakie DU statistics  Zodiak Ironfist   Jun-24-08 11:30 PM   #35 
  - I think it has more to do with preventing the pending lawsuits from going to trial  mrone2   Jun-26-08 12:25 PM   #46 
  - K&R  latebloomer   Jun-24-08 10:59 PM   #34 
  - * l *  Sees Clearly   Jun-26-08 07:58 AM   #38 
  - Once routed overseas, spying on Dems is perfectly legal!!  L. Coyote   Jun-26-08 08:13 AM   #39 
  - Rather than listen to our concerns,  Jakes Progress   Jun-26-08 08:25 AM   #40 
  - "we on the internet" is most of the population!! Speak for yourself,  L. Coyote   Jun-26-08 08:50 AM   #42 
     - I was speaking in agreement with your analysis.  Jakes Progress   Jun-26-08 12:23 PM   #45 
  - Good point about routing overseas to bypass laws...More from Klein  madfloridian   Jun-29-08 01:51 PM   #49 
  - Here is a Slate column  Jakes Progress   Jun-26-08 08:47 AM   #41 
  - That is exactly why I don't call Bill Nelson anymore.  madfloridian   Jun-28-08 11:35 AM   #48 
  - Too late to recommend. Thanks MF n/t  Catherina   Jun-26-08 09:11 AM   #43 
  - FISA is a serious bill. It is gutting the 4th amendment.  madfloridian   Jun-27-08 09:57 PM   #47 
  - Wait a minute, weren't all or most of those provisions in the original  johnaries   Jun-29-08 02:13 PM   #50 
 

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