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Tue Jun-17-08 06:30 AM
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| 28. Did this tennis instructor say what made her the most distrustful of Obama? |
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When my mother was an avid HRC supporter, she said she didn't like the fact that Obama seemed to be everything to everybody. She wanted him to take a stand on things that were important to her: affirmative action (are you going to enforce programs where women are trained and advanced in the workplace or are you going to pretend it is a boondoggle for minorities), withdrawing on the Iraqi War, and identifying/defining the key factors in the 'war on terror' (so we know when and if it will ever be over).
She told me I didn't understand all the things women her age had faced out there in the real world (it is a generational thing and this pc world isn't what's really going on) and HRC would never do a variety of things. Mom was set and was not turning back. If we talked too long, she said she was entitled to her opinion and I was entitled to mine.
What changed her mind is HRC did those variety of things Mom believed she never would have done. Mom had already voted for her. She was disappointed but she did not instantly become a Barack Obama fan. She is taking her time to "get to know him." She definitely doesn't like McCain echoing Bush and thinks he's just too old considering the way she has changed as she's gotten older.
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| -I Had One Of "Those" Conversations With A Hillary Supporter Today... |
JimGinPA |
Jun-16-08 09:56 PM |
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Good for you! |
tabatha |
Jun-16-08 09:59 PM |
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Sounds like a gentle approach. Good idea. |
Overseas |
Jun-16-08 10:01 PM |
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Indeed, the 'approach' used during the primaries is what drove them away in the first place... |
niceypoo |
Jun-17-08 07:56 AM |
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Good..you have an opportunity and a |
zidzi |
Jun-16-08 10:01 PM |
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might not vote this year, unless Hillary is the VP"- I've heard that a thousand times among seniors |
papau |
Jun-16-08 10:05 PM |
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If that is the case, and the Repubs win... |
ingac70 |
Jun-16-08 10:13 PM |
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Really? A THOUSAND times? |
Blue-Jay |
Jun-16-08 10:22 PM |
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perhaps he spends a lot of time around some seniors with short-term memory problems. n/t |
gkhouston |
Jun-17-08 01:10 PM |
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LOL - true - but long enough to still be allowed to vote |
papau |
Jun-18-08 10:01 PM |
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correct; i think seniors could make or break obama. he needs to do some serious work there. nt |
VotesForWomen |
Jun-16-08 10:23 PM |
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My mother, in her 80s, is very disappointed Hillary lost |
dbaker41 |
Jun-17-08 12:52 PM |
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I think "no income tax on those over 65 earning |
Patiod |
Jun-17-08 01:40 PM |
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It make a good sound bite, but actually, |
shimmergal |
Jun-17-08 11:02 PM |
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People need to realize that Democrats have problems with the senior vote, |
Liberal_Stalwart71 |
Jun-17-08 01:51 PM |
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Jun-16-08 10:27 PM |
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I hope those seniors like the taste of cat food. Because if McCain wins, they'll be eating it. |
JVS |
Jun-17-08 05:35 AM |
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oh my! |
faithfulcitizen |
Jun-17-08 08:51 AM |
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More than just seniors |
CatnHat |
Jun-17-08 08:49 AM |
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Any senior who votes for McCain or stays home in November, |
DailyGrind51 |
Jun-17-08 09:19 AM |
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Just bet you have. |
blonndee |
Jun-18-08 10:03 PM |
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just so you know, not everyone who doesn't like obama is/was a republican. nt |
VotesForWomen |
Jun-16-08 10:20 PM |
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I Live In One Of The Reddest Counties In PA... |
JimGinPA |
Jun-16-08 10:25 PM |
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Jun-16-08 10:33 PM |
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They might as well be. |
FrenchieCat |
Jun-16-08 10:27 PM |
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They're not all "irrational hatred," either. |
dbaker41 |
Jun-17-08 12:59 PM |
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Stay home = Vote for McSame = Vote for Dumbya = Irrational n/t |
Liberal_Stalwart71 |
Jun-17-08 01:55 PM |
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Then you need to make sure they understand that. |
dbaker41 |
Jun-17-08 04:06 PM |
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I don't look my nose down on anyone. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand |
Liberal_Stalwart71 |
Jun-17-08 09:19 PM |
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"If they don't know that then they deserve what they get ..." |
dbaker41 |
Jun-18-08 10:14 AM |
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ETA: If they dislike Obama so much that they simply cannot stomach voting for him, |
Liberal_Stalwart71 |
Jun-17-08 09:22 PM |
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And just so you know, people who hope for the repubs to win aren't democrats, either. nt |
ThruTheLookingGlass |
Jun-16-08 11:05 PM |
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They might as well be. |
Shakespeare |
Jun-17-08 01:22 AM |
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They're not all "spiteful." |
dbaker41 |
Jun-17-08 12:56 PM |
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One can have doubts and still be able to pull the lever for one's ultimate best interests. |
Shakespeare |
Jun-17-08 01:04 PM |
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It's still early in the GE campaign. |
dbaker41 |
Jun-17-08 01:27 PM |
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Absolutely. |
Shakespeare |
Jun-17-08 01:44 PM |
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Condolences on your tombstone. |
blonndee |
Jun-18-08 10:03 PM |
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That's Strange... |
JimGinPA |
Jun-18-08 10:13 PM |
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I don't understand "those" warrants either. I don't need to. Logic is on our side. |
countmyvote4real |
Jun-16-08 11:05 PM |
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I empathize with that woman. |
Beacool |
Jun-16-08 11:41 PM |
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He Has More Elected Experience Than The Person Who's Pictured In Your Avatar Though... |
JimGinPA |
Jun-16-08 11:53 PM |
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Oh yeah, he was a state senator. |
Beacool |
Jun-17-08 12:37 AM |
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As Opposed To Wife? |
JimGinPA |
Jun-17-08 12:40 AM |
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I wouldn't bother, Jim. |
monomach |
Jun-17-08 12:56 AM |
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That quote is not mine. n/t |
Beacool |
Jun-17-08 01:17 AM |
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She's been in the US senate 4 years more than Obama. |
Beacool |
Jun-17-08 01:21 AM |
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He's been in elected office for 4 more years than Hillary |
JVS |
Jun-17-08 05:49 AM |
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I disagree. |
Beacool |
Jun-17-08 08:56 AM |
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WTF is wrong with you. Even though it's over you spread RW bullshit. |
JenniferZ |
Jun-17-08 01:33 PM |
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Excellent question. |
JVS |
Jun-17-08 04:09 PM |
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As opposed to the rigors of being First Lady. |
Starbucks Anarchist |
Jun-17-08 08:45 AM |
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Yeah, like "First Lady" is a great presidential resume, huh? |
Oregonian |
Jun-17-08 12:48 PM |
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Hubris? How? Or are you just bashing the nominee? |
JVS |
Jun-17-08 05:43 AM |
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Abe Lincoln had a nearly identical resume |
uberllama42 |
Jun-17-08 01:13 PM |
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Neither does sweet Hillary...and First Lady doesn't count. ;) |
Liberal_Stalwart71 |
Jun-17-08 01:59 PM |
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Her apprehiension was well reasoned and shared by many |
styersc |
Jun-17-08 06:10 AM |
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"such an inexperienced and untested candidate" |
Liberal_Stalwart71 |
Jun-17-08 02:18 PM |
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First, explain to her why not voting is almost as bad as voting for McCain |
rox63 |
Jun-17-08 06:17 AM |
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Did this tennis instructor say what made her the most distrustful of Obama? |
genna |
Jun-17-08 06:30 AM |
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As Al Gore pointed out last night, the same things regarding inexperience were said about JFK that |
flpoljunkie |
Jun-17-08 06:46 AM |
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You just can't let it go, can you? |
janesez |
Jun-17-08 07:33 AM |
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Jun-17-08 08:17 AM |
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Well to balence things out |
Tom Rinaldo |
Jun-17-08 08:38 AM |
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self-delete |
Crisco |
Jun-17-08 08:47 AM |
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NCLB is a big deal to me, too. |
LWolf |
Jun-17-08 08:47 AM |
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The teachers are some of her greatest supporters. |
Beacool |
Jun-17-08 09:03 AM |
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Which is interesting |
PatGund |
Jun-17-08 01:00 PM |
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Education is not a monolithic block. |
LWolf |
Jun-17-08 07:59 PM |
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okay, so she is a repub woman who would have switched for Hillary. But she isn't a democrat. |
faithfulcitizen |
Jun-17-08 08:55 AM |
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...but she just isn't sure if she can trust him. |
sudopod |
Jun-17-08 09:07 AM |
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I think it's his epidermal shade. |
faithfulcitizen |
Jun-17-08 12:28 PM |
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Hillary didn't have foreign policy experience /responsibility either |
DeschutesRiver |
Jun-17-08 09:20 AM |
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I'm waiting to see if people start attacking you for making this up... |
zulchzulu |
Jun-17-08 12:36 PM |
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LOL! |
faithfulcitizen |
Jun-17-08 09:57 PM |
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I don't recall a significant group of any other candidate's hardcore supporters acting like this. |
Oregonian |
Jun-17-08 12:50 PM |
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As a woman, I'm utterly horrified by it. |
Shakespeare |
Jun-17-08 01:05 PM |
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I'm a woman and I agree. These idiots are going to not vote or vote FOR the anti-woman candidate |
Oregonian |
Jun-17-08 01:10 PM |
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two things: |
Evergreen Emerald |
Jun-17-08 01:18 PM |
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Just because she was a "valid female contender" |
Oregonian |
Jun-17-08 01:26 PM |
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I never said she was entitled to anything |
Evergreen Emerald |
Jun-17-08 01:30 PM |
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If anyone truly believes the democratic party is no better than the republican party... |
Shakespeare |
Jun-17-08 01:28 PM |
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Since she voted for W in '04... |
ingac70 |
Jun-17-08 01:10 PM |
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Ask her why it is that both Hillary and McSame got it wrong on the war, while |
Liberal_Stalwart71 |
Jun-17-08 01:34 PM |
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One of our friends has come around |
Patiod |
Jun-17-08 01:46 PM |
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Update - Tuesday... |
JimGinPA |
Jun-17-08 04:16 PM |
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Everyone-- |
shimmergal |
Jun-17-08 11:56 PM |
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