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roseBudd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-22-08 08:32 PM
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6. Next you are going to tell us Obama must announce he will ban guns & this will win over voters
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  -Three reasons why Obama's FISA capitulation is DISASTROUS: dailykoff  Jun-22-08 08:25 PM   #0 
  - are you just now figuring out Obama is a politican and not a miracle? n/t  Skittles   Jun-22-08 08:26 PM   #1 
  - I'm saying that even politically it's a disaster.  dailykoff   Jun-22-08 08:29 PM   #4 
  - Comparing Kerry's IWR vote to Obama's stance on FISA is curious.  hulka38   Jun-22-08 11:40 PM   #66 
  - Hoyer doesn't take his orders from Obama. Blame Pelosi, blame Reid, but Obama's not responsible for  leveymg   Jun-23-08 06:36 PM   #81 
     - Obama is responsible for his OWN capitulation. He said we need it  dailykoff   Jun-23-08 08:42 PM   #82 
     - So far, he's voted against it.  leveymg   Jun-24-08 07:30 AM   #84 
  - It's going to be a very sharp jolt for many here.  MonkeyFunk   Jun-22-08 09:52 PM   #50 
  - Oh go away  JoFerret   Jun-22-08 08:28 PM   #2 
  - Okay, you've convinced me  WesDem   Jun-22-08 08:29 PM   #3 
  - Since he hasn't voted for it yet, I'm still hoping he won't.  dailykoff   Jun-22-08 08:30 PM   #5 
     - Next you are going to tell us Obama must announce he will ban guns & this will win over voters  rosebud57   Jun-22-08 08:32 PM   #6 
        - You fail to address the point. What does Obama gain by supporting this FISA bill? n/t  Tatiana   Jun-22-08 08:38 PM   #10 
        - Every vote between now & Nov. is a trap, if McCain wins we are screwed  rosebud57   Jun-22-08 08:56 PM   #23 
           - Again, what does Obama GAIN from supporting this FISA bill?  Tatiana   Jun-22-08 09:52 PM   #49 
           - I'm relieved to see more people asking this question..  FarceOfNature   Jun-22-08 10:10 PM   #54 
              - I'm waiting for someone to answer that question. ***CRICKETS*** n/t  Tatiana   Jun-22-08 10:44 PM   #61 
                 - Tatiana, please post this as a separate OP. I'd love to hear the responses. Someone, please  chimpymustgo   Jun-23-08 05:52 AM   #71 
                 - It HAS been answered. The vote is a trap.  bluerum   Jun-23-08 07:10 AM   #74 
                    - "The vote is a trap" does not tell me what Obama gains from supporting the "trap."  Tatiana   Jun-23-08 11:48 AM   #78 
                       - Just saying - there were several responses to your "question".  bluerum   Jun-23-08 11:56 AM   #79 
           - That's my take - every vote betw. now and Nov is a trap...  Triana   Jun-22-08 09:52 PM   #51 
        - Ban Guns! That got Gore and Kerry elected -- Didn't It? n/t  jody   Jun-22-08 08:41 PM   #16 
  - Honestly, I think his statement was a floater.  Tatiana   Jun-22-08 08:32 PM   #7 
  - That could be.  dailykoff   Jun-22-08 08:38 PM   #11 
  - Agreed. I will be satisfied with a NO vote. n/t  Tatiana   Jun-22-08 08:39 PM   #12 
  - Does he have any principles of his own? This shouldn't be  HopeLives   Jun-22-08 08:55 PM   #22 
  - I thought it was a floater, too.  gkhouston   Jun-22-08 08:58 PM   #27 
  - Obama should do the right thing. PERIOD. I am sick to death of him playing politics.  TheGoldenRule   Jun-22-08 09:34 PM   #44 
     - He's a politician. Of course he'll end up playing politics.  Tatiana   Jun-22-08 09:37 PM   #45 
     - I'm with you.  emilyg   Jun-22-08 09:59 PM   #52 
  - Your purity balls are showing.  Liberal Veteran   Jun-22-08 08:33 PM   #8 
  - oh get off that ridiculous meme.  FarceOfNature   Jun-22-08 10:12 PM   #55 
  - Water under the bridge. He isn't jesus so cut it with the temptation crap.  bluerum   Jun-22-08 08:36 PM   #9 
  - He has a lot to lose if he votes for it.  dailykoff   Jun-22-08 08:40 PM   #13 
     - Just don't see it. Once he is office he can deal with it.  bluerum   Jun-22-08 08:51 PM   #21 
     - I think it will make it harder for him to win.  dailykoff   Jun-22-08 08:56 PM   #24 
        - Terrorism is real, it's not the Easter bunny  rosebud57   Jun-22-08 08:59 PM   #28 
           - If Obama runs on terra McCain wins.  dailykoff   Jun-22-08 09:03 PM   #33 
           - Voting against it will hurt him more. It's that simple.  bluerum   Jun-22-08 09:09 PM   #35 
           - This vote is a trap, that the OP doesn't sense this is strange or is it concern  rosebud57   Jun-22-08 09:13 PM   #39 
              - It is, but voting FOR it is what snaps it shut on his leg.  dailykoff   Jun-22-08 09:15 PM   #42 
              - One more time. Campaign fodder. Simple. Stupid. Campaign fodder.  bluerum   Jun-23-08 06:51 AM   #73 
              - How so? Why would Reid and Pelosi try to entrap Obama? They're the majority leaders  LVjinx   Jun-22-08 10:54 PM   #63 
           - Says who?  me b zola   Jun-22-08 10:22 PM   #58 
           - True, but it isn't a major threat  eridani   Jun-22-08 09:29 PM   #43 
     - You think it would be a disaster, that is an opinion, not a fact. I don't want him to blow  rosebud57   Jun-22-08 08:58 PM   #26 
        - What does he say in the debate when they ask him why he flipflopped?  dailykoff   Jun-22-08 09:02 PM   #32 
           - one Senate vote is 1/60 of the votes required, berate 49 other Dem Senators  rosebud57   Jun-22-08 09:11 PM   #38 
  - Falling for republican traps...AGAIN !  jaysunb   Jun-22-08 08:40 PM   #14 
  - Temptation in the desert?  cbayer   Jun-22-08 08:40 PM   #15 
  - Okay well at least you get the reference.  dailykoff   Jun-22-08 08:46 PM   #18 
     - Yes you are. That was a deliberately chosen historical and  Erin Elizabeth   Jun-22-08 08:58 PM   #25 
        - Fine, he's not Jesus. If you can think of a better allusion,  dailykoff   Jun-22-08 08:59 PM   #29 
           - The problem is, he's not OBAMA - the change agent we've been told for months will not sell out,  chimpymustgo   Jun-23-08 05:59 AM   #72 
  - There is only one way we'll win this -- carefully, prudently and with more than a little finesse  melody   Jun-22-08 08:43 PM   #17 
  - Yes, that's a good point.  dailykoff   Jun-22-08 08:49 PM   #20 
     - Hopefully he will get elected, that IS job one.  rosebud57   Jun-22-08 09:01 PM   #30 
  - Self delete  tridim   Jun-22-08 08:48 PM   #19 
  - Congress has been giving Bush everything anyway.  Life Long Dem   Jun-22-08 09:01 PM   #31 
  - Really? That's the ONE issue that distinguishes Obama from McCain?  Cronus Protagonist   Jun-22-08 09:08 PM   #34 
  - Obama has two issues to win on: the war and the economy.  dailykoff   Jun-22-08 09:11 PM   #36 
  - I don't know what test he failed..  stillcool47   Jun-22-08 09:11 PM   #37 
  - Give it a fucking rest. nt  Kahuna   Jun-22-08 09:13 PM   #40 
  - I think there are very few single issue voters on FISA  high density   Jun-22-08 09:14 PM   #41 
  - no there are probably not FISA single issue voters, but there ARE gov't intrusion single voters..  FarceOfNature   Jun-22-08 10:16 PM   #57 
  - It's a trust issue.  FarceOfNature   Jun-22-08 10:24 PM   #59 
  - The whole bill is a disaster  Mojorabbit   Jun-22-08 11:40 PM   #65 
  - Please follow my part in a related DU discussion here:  pnorman   Jun-22-08 09:42 PM   #46 
  - I doubt there are many voters out there for whom FISA is a deal-breaker.  nsd   Jun-22-08 09:44 PM   #47 
  - I don't think the electorate is nearly so out of touch as you imagine.  dailykoff   Jun-22-08 09:47 PM   #48 
     - To get an idea of what regular voters care about, just look at the MSM coverage.  nsd   Jun-22-08 10:05 PM   #53 
     - If no one cares, then why not do the right thing and vote NO?  OwnedByFerrets   Jun-23-08 08:07 AM   #76 
     - Oh no, they are.  PM7nj   Jun-22-08 10:29 PM   #60 
  - I haven't seen anything of him saying he will vote for the bill as is.  cui bono   Jun-22-08 10:15 PM   #56 
  - Some people don't even know what FISA is or what the bill does,  FrenchieCat   Jun-22-08 10:50 PM   #62 
     - The problem is that Obama is running for president.  dailykoff   Jun-22-08 11:35 PM   #64 
     - "stop the bill from going to the floor for a vote" - THANK YOU!  Zhade   Jun-22-08 11:41 PM   #67 
     - yeah, that's another good question.  FarceOfNature   Jun-23-08 02:22 AM   #68 
     - I think you are right.  cui bono   Jun-23-08 02:44 AM   #69 
     - Good Point Frenchie  davidpdx   Jun-23-08 03:04 AM   #70 
     - Thank you, Obama is not a 60% of the Senate, he is 1% of the Senate  rosebud57   Jun-23-08 07:25 AM   #75 
     - How can the man that has become the face of the party  LibFromWV   Jun-23-08 12:00 PM   #80 
  - Why doesn't he just put a "Hold" on the bill? Or does that magic trick only work for Republicans?  ToeBot   Jun-23-08 11:35 AM   #77 
  - I don't think he has much control over anything but his own vote.  dailykoff   Jun-23-08 08:45 PM   #83 
  - unless there is something we can't see obama is just  natrat   Jun-24-08 07:39 AM   #85 
 

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