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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 12:55 AM
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27. I agree, Dems can only lose by trying to attack him
He served honorably and suffered horribly, as did many other pilots who were shot down and spent years enduring torture in POW camps.

Any Obama supporters who wish to tarnish my party's reputation with those kind of tactics should reconsider.

Focus on the issues. Focus on things he's done wrong while in public office. But don't try to smear his military service, the backlash will be huge.
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  -I do NOT feel as though McCain's military record should be questioned goldcanyonaz  Jun-14-08 12:05 AM   #0 
  - I don't either, BUT...  PermanentRevolution   Jun-14-08 12:08 AM   #1 
  - Exactly. If Military service makes him better in foreign policy,  Labors of Hercules   Jun-15-08 09:32 AM   #103 
  - Exactly! Well said. On another thread "Being in prison does not qualify me for the Warden's job"  1Hippiechick   Jun-15-08 09:45 AM   #106 
  - I agree in as much as I don't care. I'm concerned about the future and what he would do.  kwenu   Jun-14-08 12:08 AM   #2 
  - I agree. The 'experience' he claims from that experience needs to be  babylonsister   Jun-14-08 12:09 AM   #3 
  - Okay Then - Explain How Being Shot Down & Spending 5 Years As A POW Qualifies Someone To Be CIC?  JimGinPA   Jun-14-08 12:10 AM   #4 
  - I'm okay with denying that as a qualification. I'm not okay with attacking him for  Occam Bandage   Jun-14-08 12:13 AM   #6 
     - I absolutely agree.  yardwork   Jun-15-08 01:28 PM   #119 
  - I don't like the stirrings of swiftboating I'm seeing.  Occam Bandage   Jun-14-08 12:11 AM   #5 
  - I agree. John McCain served admirably,  MurrayDelph   Jun-14-08 12:26 AM   #11 
  - I may be the odd man out here, but I don't believe dropping napalm makes you admirable  tblue   Jun-14-08 12:34 AM   #16 
  - They were at war! dear G-d, N/M!!  goldcanyonaz   Jun-14-08 12:37 AM   #18 
  - So all's fair in love and war? That's your standard maybe. Not mine.  tblue   Jun-14-08 12:42 AM   #22 
  - It must be wonderful to have the luxury of that position.  cliffordu   Jun-14-08 12:46 AM   #24 
     - That position is always a luxury when in the comfort of ones home  goldcanyonaz   Jun-14-08 12:49 AM   #26 
     - That's why I think EVERYONE needs to do a year of public service -  cliffordu   Jun-14-08 12:59 AM   #32 
     - It's not such a luxury to have bombs dropped on you.  tblue   Jun-14-08 12:59 AM   #31 
        - So shall we look for this purist line of thinking  JoFerret   Jun-15-08 08:59 PM   #139 
  - They were in an immoral war of conquest 1/2 way 'round the world,  iconicgnom   Jun-14-08 12:58 AM   #29 
  - Nice to see someone REALLY show thier ignorance about VietNam  cliffordu   Jun-14-08 01:02 AM   #33 
  - Nice post. Sarcasm with no substance.  tblue   Jun-14-08 01:04 AM   #36 
  - My tour in Viet Nam had substance, your opinion about that war,  cliffordu   Jun-14-08 01:07 AM   #40 
     - How do you know I wasn't in Nam? Huh?  tblue   Jun-14-08 01:12 AM   #41 
     - Only people in the movies call it "The Nam"  cliffordu   Jun-14-08 01:14 AM   #43 
        - Everyone just said "Nam"  iconicgnom   Jun-14-08 01:42 AM   #58 
     - And that's McCain's argument too.  iconicgnom   Jun-14-08 01:35 AM   #55 
        - I have nothing to do with McCain's argument.  cliffordu   Jun-14-08 02:03 AM   #62 
           - Oh jeez. You clown.  iconicgnom   Jun-14-08 02:13 AM   #64 
           - Clown? Why, thank you.  cliffordu   Jun-14-08 02:23 AM   #67 
           - Yup.  TahitiNut   Jun-15-08 03:36 PM   #128 
              - Yo!  cliffordu   Jun-15-08 03:53 PM   #130 
  - I lived thru' those days - my late teens and early twenties.  iconicgnom   Jun-14-08 01:24 AM   #48 
  - You will never hear me say Viet Nam was a heroic war. It was the  cliffordu   Jun-14-08 01:41 AM   #57 
     - Thank you, from one who rarely agrees with you!  JohnnyLib2   Jun-15-08 09:29 AM   #101 
     - You're welcome and thanks for the support.  cliffordu   Jun-15-08 02:19 PM   #121 
     - "In my family, in my town, in my life, men served when called. Ya just didn't question it."  1Hippiechick   Jun-15-08 10:00 AM   #112 
        - Yep, you're right.  cliffordu   Jun-15-08 02:40 PM   #123 
  - Ignorance?  ekwhite   Jun-15-08 09:28 AM   #100 
  - Hmm  cliffordu   Jun-15-08 02:30 PM   #122 
     - Criticizing a war, and war crimes is NOT the same as "blaming vets"  iconicgnom   Jun-15-08 03:12 PM   #125 
     - I am primarily speaking of the ones blaming us now.  cliffordu   Jun-15-08 03:26 PM   #127 
        - Yah, I did. It was a fitting response to your repetition that these issues are somehow  iconicgnom   Jun-15-08 03:46 PM   #129 
     - Probably not  ekwhite   Jun-15-08 08:21 PM   #134 
  - Thank you for your service  cabbage08   Jun-15-08 06:23 PM   #131 
     - You're welcome and thanks for the support.  cliffordu   Jun-15-08 07:52 PM   #132 
  - Thank you  tblue   Jun-14-08 01:03 AM   #34 
  - It wasn't a war of conquest  ekwhite   Jun-15-08 09:31 AM   #102 
     - Sure it was, we tired to "Americanize" Vietnam just like we did in Germany and Japan.  Major Hogwash   Jun-15-08 01:50 PM   #120 
     - Vietnam was another tragedy of errors, just like Iraq  ekwhite   Jun-15-08 08:29 PM   #136 
        - The domino theory was the basis for the war of conquest in Vietnam.  Major Hogwash   Jun-16-08 10:45 AM   #142 
     - I used to work with the homeless as a kind of atonement....  cliffordu   Jun-15-08 02:46 PM   #124 
        - She most certainly wasn't  ekwhite   Jun-15-08 08:24 PM   #135 
  - No we were not at war.  Warren Stupidity   Jun-14-08 08:29 AM   #74 
  - In utter agreement...nt  OwnedByFerrets   Jun-14-08 06:26 PM   #87 
  - Nothing admirable but  JoFerret   Jun-15-08 08:57 AM   #94 
  - That's the point  ekwhite   Jun-15-08 09:22 AM   #99 
  - Not according to many who knew him.  WA98070   Jun-14-08 01:22 AM   #45 
  - I don't know, and I don't care, if he served admirably. There is no profit for us ...  PoliticalAmazon   Jun-16-08 10:59 AM   #146 
  - Too bad he debases his own record by running almost exclusively on  iconicgnom   Jun-14-08 12:40 AM   #20 
  - That's pretty bad  OzarkDem   Jun-14-08 12:58 AM   #28 
     - Apparently someone what wants revenge  ekwhite   Jun-15-08 09:38 AM   #105 
  - There's so much other stuff....  Forkboy   Jun-14-08 12:16 AM   #7 
  - I'm Prepared to Question Everything About McCain  mckara   Jun-14-08 12:19 AM   #8 
  - Me, too.  tblue   Jun-14-08 01:05 AM   #38 
  - why?  Clovis Sangrail   Jun-14-08 12:21 AM   #9 
  - Are you aware of the USS Forrestal disaster and McCain's role in it? nt  thecatburgler   Jun-14-08 12:24 AM   #10 
  - Never heard of it. Do tell.........  tblue   Jun-14-08 12:26 AM   #12 
  - Exactly. Like everything else in his life, McCain's military record is a fairy tale  jgraz   Jun-14-08 12:30 AM   #13 
  - Then Kerrys was as well  goldcanyonaz   Jun-14-08 12:32 AM   #14 
     - That's some stellar logic right there  jgraz   Jun-14-08 12:32 AM   #15 
     - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Jun-14-08 12:40 AM   #21 
     - What?  ekwhite   Jun-15-08 09:47 AM   #109 
  - Which version? There are several.  tularetom   Jun-14-08 12:35 AM   #17 
  - Funny how he was transferred IMMEDIATELY after it happened.  thecatburgler   Jun-14-08 12:46 AM   #25 
  - He wasn't that badly injured and they needed pilots  RamboLiberal   Jun-14-08 01:06 AM   #39 
  - Interesting  ekwhite   Jun-15-08 09:54 AM   #111 
  - Get real - McCain had nothing to do with the Forrestal Fire  RamboLiberal   Jun-14-08 01:03 AM   #35 
     - Do you have a photo of the planes BEFORE the incident?  thecatburgler   Jun-14-08 01:12 AM   #42 
     - Watch this video which shows the postions  RamboLiberal   Jun-14-08 01:37 AM   #56 
     - I can't see a damn thing from that. The explosion occurs one second after the footage begins.  thecatburgler   Jun-14-08 01:55 AM   #60 
        - You are probably right about that last paragraph.  OwnedByFerrets   Jun-14-08 06:30 PM   #88 
     - Why don't you write the sailors who were there?  RamboLiberal   Jun-14-08 01:53 AM   #59 
        - Why don't you stick to one response? I know you love McCain, but damn!  thecatburgler   Jun-14-08 02:00 AM   #61 
           - I don't give a damn about McCain  RamboLiberal   Jun-14-08 02:09 AM   #63 
     - You would think the anti McCain folk  JoFerret   Jun-15-08 09:03 PM   #140 
  - There's a group of Vets that are already planning on doing it. .... n/t  kevinmc   Jun-14-08 12:38 AM   #19 
  - I agree. He gives us everything we need on a daily basis.  cliffordu   Jun-14-08 12:44 AM   #23 
  - I agree, Dems can only lose by trying to attack him  OzarkDem   Jun-14-08 12:55 AM   #27 
  - if he uses it against obama, its open to attack. fuck mccain.  goletian   Jun-14-08 12:59 AM   #30 
  - I disagree with you there.  Fox Mulder   Jun-14-08 01:04 AM   #37 
  - He did not! He served himself and his family history. You have to work at finishing near the .....  WA98070   Jun-14-08 01:21 AM   #44 
  - I don't either  Raine   Jun-14-08 01:23 AM   #46 
  - You have no idea whether he served honorably or not  tkmorris   Jun-14-08 01:24 AM   #47 
  - Read his own words, or Google him.  WA98070   Jun-14-08 01:27 AM   #51 
  - *I* know a great deal about McCain  tkmorris   Jun-14-08 04:27 AM   #68 
  - Neither did I know about kerry but i stuck up for him till the bitter end  goldcanyonaz   Jun-14-08 01:28 AM   #52 
     - Why would you do that, if you don't know you're correct?  tkmorris   Jun-14-08 04:29 AM   #69 
  - The facts are not an attack when stated in answer to lies. He runs on it so the truth...  WA98070   Jun-14-08 01:25 AM   #49 
  - i let oppo research for the campaign figure out if there is a there, there.  chimpsrsmarter   Jun-14-08 01:26 AM   #50 
  - I do agree that it's up to Obama and his op research team but they shouldn't...  WA98070   Jun-14-08 01:30 AM   #53 
     - You know Obama and his team would not go there  RamboLiberal   Jun-14-08 02:17 AM   #66 
  - Ideally, I think we should refrain from attacking McCain's service  last_texas_dem   Jun-14-08 01:34 AM   #54 
  - I agree - this would be a loser for Obama  RamboLiberal   Jun-14-08 02:14 AM   #65 
  - He served with honor but that does not make him Presidential  insanity   Jun-14-08 05:01 AM   #70 
  - Military service is no more sacred  ashling   Jun-14-08 05:21 AM   #71 
  - Does he use a 3 wood off the tee?  opihimoimoi   Jun-14-08 06:07 AM   #72 
  - No it Shouldn't!!  Butch350   Jun-14-08 06:49 AM   #73 
  - Things we cannot use against McCain  Warren Stupidity   Jun-14-08 08:37 AM   #75 
  - I agree to the extent that I don't think that he should be attacked for it  AZSlacker   Jun-14-08 09:21 AM   #76 
  - He was a terrible student. He crashed three planes.  lojasmo   Jun-14-08 09:50 AM   #77 
  - Are you sure it was pilot error or contractor-based defects in the machine?  Elspeth   Jun-14-08 10:17 AM   #80 
     - I didn't make any conjecture about pilot error.  lojasmo   Jun-14-08 05:44 PM   #84 
        - You said, "He crashed three planes." To the untrained eye, that implies pilor error.  Elspeth   Jun-14-08 11:24 PM   #89 
           - One he crashed in the US on the way to a football game  lojasmo   Jun-15-08 08:06 AM   #91 
  - I suppose some feel the same way about Custer  bridgit   Jun-14-08 09:54 AM   #78 
  - if someone is going to run for president, using their military  Maine-ah   Jun-14-08 09:57 AM   #79 
  - IMHO, he makes his military record a prevailing reason to vote for him  Lerkfish   Jun-14-08 10:49 AM   #81 
  - As the wife of a career military officer, it's fair game. Jesus, people, it's a JOB, not a  wienerdoggie   Jun-14-08 10:57 AM   #82 
  - The problem is the MSM spin: that somehow a military record = foreign policy expertise.  Seabiscuit   Jun-14-08 11:00 AM   #83 
  - It does not take a bad pilot to have a missile rammed up your six  wvbygod   Jun-15-08 09:16 AM   #97 
     - By focusing on my jovial little afterthought, you missed the main point of my post.  Seabiscuit   Jun-15-08 09:37 AM   #104 
        - I agree with you  wvbygod   Jun-15-08 09:45 AM   #107 
  - We should not lie about his military record, or make baseless accusations about it...  Hippo_Tron   Jun-14-08 05:46 PM   #85 
  - Bullshit. If he is using it as a reason why he should be elected, then it's fair game. n/t  Exilednight   Jun-14-08 06:04 PM   #86 
  - That's what the Swift Boaters said, too.  Elrond Hubbard   Jun-15-08 09:00 AM   #96 
     - There's a difference between making up lies, like the swiftboaters, and questioning ........  Exilednight   Jun-15-08 12:36 PM   #117 
        - Also, some of the attacks on John McCain's service have come from the same  Elrond Hubbard   Jun-15-08 01:14 PM   #118 
  - Yes, it is the wisest approach obama has taken and it stops alienating military independents.  barack the house   Jun-15-08 01:52 AM   #90 
  - I like Wes Clark's approach...  Jeff In Milwaukee   Jun-15-08 08:27 AM   #92 
     - I agree. Wes Clark rocks!  1Hippiechick   Jun-15-08 10:13 AM   #113 
  - There's no need, as there is enough other stuff --  Progs Rock   Jun-15-08 08:43 AM   #93 
  - Attacking his military record will only HURT us. I agree with you there.  Elrond Hubbard   Jun-15-08 08:59 AM   #95 
  - Agreed  ekwhite   Jun-15-08 09:18 AM   #98 
  - is it true that his fellow POWs were promoted while in captivity but Mccain returned at the  gulfcoastliberal   Jun-15-08 09:46 AM   #108 
  - How about McCain's involvement with the "Keating Five"...  Imagevision   Jun-15-08 09:50 AM   #110 
  - Don't worry, Obama will not allow disgusting displays attacking McCain's service.  SOS   Jun-15-08 10:18 AM   #114 
  - Attacking McCain's Miliary Service  NeedleCast   Jun-15-08 10:18 AM   #115 
  - Why didn't it lose the 2004 election for the rethugs?  treestar   Jun-15-08 08:40 PM   #138 
     - Technically, Republicans DID lose in 2004  Overseas   Jun-16-08 10:53 AM   #143 
  - John Kerry's military record was questioned and McCain is attacking Obama's lack of service  thewiseguy   Jun-15-08 11:17 AM   #116 
  - The only questions I have about him is is fighting for our country related to...  L0oniX   Jun-15-08 03:20 PM   #126 
  - No, but the hypocrisy of him supporting George Deserter Bush over Kerry should be  TOJ   Jun-15-08 08:06 PM   #133 
  - Why not, when they did it to Kerry?  treestar   Jun-15-08 08:39 PM   #137 
  - I think if you asked anyone in the service  27inCali   Jun-15-08 09:06 PM   #141 
  - Just as it shouldn't be questioned, it should not be turned into some false mantel of experience.  izzybeans   Jun-16-08 10:57 AM   #144 
  - ITA. Regardless of the reality of it, there is no profit in it. n/t  PoliticalAmazon   Jun-16-08 10:58 AM   #145 
  - This thread makes me ill...  Juniperx   Jun-16-08 11:08 AM   #147 
  - He crashed 4 planes plus got shot down once  GoneOffShore   Jun-16-08 11:16 AM   #148 
  - Very telling.  Bornaginhooligan   Jun-16-08 11:57 AM   #149 
  - riiiiight because the republicans were so honorable in 2004 with Kerry  Lord Helmet   Jun-16-08 02:03 PM   #150 

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