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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 04:55 PM
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57. Free speech runs two ways, Last I checked......
But when the media is hammering Obama on one issue, to pile in...although there has yet to be a senate vote, and Obama was clear that he will support the Dodd amendment, I think that the breathless drama on the FISA issue, when Obama states clearly that he will work to remove that provision from the bill is hot air, ImO.

Meanwhile the media is doing a job on Obama. What have you done in reference to that? Anything, or just thrown your hands up in the air in reference to the media, and how we can make a difference?
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  -With friends like us, who's got time to fight the enemy? Barack is getting fucked before he starts! FrenchieCat  Jun-20-08 03:49 PM   #0 
  - Agreed. Obama's feet SHOULD be held to the fire, but...  SteppingRazor   Jun-20-08 03:51 PM   #1 
  - Exactly! Obama got this far  zidzi   Jun-20-08 06:20 PM   #89 
  - Yep. 200% support until November, then have at it.  Dr_eldritch   Jun-20-08 06:30 PM   #93 
  - The problem with having a big tent. nt  anonymous171   Jun-20-08 03:51 PM   #2 
  - There are some people who don't belong in the Democratic tent,  bvar22   Jun-20-08 08:29 PM   #104 
  - The man cannot win for losing. I can't say that I'm not disappointed in some of his recent  Liberal_Stalwart71   Jun-20-08 03:51 PM   #3 
  - Because it takes less work dogging out your own?  FrenchieCat   Jun-20-08 03:59 PM   #19 
  - If Obama loses, we will be partly responsible because we allow  Liberal_Stalwart71   Jun-20-08 04:10 PM   #29 
  - I hate to say this but...  butterfly77   Jun-20-08 04:01 PM   #22 
     - The attacks on Michelle says it all...  Liberal_Stalwart71   Jun-20-08 04:22 PM   #37 
     - And a most blacks know this...  butterfly77   Jun-20-08 04:32 PM   #43 
        - Yes, because Obama played the race card first...  Liberal_Stalwart71   Jun-20-08 04:35 PM   #46 
           - Ok, Hillirate...  butterfly77   Jun-20-08 04:53 PM   #52 
           - Exactly! Here's how it works...  Liberal_Stalwart71   Jun-20-08 05:16 PM   #66 
           - Sorry.....  Jazzgirl   Jun-20-08 06:11 PM   #85 
     - Listen, even Feingold has a problem with Obama's not opting for public funding.  jasmine621   Jun-20-08 05:04 PM   #63 
        - I prefer extra pepperoni on my pizza. n/t  Liberal_Stalwart71   Jun-20-08 05:18 PM   #67 
        - responded to wrong person - delete  48percenter   Jun-21-08 12:29 AM   #118 
        - That's all that you have ever done, is criticize OBama. In fact, you are an expert.  FrenchieCat   Jun-20-08 05:21 PM   #70 
        - There is nothing wrong with criticizing our own.  Jazzgirl   Jun-20-08 06:12 PM   #86 
  - I am not aware that we who are friends are skewering him...  truedelphi   Jun-20-08 03:52 PM   #4 
  - Check out DailyKos  democrattotheend   Jun-20-08 04:20 PM   #35 
     - I rarely deal with Daily Kos. They never wanted any sort of problem  truedelphi   Jun-20-08 04:43 PM   #48 
        - Seriously...  Juniperx   Jun-20-08 04:48 PM   #49 
  - why didn't he just vote no  griffi94   Jun-20-08 03:52 PM   #5 
  - Know the issues  BornBlue   Jun-20-08 03:57 PM   #15 
  - It's called pandering.  MrCoffee   Jun-20-08 03:58 PM   #16 
  - The senate hasn't voted yet. He is a Senator.  FrenchieCat   Jun-20-08 04:00 PM   #20 
  - yes  griffi94   Jun-20-08 04:04 PM   #27 
     - Then maybe you should learn to read...  BklnDem75   Jun-21-08 12:15 AM   #117 
  - The Senate hasn't voted yet.  Connie_Corleone   Jun-20-08 04:32 PM   #42 
  - Call his office and  OwnedByFerrets   Jun-20-08 04:53 PM   #54 
  - Now, THIS is constructive. I agree with this tactic.  Liberal_Stalwart71   Jun-20-08 05:20 PM   #69 
     - Thank you LS!!  OwnedByFerrets   Jun-20-08 06:58 PM   #98 
  - Probably because the Senate hasn't voted on it yet. nt  blondeatlast   Jun-20-08 05:10 PM   #65 
  - He couldn't vote before the vote  WesDem   Jun-20-08 06:17 PM   #88 
  - asking questions about why the presumptive nominee is doing something stupid, like  niyad   Jun-20-08 03:53 PM   #6 
  - you've noticed that too?  griffi94   Jun-20-08 03:55 PM   #9 
  - for quite some time now.  niyad   Jun-20-08 04:00 PM   #21 
  - exactly. How dare we question his cave-in rhetoric on FISA!  villager   Jun-20-08 03:57 PM   #14 
  - it may be, but I am not shutting up.  niyad   Jun-20-08 04:01 PM   #24 
     - So what have you done in reference to the bashing that he is receiving in the media  FrenchieCat   Jun-20-08 04:14 PM   #34 
  - So keep slapping his face, while the media distorts and fucks him in the ass......  FrenchieCat   Jun-20-08 04:02 PM   #25 
  - He is supporting it as is, with the exception of working to take out Telcom immunity  villager   Jun-20-08 04:10 PM   #30 
  - There's a lot of fucked up Bushit  27inCali   Jun-20-08 06:37 PM   #97 
  - I'm sorry, but if he votes for it, he supports it, no matter how much sugar coating there is...  FarceOfNature   Jun-20-08 04:13 PM   #32 
  - Then don't vote for OBama......  FrenchieCat   Jun-20-08 04:30 PM   #40 
     - Way to garner support for Obama...  Juniperx   Jun-20-08 04:53 PM   #53 
     - I'm not here at DU to "sell" Barack.  FrenchieCat   Jun-20-08 05:24 PM   #72 
        - don't even presume to think that I support any other candidate thatn Barack.  FarceOfNature   Jun-20-08 05:26 PM   #75 
     - I don't need to wave my progressive action credentials around to make a valid point.  FarceOfNature   Jun-20-08 05:25 PM   #73 
  - fucks him in the ass?  Juniperx   Jun-20-08 04:52 PM   #51 
  - If Hillary would have won the primary instead of Obama,  sufrommich   Jun-20-08 06:28 PM   #92 
     - You don't know what I will do in the premising your post  FrenchieCat   Jun-20-08 07:59 PM   #102 
  - Yes, that *is* certainly an acceptable criticism, and he should be questioned about that.  Liberal_Stalwart71   Jun-20-08 04:34 PM   #45 
  - Well said!  Juniperx   Jun-20-08 04:50 PM   #50 
     - Free speech runs two ways, Last I checked......  FrenchieCat   Jun-20-08 04:55 PM   #57 
        - Get off your fucking high horse!  Juniperx   Jun-20-08 04:58 PM   #59 
           - Well, I'm just a weirdo.......  FrenchieCat   Jun-20-08 05:02 PM   #62 
              - Me too...  Juniperx   Jun-20-08 05:08 PM   #64 
                 - Not a problem.  FrenchieCat   Jun-20-08 05:18 PM   #68 
                 - It seems that the  brensgrrl   Jun-20-08 11:14 PM   #108 
  - The heavy hitters need to put the M$M in their place in regards to the  tekisui   Jun-20-08 03:54 PM   #7 
  - I hope so, too  WesDem   Jun-20-08 06:30 PM   #95 
  - It is our duty to keep his feet to the fire and hold him accountable. Sorry if that doesn't sit well  GarbagemanLB   Jun-20-08 03:54 PM   #8 
  - It is your duty to lose the election, obviously.  FrenchieCat   Jun-20-08 04:04 PM   #26 
     - Your anger is really counterproductive!  Juniperx   Jun-20-08 04:54 PM   #55 
        - Not anger....more like disgust.  FrenchieCat   Jun-20-08 04:59 PM   #60 
  - You're right. We should look the other way when a sitting Senator screws us.  MrCoffee   Jun-20-08 03:55 PM   #10 
  - Obama has yet to vote. The Senate has not voted.  FrenchieCat   Jun-20-08 04:07 PM   #28 
  - I agree!  Tim4319   Jun-20-08 03:56 PM   #11 
  - While Democrats here jump on him of the FISA Bill yet to be voted on in the senate.  FrenchieCat   Jun-20-08 04:13 PM   #33 
  - Are there a lot of repugs in DU. today? seems like it...  Imagevision   Jun-20-08 03:56 PM   #12 
  - we seem to have some 'good dems' that think Barack should be able to get Congress in line NOW...  islandmkl   Jun-20-08 03:57 PM   #13 
  - The media needs a close race for their ratings  DaveTheWave   Jun-20-08 03:59 PM   #17 
  - Fortunately most of the people trying to do so are heard by a very small group  grantcart   Jun-20-08 03:59 PM   #18 
  - MLK was hard on LBJ because he was in a position to see the injustice. It doesn't matter how "good"  uponit7771   Jun-20-08 04:01 PM   #23 
  - Frenchie I can't do it again  sandnsea   Jun-20-08 04:13 PM   #31 
  - People are either complaining or rejoicing.  ProSense   Jun-20-08 04:20 PM   #36 
  - Well, like I said, if DUers were as "worked" up by taking action against the media  FrenchieCat   Jun-20-08 04:28 PM   #38 
  - Republicans unite behind their canddiates while the left splinters.  Radical Activist   Jun-20-08 04:30 PM   #39 
  - That's what is so fucking sad. That folks here feel like they don't make a difference  FrenchieCat   Jun-20-08 04:31 PM   #41 
  - Exactly! That's what's so appalling. Yes, criticize him, but get the guy fucking elected!!  Liberal_Stalwart71   Jun-20-08 04:41 PM   #47 
  - Good Luck...n/t  Steely_Dan   Jun-20-08 04:33 PM   #44 
  - Well, you have the option to vote for McCain... (no?)  Imagevision   Jun-20-08 04:55 PM   #56 
  - A true friend tells you when you have dog poop on your face...  Youphemism   Jun-20-08 04:58 PM   #58 
  - But what about the media that is skewering him now for his refusal of  FrenchieCat   Jun-20-08 05:01 PM   #61 
  - In case you haven't noticed...  Youphemism   Jun-20-08 05:23 PM   #71 
     - I don't have a problem with what you have stated......  FrenchieCat   Jun-20-08 05:27 PM   #77 
        - I didn't call them ineffective... I gave a suggestion to make them more effective...  Youphemism   Jun-20-08 05:47 PM   #81 
           - Boy are you good. I bow my head in awe n/t  Catherina   Jun-20-08 05:56 PM   #82 
  - exactly how I feel. Thank you for articulating it so well  FarceOfNature   Jun-20-08 05:29 PM   #78 
  - We can either hold the man accountable for his actions or not...  Solon   Jun-20-08 05:26 PM   #74 
  - Take a break for a while if it's affecting you this much  Catherina   Jun-20-08 05:27 PM   #76 
  - Maybe I'm pissed because the threads below sunk.....  FrenchieCat   Jun-20-08 05:30 PM   #79 
     - Well I just kicked and recommended them and others will too  Catherina   Jun-20-08 05:35 PM   #80 
  - I agree and if you agree with the OP you might agree with this:  grantcart   Jun-20-08 06:02 PM   #83 
  - Big Picture..  zidzi   Jun-20-08 11:14 PM   #109 
  - Frenchie, I guess the main issue is we can't agree  Jazzgirl   Jun-20-08 06:08 PM   #84 
  - It's the curse of being an informed voter--often, your chosen candidate  Arkana   Jun-20-08 06:14 PM   #87 
  - The genteel and pure here, are taking exception to your language  crankychatter   Jun-20-08 06:23 PM   #90 
  - Absolutely! Wait until he gets elected & THEN progressives hold his (or ANYONE's) feet to the fire  cloudythescribbler   Jun-20-08 06:24 PM   #91 
  - isn't that closing the barn doors after the horse is already out? the only thing politicians care a  FourPieRun   Jun-20-08 07:12 PM   #99 
     - Welcome to DU. That's my take too. n/t  Catherina   Jun-20-08 07:14 PM   #100 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-20-08 06:30 PM   #94 
  - Edit: Good riddance to bad rubbish. nt  blondeatlast   Jun-20-08 06:35 PM   #96 
  - Refer to...  RNdaSilva   Jun-20-08 07:28 PM   #101 
  - I'm worried too, FrenchieCat. Failure is not an option.  Olney Blue   Jun-20-08 08:13 PM   #103 
  - I don't know...I'm baffled by it.  AZBlue   Jun-20-08 11:04 PM   #105 
  - The question is whether we want his victory to be ours as well...  Solon   Jun-20-08 11:08 PM   #106 
     - So does the 2nd step come before the 1st step.....  FrenchieCat   Jun-20-08 11:10 PM   #107 
     - They don't have to happen chronologically...  Solon   Jun-20-08 11:15 PM   #110 
     - It can't.  AZBlue   Jun-20-08 11:48 PM   #112 
     - Sometimes you have to focus on one prize only.  AZBlue   Jun-20-08 11:44 PM   #111 
        - The biggest difference between us is that I do not trust Obama...  Solon   Jun-20-08 11:49 PM   #113 
           - I'm totally willing to hold him accountable.  AZBlue   Jun-20-08 11:55 PM   #114 
           - The problem is WHEN will be the right time to hold him accountable?  Solon   Jun-21-08 12:00 AM   #116 
           - That's a great point. *We* aren't required to *worship* our candidates...  villager   Jun-21-08 12:58 AM   #119 
  - He needs to to carve out a path and we need to help him  bambino   Jun-21-08 12:00 AM   #115 
  - Yes, we can do that after the election, and I fully expect to n/t  eridani   Jun-21-08 03:08 AM   #120 

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