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18. There are some people that are just a bit too passionate about their primary candidate
Most of the disruption on this forum during the primaries came from trolls. Proud2bMurkin was an example of this. That said there were supporters on both sides who got a far too personally involved in the primary fights.

I spent a month of my life working my ass off on Obama's campaign and all that time I was psyching myself up to get behind Hillary Clinton if Obama should lose (which after New Hampshire seemed like more than a 50% chance). A lot of people on both sides weren't preparing themselves, however.

For Clinton supporters I think there's a sense that she has paid her dues to the Democratic Party and that Obama had no right after just two years in the Senate to come in and take the nomination. Of course the McGovern-Frasier Commission specifically designed the primary system so that anybody can just come onto the scene and get the nomination without paying their dues to the party establishment. I think this is a good thing. The Republicans put a high premium on seniority and it gives them candidates like Bob Dole and John McCain.

For Obama supporters it was all about the Iraq War Resolution which frankly is the most divisive thing that has happened to the Democratic Party in recent history. And that was by design. The resolution was put to a vote before the 2002 elections specifically so that Democrats would have to go on the record and either piss off a large segment of their base or piss off the majority of the country that was in support of the war at the time. Roughly half of the Democrats in the Senate voted YEA and half voted NAY. Paul Wellstone is a hero in the eyes of many for having the courage to vote NAY and then go back home and run for re-election against an extremely well funded Bush crony and many feel that the Democrats who didn't have the courage to do that are spineless wimps.

I think that day wasn't really one of the finest moments for many Democrats including Senator Clinton but I also know that people aren't perfect and politicians are politicians. Clinton would still be far superior to John McCain and anybody who thinks otherwise is delusional. I don't share the hatred of Clinton due to the IWR but I do see where it's coming from.

Anyway I wouldn't stress over it. OzarkDem and Tellurian aren't representative of any population group. They were very hardcore Hillary supporters who simply could not bring themselves to respect Obama. Their numbers are negligible as indicated by recent polling.
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  -They were not trolls, they were Democrats. last1standing  Jun-16-08 11:32 PM   #0 
  - IBTL  impeachdubya   Jun-16-08 11:36 PM   #1 
  - I'm not defending them. I know how ugly they became.  last1standing   Jun-16-08 11:41 PM   #8 
     - This is CHANGE WE CAN BELIEVE IN!!!!  chimpymustgo   Jun-17-08 12:04 AM   #49 
     - So Obama is to blame for what's going on in DU?  Katzenkavalier   Jun-17-08 12:11 AM   #53 
     - I don't know. Honestly, it was weird that long-time DU people would act that way.  impeachdubya   Jun-17-08 01:11 AM   #100 
  - There's an extreme pack mentality here.  woolldog   Jun-16-08 11:37 PM   #2 
  - T sported the Pink Logo, synonymous with a racist, hate site.  Kittycat   Jun-16-08 11:37 PM   #3 
  - I feel like Tell truly got obsessed with the whole thing.  Katzenkavalier   Jun-17-08 12:13 AM   #56 
  - Identity politics is rough....when our candidate is getting beat up, we're getting beat up  writes3000   Jun-16-08 11:38 PM   #4 
  - I don't see how identity politics fits into this  psychopomp   Jun-16-08 11:46 PM   #17 
     - True. But this being the first serious female and blac/biracial candidates...  writes3000   Jun-17-08 12:03 AM   #46 
        - I think you have a great point.  last1standing   Jun-17-08 12:14 AM   #57 
  - give it some time  rove karl rove   Jun-16-08 11:39 PM   #5 
  - What happened to us?  blogslut   Jun-16-08 11:39 PM   #6 
  - People change  psychopomp   Jun-16-08 11:40 PM   #7 
  - Okay, upon re-reading I modify my reply.  apocalypsehow   Jun-16-08 11:41 PM   #9 
  - I think you need to reread my post before freaking out.  last1standing   Jun-16-08 11:45 PM   #14 
     - Ozarkdemocrat said that John McCain was better with women issues  Ichingcarpenter   Jun-16-08 11:49 PM   #23 
        - Did you see it in 2001 when Ozarkdem joined DU?  last1standing   Jun-16-08 11:54 PM   #29 
        - you obviously weren't here for Jiacinto and Padraig. Some people live for that shit  cryingshame   Jun-16-08 11:56 PM   #33 
        - I wasn't?  last1standing   Jun-17-08 12:01 AM   #42 
        - I know when she joined...... but at the same time  Ichingcarpenter   Jun-17-08 12:00 AM   #40 
        - Sorry, I'm not calling out your time here.  last1standing   Jun-17-08 12:04 AM   #47 
           - I joined in Jan 2007, but the OzarkDem I knew  Katzenkavalier   Jun-17-08 12:16 AM   #59 
           - I agree. She was irrational as were so many supporters of both candidates.  last1standing   Jun-17-08 12:21 AM   #67 
              - You know what it is?  Katzenkavalier   Jun-17-08 12:27 AM   #73 
                 - Excellent analysis.  last1standing   Jun-17-08 12:31 AM   #74 
                    - In a way, Bush has something to do with it, and I believe this is it.  Katzenkavalier   Jun-17-08 12:39 AM   #80 
                    - I can see that as being a part of it.  last1standing   Jun-17-08 01:07 AM   #98 
                    - maybe so, things have gotten worse in this country since 2004, i didn't think it  chimpsrsmarter   Jun-17-08 12:41 AM   #82 
                       - Some of the surrogates were disgusting.  last1standing   Jun-17-08 01:09 AM   #99 
           - I'm hiding the thread, so I can stay out trouble  Ichingcarpenter   Jun-17-08 12:19 AM   #65 
        - I will miss Ozarkdem and I cringe when I see her points misrepresented and twisted.  FarceOfNature   Jun-17-08 12:41 AM   #83 
           - The Admins & Mods seem to disagree with you. Perhaps you should take it up with them -  apocalypsehow   Jun-17-08 12:45 AM   #85 
           - Nothing Ozarkdem said was misrepresented but it was twisted.  last1standing   Jun-17-08 12:50 AM   #87 
           - Her points were not misrepresented. She repeated them numerous times.  Tatiana   Jun-17-08 01:32 AM   #103 
        - Agreed. OzarkDem had to go.  hokies4ever   Jun-16-08 11:59 PM   #38 
           - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Jun-17-08 12:10 AM   #52 
  - Tellurian was no dem. The others were but Tellurian was not.  anonymous171   Jun-16-08 11:42 PM   #10 
  - It hated Kerry too, if I recall nt  Truth Hurts A Lot   Jun-16-08 11:59 PM   #39 
     - Yep, but I bet you never threatened to vote for Bush and undermine Kerry in the 2004 elections.  anonymous171   Jun-17-08 12:01 AM   #43 
        - Did she do that?  Katzenkavalier   Jun-17-08 12:17 AM   #61 
           - Tellurian had a "hillaryis44" badge on their sig line.  anonymous171   Jun-17-08 12:20 AM   # 
  - Political polarization can bring out the best and the worst in people.  Selatius   Jun-16-08 11:43 PM   #11 
  - Maybe if they hadn't gone apeshit, they'd still be around.  Starbucks Anarchist   Jun-16-08 11:43 PM   #12 
  - If Tellurian was a Democrat, I'm the fucking Queen of England  newmajority   Jun-16-08 11:44 PM   #13 
  - oh, is that so?  rove karl rove   Jun-16-08 11:47 PM   #19 
  - So why did she spend over six years here?  last1standing   Jun-16-08 11:48 PM   #22 
     - My guess is perhaps Tellurian became too emotionally invested in Hillary  Selatius   Jun-16-08 11:55 PM   #30 
        - She owns Hillaryis44?  Katzenkavalier   Jun-17-08 12:18 AM   #64 
        - I think so, too.  last1standing   Jun-17-08 12:26 AM   #72 
  - Me and about every other Obama supporter I saw went far out of our way to give the boosters  apocalypsehow   Jun-16-08 11:45 PM   #15 
  - I am sorry that they were banned  question everything   Jun-16-08 11:46 PM   #16 
  - Implying that Obama is not a citizen is not "contructive criticism"  SemiCharmedQuark   Jun-16-08 11:48 PM   #21 
  - I am sorry that that HAD to be banned.  last1standing   Jun-16-08 11:52 PM   #26 
  - I don't spend a lot of time here but I did read the post that was first locked  question everything   Jun-17-08 12:58 AM   # 
     - You've pulled one comment from one subject that not everyone agrees on.  last1standing   Jun-17-08 01:29 AM   #102 
  - 'Groupthink' is insulting to me ....... you for one, usually  Ichingcarpenter   Jun-16-08 11:56 PM   #34 
  - That you cannot see what I question is your problem  question everything   Jun-17-08 12:12 AM   #54 
     - Is the answer "everything"?  Blue-Jay   Jun-17-08 12:13 AM   #55 
  - personal opinion and criticizing are not the issue...  Blue_Roses   Jun-16-08 11:58 PM   #37 
  - There are some people that are just a bit too passionate about their primary candidate  Hippo_Tron   Jun-16-08 11:47 PM   #18 
  - pfffft.  Blue-Jay   Jun-16-08 11:48 PM   #20 
  - Racism's a bitch, ain't it?  monomach   Jun-16-08 11:51 PM   #24 
  - That they can, and maybe they are racists.  last1standing   Jun-16-08 11:57 PM   #36 
  - That's the only explanation I can think of. Obama was gracious  Truth Hurts A Lot   Jun-17-08 12:00 AM   #41 
     - they were not racists n/t  Skittles   Jun-17-08 12:16 AM   #60 
     - I think part of that is he WAS gracious....  PatGund   Jun-17-08 12:54 AM   #91 
  - I am sorry, but I lost too many friends here in 2003, who NEVER...  madfloridian   Jun-16-08 11:52 PM   #25 
  - Democrats have been guilty of fucked up stuff too, you know.  FrenchieCat   Jun-16-08 11:52 PM   #27 
  - OzarkDem is gone?  DesertedRose   Jun-16-08 11:54 PM   #28 
  - Well, I wouldn't say I've been missing it Bob...  Blue-Jay   Jun-16-08 11:55 PM   #31 
  - I missed it too but can't say I'm surprised  Raine   Jun-17-08 01:42 AM   #105 
  - This Obama supporter would be chanting Hillary 08. TOo much on the line to hold grudges.  barack the house   Jun-16-08 11:55 PM   #32 
  - Exactly why I consider myself a liberal  ampad   Jun-16-08 11:57 PM   #35 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Jun-17-08 12:02 AM   #44 
  - Good question. nt  gateley   Jun-17-08 12:02 AM   #45 
  - The few that were Democrats  me b zola   Jun-17-08 12:04 AM   #48 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Jun-17-08 12:05 AM   #50 
  - this primary brought out some ugly things in people i never would have expected.  chimpsrsmarter   Jun-17-08 12:06 AM   #51 
  - I'm Still Here  Dinger   Jun-17-08 12:15 AM   #58 
  - "What caused good Democrats to..." Childishness and stupidity, that's what  alcibiades_mystery   Jun-17-08 12:17 AM   #62 
  - Tellurian was no friend of the Democrats  Gilligan   Jun-17-08 12:17 AM   #63 
  - Tellurian is a man or a woman?  Katzenkavalier   Jun-17-08 12:21 AM   #69 
     - His real name is Alex Rodiguez  newmajority   Jun-17-08 12:33 AM   #76 
  - There were plenty of people who got TS'd after the last primary.  Crunchy Frog   Jun-17-08 12:20 AM   #66 
  - I know the site you're talking about and it wasn't the same.  last1standing   Jun-17-08 12:24 AM   #71 
     - Those Hillary supporters left by their own choice.  Crunchy Frog   Jun-17-08 12:34 AM   #77 
        - I'm not trying to say that they weren't responsible for their own actions.  last1standing   Jun-17-08 12:47 AM   #86 
           - I think it was probably mostly the length and how close it was.  Crunchy Frog   Jun-17-08 12:57 AM   #93 
  - In before the  Lilith Velkor   Jun-17-08 12:21 AM   #68 
  - A love for our country combined with the squeeze which daily tightens.  chknltl   Jun-17-08 12:23 AM   #70 
  - Ignore list was/is my best friend, esp. during primaries n/t  48percenter   Jun-17-08 12:31 AM   #75 
  - It was a very close primary race, and too many Obama supporters showed too much contempt for HRC and  highplainsdem   Jun-17-08 12:38 AM   #78 
  - That's an incredibly one-sided argument.  last1standing   Jun-17-08 12:40 AM   #81 
     - You asked what created the anger. I told you. I agree with you that if  highplainsdem   Jun-17-08 12:51 AM   #88 
     - BenDavid's constant racially charged posts were pretty bad as were Tellurian's.  last1standing   Jun-17-08 01:15 AM   #101 
        - As someone who wished Gore would have run, and whose first choice of those who ran had been Edwards,  highplainsdem   Jun-17-08 01:45 AM   #106 
     - Not everyone is screwed as tightly  meowomon   Jun-17-08 12:58 AM   #94 
  - If *I* can avoid being TS'd, then there's no excuse for anybody getting pizza.  BlooInBloo   Jun-17-08 12:39 AM   #79 
  - for real.  chimpsrsmarter   Jun-17-08 12:42 AM   #84 
  - Ne'er a truer word....  last1standing   Jun-17-08 01:33 AM   #104 
  - What happened? I think this cycle produced a little expressed, copped to, or understood...  bridgit   Jun-17-08 12:53 AM   #89 
  - IMHO, this was a historic primary ... a Black American and a Woman  akbacchus_BC   Jun-17-08 12:53 AM   #90 
  - They aren't here so I'll say it for them. They didn't turn against their values.  wlucinda   Jun-17-08 12:55 AM   #92 
  - Turning the question back on me doesn't answer the question at hand.  last1standing   Jun-17-08 01:01 AM   #95 
  - They didn't turn against their values?  monomach   Jun-17-08 01:01 AM   #96 
     - Guess they did not turn on their values but who would have thought  akbacchus_BC   Jun-17-08 01:06 AM   #97 
  - Locking.  Heidi   Jun-17-08 02:01 AM   #107 

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