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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 12:13 AM
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2. I believe that the reasons for her victories in Ohio and PA versus places like
Indiana, Wisconsin and Texas where she either tied or lost big was not so much race but that in OH and PA she had the benefit of the local machine by two effective old style pols Gov Strickland and Gove Rendell.
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  -The unfortunate reality of Hillary for Vice President grantcart  Jun-11-08 12:09 AM   #0 
  - if it was Hillary versus anyone else, would she have won in Ohio, Pennsylvania, etc?  dwickham   Jun-11-08 12:11 AM   #1 
  - I believe that the reasons for her victories in Ohio and PA versus places like  grantcart   Jun-11-08 12:13 AM   #2 
     - Pennsylvania people are smart enough  brensgrrl   Jun-11-08 12:40 AM   #8 
     - haha Naivete?  Radical Activist   Jun-11-08 01:15 AM   #13 
     - You just described Illinois  philkd   Jun-11-08 01:15 AM   #14 
     - I campaigned hard for Hillary in PA and race never came up.  Beacool   Jun-11-08 01:24 AM   #17 
     - OMG I can't wait for tomorrow.  thecatburgler   Jun-11-08 01:36 AM   #23 
     - Why?  Beacool   Jun-11-08 01:53 AM   #34 
        - Sorry, can't hear you. The dog whistles from your previous post are too loud. nt  thecatburgler   Jun-11-08 02:06 AM   #39 
        - maybe you and the rest of the Obama bullies  paulk   Jun-11-08 08:36 AM   #67 
           - The problem is that they don't want to hear it  Beacool   Jun-11-08 08:43 AM   #69 
              - The question is...  Liberal Gramma   Jun-11-08 10:41 AM   #94 
              - You know, the real issue is people who make judgments  Labors of Hercules   Jun-11-08 10:54 AM   #97 
        - Race is a factor in Western PA. Those people ar very  ej510   Jun-11-08 09:27 AM   #81 
     - And I'm sure you disabused them of the notion that he was  mcctatas   Jun-11-08 01:46 AM   #28 
        - Actually, yes. n/t  Beacool   Jun-11-08 01:51 AM   #33 
           - Yeah right. nt  thecatburgler   Jun-11-08 02:08 AM   #41 
     - delete by me  Gilligan   Jun-11-08 01:31 AM   #20 
     - Yes Penn was the only state that counted  Indenturedebtor   Jun-11-08 02:05 AM   #37 
        - PA. NOT "Penn".  WinkyDink   Jun-11-08 06:04 AM   #54 
        - Heheh I know what the abbreviation is n/t  Indenturedebtor   Jun-11-08 10:13 AM   #86 
        - The majority of the country is a little too much.  Beacool   Jun-11-08 08:46 AM   #70 
           - Yes millions did vote for her, most voted for Obama.  Indenturedebtor   Jun-11-08 10:16 AM   #88 
     - No, in PA, she won in large part due to negative campaigning...  Liberal_Stalwart71   Jun-11-08 06:35 AM   #63 
        - That's not so.  Beacool   Jun-11-08 08:37 AM   #68 
  - Well, the unfortunate reality  dailykoff   Jun-11-08 12:14 AM   #3 
  - Here in DU I didn't expect her to be popular. . .  brensgrrl   Jun-11-08 12:42 AM   #10 
  - Her campaign was a disaster. She basically lost on day one  dailykoff   Jun-11-08 01:34 AM   #21 
  - New Hampshire nt  dmesg   Jun-11-08 06:00 AM   #53 
     - She had more comebacks than Britney Spears  dailykoff   Jun-11-08 10:23 AM   #92 
  - i respect my mom  swampg8r   Jun-11-08 09:04 AM   #76 
  - You are using DU as an example???  Beacool   Jun-11-08 08:50 AM   #71 
     - you are right  swampg8r   Jun-11-08 09:04 AM   #77 
     - She'd won before it started until it started, then she lost and never recovered.  dailykoff   Jun-11-08 10:14 AM   #87 
  - My hatred of her proven lies aside, strategically it's a stupid move.  Zhade   Jun-11-08 12:16 AM   #4 
  - DING DING DING We have a winner!!! Exactly right.  cliffordu   Jun-11-08 12:20 AM   #5 
  - Thank you. That's the first time in a while anyone got it.  Zhade   Jun-11-08 01:07 AM   #12 
  - all examples of the drama that is the Clintons - unfortunate really  grantcart   Jun-11-08 12:26 AM   #6 
  - love them or not, the Clintons are larger than life  WillYourVoteBCounted   Jun-11-08 03:52 AM   #47 
  - Exactly..  sendero   Jun-11-08 06:32 AM   #61 
  - Hillary would be a FOOL to accept the VP  brensgrrl   Jun-11-08 12:38 AM   #7 
  - Out of curiosity... can you elaborate on that, please?  DangerousRhythm   Jun-11-08 12:41 AM   #9 
  - This is the only elaboration necessary for this poster.  Radical Activist   Jun-11-08 01:21 AM   #16 
  - yes...  Gilligan   Jun-11-08 01:35 AM   #22 
  - just a bad case of sour grapes  foo_bar   Jun-11-08 01:43 AM   #26 
  - I agfree!  leftofcool   Jun-11-08 01:05 AM   #11 
  - Hmmm - sounds like you actually want to see Obama fail - set up for a 2012 rematch?  Paint It Black   Jun-11-08 09:00 AM   #75 
  - No thanks. I'd like to win.  Radical Activist   Jun-11-08 01:19 AM   #15 
  - Lost badly???  Beacool   Jun-11-08 01:28 AM   #18 
  - Only third rate dictators claim the popular vote when they're the only name on the ballot.  Radical Activist   Jun-11-08 01:40 AM   #24 
  - No it isn't .  Beacool   Jun-11-08 01:44 AM   #27 
  - And to the rest of us...  mcctatas   Jun-11-08 01:48 AM   #29 
  - His abilities definitely.  Beacool   Jun-11-08 01:51 AM   #32 
     - I think I understand now why Hillary lost.  Radical Activist   Jun-11-08 01:56 AM   #35 
  - No, what' isn't?  Radical Activist   Jun-11-08 01:50 AM   #31 
     - Being a state senator?  Beacool   Jun-11-08 01:57 AM   #36 
        - Obama won the most primaries.  Radical Activist   Jun-11-08 02:07 AM   #40 
           - There's no point discussing anything with you.  Beacool   Jun-11-08 08:56 AM   #73 
              - You haven't responded to a single point I've made.  Radical Activist   Jun-11-08 10:12 AM   #85 
                 - I was noticing that too,  dailykoff   Jun-11-08 10:17 AM   #90 
  - She was NOT  polmaven   Jun-11-08 06:24 AM   #58 
     - Kucinich and Gravel were the only other candidates on the ballot.  Radical Activist   Jun-11-08 10:16 AM   #89 
        - I think the supporters  polmaven   Jun-11-08 10:47 AM   #95 
           - Correcting a mistatements is what I just did.  Radical Activist   Jun-11-08 10:52 AM   #96 
  - Counting MI and discounting 4 caucus states.  thecatburgler   Jun-11-08 01:40 AM   #25 
     - Counting MI and the 4 caucus states she still wins the popular vote.  Beacool   Jun-11-08 01:49 AM   #30 
     - Does the fourth count give the uncommitteds to Obama?  thecatburgler   Jun-11-08 02:05 AM   #38 
     - Um care to post a useable link so we can see what chicanery you used there?  Indenturedebtor   Jun-11-08 02:10 AM   #42 
     - She gave Obama 0%, of course. She has no problem with Stalinist elections. nt  thecatburgler   Jun-11-08 02:29 AM   #45 
     - How many votes did Obama get in Michigan?  MonkeyFunk   Jun-11-08 06:26 AM   #60 
        - here we go again  swampg8r   Jun-11-08 09:13 AM   #79 
     - Go to Real Clear Politics and see it for yourself.  Beacool   Jun-11-08 09:00 AM   #74 
     - i lost the link  swampg8r   Jun-11-08 09:11 AM   #78 
     - Counting only WI, SC, and HI...  dmesg   Jun-11-08 06:04 AM   #55 
     - BTW, Per CNN exit polls, 206000 of MI voters would have chose Obama if he were on the ballot.  thecatburgler   Jun-11-08 02:27 AM   #44 
  - Almost 18,000,000 votes  polmaven   Jun-11-08 06:23 AM   #57 
  - ...  anonymous171   Jun-11-08 01:30 AM   #19 
  - Umm, no  Asgaya Dihi   Jun-11-08 02:13 AM   #43 
  - i write to the campaign daily and say  swampg8r   Jun-11-08 09:15 AM   #80 
  - Definately Secretary of Hillary  symbolman   Jun-11-08 03:14 AM   #46 
  - *snort*  charlie   Jun-11-08 04:08 AM   #49 
  - It's just never going to be a good idea for Obama - he has to look BEYOND the election  CakeGrrl   Jun-11-08 04:02 AM   #48 
  - Hillary would get Obama more votes than anyone else, but McCain still more  Donald Ian Rankin   Jun-11-08 04:24 AM   #50 
  - Don't see it happening  Prophet 451   Jun-11-08 05:13 AM   #51 
  - Your best argument works against her  dansolo   Jun-11-08 05:57 AM   #52 
  - I would humbly suggest to Obama supporters to accept the  JCMach1   Jun-11-08 06:07 AM   #56 
  - As a Hillary supporter who now 100% supports Obama for the GE  musicblind   Jun-11-08 06:25 AM   #59 
  - If that is the case, then we will most assuredly lose this election! n/t  Liberal_Stalwart71   Jun-11-08 06:32 AM   #62 
  - What Camille Paglia has to say...  Liberal_Stalwart71   Jun-11-08 07:12 AM   #64 
  - You're quoting Paglia on DU? Do you even know who she is?  Maddy McCall   Jun-11-08 08:53 AM   #72 
     - Do you claim some kind of ownership on "knowing who Camille Paglia is?"  XtraProudDem   Jun-11-08 09:54 AM   #82 
     - Paglia, Sullivan, Kristol, Novak, fucking Drudge  Lilith Velkor   Jun-11-08 10:10 AM   #84 
  - I strongly suspect this is being polled by Obama surrogates  tpi10d   Jun-11-08 08:07 AM   #65 
  - Um no. She would cause repubs to vote in droves, even dead ones. n/t  greguganus   Jun-11-08 08:10 AM   #66 
  - Ronnie Reagan would emerge from his grave to vote for McCain if Hillary's the VP! n/t  Liberal_Stalwart71   Jun-11-08 09:54 AM   #83 
  - I dont think this argument holds water  paulk   Jun-11-08 10:24 AM   #93 
  - I think it would be smart to choose her  AJH032   Jun-11-08 10:21 AM   #91 
 

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