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Tue Jun-10-08 02:21 PM
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| Thoughts From a Hillary Supporter Who Might Go for McCain |
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We're gonna need to turn this around in a hurry, folks... http://www.slate.com/blogs/blogs/xxfactor/archive/2008/... Just received this e-mail from a friend, a Washington lawyer who is a lifelong Democrat and a generous donor to the party. She supported Hillary in the primary and is undecided about what she'll do in November:
I just read your XX column, and I wanted to share a couple thoughts. Even though Hillary characterized her campaign as a big feminist movement in her exit speech, I'm not sure all her supporters saw it that way. I also think the risk of defection to McCain is very real, and not limited to uneducated, working class types. Just in my office, I know 6-7 women, all lifelong Democrats from VA who are now planning to vote for McCain. They are all highly educated people who follow politics closely, and a couple even worked for Dems on the Hill at one point or another. The decision to defect to McCain has nothing to do with Hillary as a woman or Obama's personality. They like Obama enough as a person, but they think he's an empty suit—rhetoric with little record behind it. Even if they agree more with Obama's positions, it seems risky to put such an inexperienced person in the White House—especially after what happened last time. I think the media misses this. It is not all about feminism.
Having said that, I know there is a bit of truth to the feminist argument. I also know a strong, pro-choice Democrat from Maryland—someone who regularly hosts NARAL dinners—who is defecting to McCain, even though she understands his views on abortion. I doubt if this woman ever even voted for any Republican before in her whole life, and she just contributed to McCain's campaign. Truly amazing! I think Obama will have a real problem in the Electoral College if he does not find a way to reach out to the people who voted against him—for whatever reason. For now, I'm undecided and I'm planning on staying that way for a while. My big issue is the economy and both Obama and McCain are weak in that area, so it probably doesn't matter much.
I answered her that the experience issue doesn't resonate with me, especially as Cheney and Rummy had been around since the last ice age, and where did that get us? Hillary has been in the Senate only four years longer than Obama: big whoop. If you count his time in the Illinois Senate, he's actually had more experience as an elected official. (And while of course her experience as first lady counts for something, would we give Laura Bush full credit for those years—even though, as she belatedly tells us, she, too, had a big policy role all along?) The whole experience question just feels like a stand-in for race, or maybe something else I'm missing. Because when someone says they would slit their wrist before voting for Obama, that is NOT about Clinton having been in the Senate longer.We must have these people back, and yesterday. Simply waiting for McSatan to open his mouth clearly isn't gonna do it. If we don't get them back, well, I'll see you in Iraq in 100 years -- if we don't invade Iran and spark World War III, that is.
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| -Thoughts From a Hillary Supporter Who Might Go for McCain |
KamaAina |
Jun-10-08 02:21 PM |
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I wonder what McCain's rating is from NARAL....talk about sore losers. |
GarbagemanLB |
Jun-10-08 02:25 PM |
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Calling them "sore losers" will not win the elections |
question everything |
Jun-10-08 02:34 PM |
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being held hostage by spiteful assholes is not an option |
frylock |
Jun-10-08 03:04 PM |
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You bet, and calling Obama an empty suit certainly won't elect him. |
Hieronymus |
Jun-10-08 03:58 PM |
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When you work on a campaign - you do whatever it takes if you REALLY want to win. |
kerry-is-my-prez |
Jun-10-08 04:13 PM |
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And that is the point. Sometimes I think that Obama supporters |
question everything |
Jun-10-08 06:11 PM |
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Kissing their ass isn't either. |
thecatburgler |
Jun-10-08 04:58 PM |
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"empty suit" appeared in the OP |
question everything |
Jun-10-08 06:07 PM |
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Sorry the truth hurts |
krawhitham |
Jun-10-08 05:37 PM |
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"lifelong democrat" |
Bornaginhooligan |
Jun-10-08 02:26 PM |
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We're going to lose a few random idiots. It happens every election. |
geek tragedy |
Jun-10-08 02:27 PM |
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Blog entires like that are CONCERN Trolling |
IWantAnyDem |
Jun-10-08 02:27 PM |
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Yes, and we all know how accurate the polling has been in this election cycle. |
yibbehobba |
Jun-10-08 03:02 PM |
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It's just divisive crap |
IWantAnyDem |
Jun-10-08 03:49 PM |
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Yup. |
yibbehobba |
Jun-10-08 03:58 PM |
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These people DO NOT EXIST |
IWantAnyDem |
Jun-10-08 04:01 PM |
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Yes, they do. |
yibbehobba |
Jun-10-08 04:08 PM |
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I sincerely believe EVERY person talking this crap are REPUBLICANS |
IWantAnyDem |
Jun-10-08 04:11 PM |
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Then there's no point in arguing with you because you're completely divorced from reality. n/t |
yibbehobba |
Jun-10-08 04:14 PM |
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I agree with you and I hope to god |
paulk |
Jun-10-08 05:19 PM |
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They do exist, they are not interested in Obama because they are Hillary fans, not voters, they are |
rosebud57 |
Jun-10-08 05:41 PM |
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Fandom = interesting choice of words. |
DangerousRhythm |
Jun-10-08 06:19 PM |
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They are in love with Hillary, I have never felt any fan feelings about anyone, so I really don't |
rosebud57 |
Jun-10-08 07:23 PM |
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Relax. They're coming back just fine. |
sfexpat2000 |
Jun-10-08 02:27 PM |
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"Highly educated" idiots. |
Forkboy |
Jun-10-08 02:27 PM |
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How do you win over stupid people? |
eissa |
Jun-10-08 02:28 PM |
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By not calling them "stupid" for one thing |
question everything |
Jun-10-08 02:33 PM |
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If it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, chances are......... |
eissa |
Jun-10-08 02:35 PM |
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More DLC bullshit spam and spin |
newmajority |
Jun-10-08 02:28 PM |
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How ironic that she'd come up with this |
KamaAina |
Jun-10-08 02:42 PM |
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I don't believe a word of this - it stinks of Republican tactics. |
yardwork |
Jun-10-08 02:29 PM |
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I agree. |
book_worm |
Jun-10-08 02:30 PM |
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Agreed. |
BonnieJW |
Jun-10-08 02:32 PM |
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agree |
papapi |
Jun-10-08 02:41 PM |
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Scare tactics. I'm not rattled. Sorry to deflate your balloon. |
papapi |
Jun-10-08 02:42 PM |
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Obama's VP choice is being carefully considered because of this |
wyldwolf |
Jun-10-08 02:29 PM |
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I hope that Obama is not being distracted or influenced by this crap. |
yardwork |
Jun-10-08 02:30 PM |
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Yep! |
Juniperx |
Jun-10-08 02:37 PM |
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there is something wrong with somebody who is pro-choice and understands what McCain will mean |
book_worm |
Jun-10-08 02:30 PM |
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That's because these people don't exist. It's made up. |
yardwork |
Jun-10-08 02:31 PM |
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I think you may be right |
jsmirman |
Jun-10-08 03:09 PM |
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Give it time |
question everything |
Jun-10-08 02:31 PM |
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I don't like the term "come around" |
LisaM |
Jun-10-08 02:44 PM |
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No more distasteful than not liking him for no reason. |
Starbucks Anarchist |
Jun-10-08 03:06 PM |
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But do people need to provide "evidence" for not loving someone? |
LisaM |
Jun-10-08 03:17 PM |
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You're kidding, right? |
Starbucks Anarchist |
Jun-10-08 03:25 PM |
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I'm not talking about listening to other views at all. |
LisaM |
Jun-10-08 04:05 PM |
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But you already said you didn't have evidence of this aspect of him. |
Starbucks Anarchist |
Jun-10-08 04:27 PM |
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Nope, no evidence. |
LisaM |
Jun-10-08 04:33 PM |
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Any woman who is a Democrat voting for McCain is an utter fool |
zulchzulu |
Jun-10-08 02:31 PM |
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I don't believe that column for a minute. |
TexasObserver |
Jun-10-08 02:33 PM |
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The DNC news conference today would suggest |
cricket08 |
Jun-10-08 02:33 PM |
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And the polls all say otherwise. n/t |
sfexpat2000 |
Jun-10-08 02:46 PM |
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I guess she hates women's rights and loves war. |
helderheid |
Jun-10-08 02:35 PM |
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Don't fall for the Republican bullshit |
Juniperx |
Jun-10-08 02:35 PM |
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We should urge these people to speak with McCain supporters. |
Zenmaster |
Jun-10-08 02:35 PM |
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"They are all highly educated people who follow politics closely..." |
Rob H. |
Jun-10-08 02:38 PM |
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This reeks of BS. McCain's experience is the very reason NOT to vote for him. |
abernste |
Jun-10-08 02:40 PM |
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I call BS, too. |
heraldsqure |
Jun-10-08 02:41 PM |
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This is just another version of "Operation Chaos". When are we gonna |
Tarheel_Dem |
Jun-10-08 02:42 PM |
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I respectfully disagree with you in regard, "We must have these people back" |
still_one |
Jun-10-08 02:42 PM |
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But if enough of them do go over, we're sunk |
KamaAina |
Jun-10-08 02:44 PM |
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First of all I don't believe that will happen, but if it does, then we deserve |
still_one |
Jun-10-08 02:50 PM |
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Fuck them, they're idiots. |
Starbucks Anarchist |
Jun-10-08 02:45 PM |
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If they look at McCain's record on women's issues |
ayeshahaqqiqa |
Jun-10-08 02:46 PM |
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Gosh,if you read it on the internet,it must be true! |
sufrommich |
Jun-10-08 02:47 PM |
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There is truly something wrong with people who take their |
demokatgurrl |
Jun-10-08 02:47 PM |
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Err... |
OilemFirchen |
Jun-10-08 02:51 PM |
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She doesn't really need any |
KamaAina |
Jun-10-08 03:00 PM |
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Amazing how ecstatic a mutual admiration society of Hillary supporters were, |
KCabotDullesMarxIII |
Jun-10-08 03:16 PM |
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If Obama was losing in the polls, I'd be concerned, but his numbers |
Liberal_Stalwart71 |
Jun-10-08 02:51 PM |
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Pardon my French, but fuck her |
sniffa |
Jun-10-08 02:51 PM |
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Screw this shit. |
Alter Ego |
Jun-10-08 02:52 PM |
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Horseshit. |
DefenseLawyer |
Jun-10-08 02:58 PM |
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This may be the funniest post I have read on DU |
jsmirman |
Jun-10-08 03:25 PM |
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I'm with you n/t |
Catherina |
Jun-10-08 03:27 PM |
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lol! |
yardwork |
Jun-10-08 03:50 PM |
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Oh, bullshit. |
bunkerbuster1 |
Jun-10-08 03:00 PM |
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shit shit shit |
GarbagemanLB |
Jun-10-08 03:01 PM |
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As ugly as some noses are, it's always better than the alternative. |
Notorious Bohemian |
Jun-10-08 03:02 PM |
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They can go vote mcsame already. |
smiley_glad_hands |
Jun-10-08 03:03 PM |
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"Hi, Rush: lifelong democrat, first time caller" |
Lerkfish |
Jun-10-08 03:04 PM |
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That really is all that needs to be said. Thank you. nt |
sufrommich |
Jun-10-08 03:07 PM |
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These 'intelligent' women think it's "risky" |
Terran |
Jun-10-08 03:07 PM |
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More BS created by Republicans and the media to create animosity within the Democratic Party |
tandot |
Jun-10-08 03:07 PM |
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"lifelong democrat" voting for McCain = idiot |
truebrit71 |
Jun-10-08 03:08 PM |
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What do these people think of Hillary being called a "b*tch" |
Raine |
Jun-10-08 03:08 PM |
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Not to mention Mrs. McSame being called a |
KamaAina |
Jun-10-08 03:16 PM |
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what idiocy |
RainDog |
Jun-10-08 03:08 PM |
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Time & Energy is better spent registering new voters |
rucky |
Jun-10-08 03:09 PM |
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Sounds a lot like the Security Mom dynamic. |
cottonseed |
Jun-10-08 03:09 PM |
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These people are not Democrats, they're rabid Hillary fans. |
Vinca |
Jun-10-08 03:10 PM |
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They are not "rabid Hillary fans",they are completely |
sufrommich |
Jun-10-08 03:15 PM |
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These people don't exist and if they did, they wouldn't support any Democrat ever. |
yardwork |
Jun-10-08 03:52 PM |
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These women don't give a Crap about the |
zidzi |
Jun-10-08 03:11 PM |
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Yeah we're all terrified.... |
gcomeau |
Jun-10-08 03:16 PM |
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Pure Psyops |
philkd |
Jun-10-08 03:21 PM |
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Fuck her. Just fuck anyone who calls themselves a life long dem |
cali |
Jun-10-08 03:54 PM |
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My neice-in-law who voted for Hillary swears she will now vote for McCain. |
David Zephyr |
Jun-10-08 03:57 PM |
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Send that pro-choice NARAL woman a wire coat hanger |
Terri S |
Jun-10-08 03:59 PM |
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You all are part of the problem & are just as bad by being insulting, dismissive of her supporters. |
kerry-is-my-prez |
Jun-10-08 04:02 PM |
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I'm being dismissive of her supporters? |
KamaAina |
Jun-10-08 04:10 PM |
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Dumb fucks with "hurt feelings" who vote for McCain deserve to be insulted & dismissed - especially |
apocalypsehow |
Jun-10-08 04:14 PM |
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So anybody you deem "stupid" - you don't want their votes.... |
kerry-is-my-prez |
Jun-10-08 05:33 PM |
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they are the concern trolls of life |
Teaser |
Jun-10-08 04:05 PM |
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Do these "women defectors" know all about McCain yet? |
RoadRage |
Jun-10-08 04:06 PM |
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Abortion is no longer a concern to them, apparently. |
TexasObserver |
Jun-10-08 04:08 PM |
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Or the war, because their little Muffy and Brad will go to college, not the Army. |
thecatburgler |
Jun-10-08 04:57 PM |
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Why would any woman |
elfin |
Jun-10-08 04:14 PM |
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The author is also highly upset at the many instances of hippies spitting on returning Vietnam vets |
FredScuttle |
Jun-10-08 04:45 PM |
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Anyone who claims to be a "lifelong democrat" while threatening to vote McCain |
Bright Eyes |
Jun-10-08 04:49 PM |
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Indeed... |
lamp_shade |
Jun-10-08 06:05 PM |
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How about the rest of the Supreme Court decisions we've witnessed that are wrong. |
MarjorieG |
Jun-10-08 04:53 PM |
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Concern trolls always claim to be a "lifelong Democrat". |
Blue-Jay |
Jun-10-08 04:59 PM |
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It's just so CURIOUS that they don't go for Cynthia McKinney.... |
BlooInBloo |
Jun-10-08 05:00 PM |
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Darn good point. |
abernste |
Jun-10-08 06:24 PM |
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This is total bullshit! The msm really wants to keep this fight going, it's ratings for them! |
madmom |
Jun-10-08 05:09 PM |
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More Republican Bullshit. |
BrentTaylor |
Jun-10-08 05:11 PM |
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They are not gettable |
dansolo |
Jun-10-08 05:16 PM |
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when my daughter behaves like this, I give her a talking-to |
renate |
Jun-10-08 05:19 PM |
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The "experience" and "empty suit" code words are simply the excuse that the fan girls are using... |
rosebud57 |
Jun-10-08 05:38 PM |
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Johnny Boy! AKA The "CUnext time" proliferater? |
GalleryGod |
Jun-10-08 05:54 PM |
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Wishy-washies are always around.. so are noseless Drama Queens |
SoCalDem |
Jun-10-08 05:57 PM |
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bullshit |
northzax |
Jun-10-08 06:20 PM |
#121 |