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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-10-08 12:13 AM
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38. His viewpoint and his theology repelled me.

First his view point: He was a cheerleader to Presidents who lived immoral lives and started immoral wars but he compartmentalized his religious views in such a way that he cherry picks his moral concerns. At a time that America faced great moral questions he turned away. In the middle of apartheid and taking children to schools with military escorts he remained quiet when even the most modest support would have had a huge impact. He wasn't tolerant or intolerant he was distant. Later on recordings he made with Nixon revealed anti-semitic comments that he made and I am sure he probably made the same about other groups that were not recorded.

His theology is repelling. The whole casting of the Christian experience as an individual relationship is completely unbibilical. The new testament is a testament of a community being called together not desparate individuals with personal relationships. The book of Acts documents it and the Greek ecclascia is a community being called. You can go back to second Isaiah and the suffering servant and the whole Judeo-Christian biblical understanding is that faith is primary experienced as a community and not as an individual experience. His emphasis of individual personal salvation is the perfect expression of Bonehoffer's "Cheap Grace".

It is also the perfect theology for a consumerist economy where activity is fueled by invidual activity.

It's not that its conservative or liberal that he has stripped it of its essential identity and as you say is constrained by the Bible from which he preaches . . .he doesn't preach from the bible he preaches into the bible projecting his personal views - it is the classic example of "eiso- gesis" and not "exo-gesis" (projecting into and not taking from)

He didn't condemn segregation and he didn't condemn the violence done by segregationist and he didn't integrate his ministry during the fight against segregation.
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  -McCain Campaign Declines to Meet with Billy Graham napi21  Jun-09-08 09:14 AM   #0 
  - He isn't taking anymore chances with these bible thumpers  tularetom   Jun-09-08 09:30 AM   #1 
  - What Graham Said About Jews Was Messed Up  DemocratSinceBirth   Jun-09-08 09:55 AM   #8 
  - That was my first thought as well :-) n/t  Inuca   Jun-09-08 10:29 AM   #21 
  - McCain. What is his coalition?  speedoo   Jun-09-08 09:44 AM   #2 
  - His coalition are the people who won't vote for Obama or who like Bush....  NotThisTime   Jun-09-08 09:54 AM   #7 
  - The pro-Iran war crowd  hokies4ever   Jun-09-08 02:55 PM   #32 
  - I am not a fan of Graham but for McCain to pursue other pastors who are truely fringe  grantcart   Jun-09-08 09:47 AM   #3 
  - I agree - Graham is pretty innocuous as far was TV preachers go.  Independent-Voter   Jun-09-08 09:50 AM   #4 
  - Its not that he is innocuous and his big faults are mostly in what he didn't say not what he did say  grantcart   Jun-09-08 10:20 AM   #16 
     - May I Ask Why Does He Repell You?  DemocratSinceBirth   Jun-09-08 10:27 AM   #20 
     - His viewpoint and his theology repelled me.  grantcart   Jun-10-08 12:13 AM   #38 
     - Excellent analysis  guruoo   Jun-09-08 02:42 PM   #30 
  - Yep  DesertedRose   Jun-09-08 09:52 AM   #5 
  - I agree. This is political suicide by McCain.  speedoo   Jun-09-08 11:08 AM   #28 
  - I agree, I don't like religion, but to NOT go see Graham is freaking stupid, I hope Obama gets  NotThisTime   Jun-09-08 09:53 AM   #6 
  - I Don't Have A Problem With Obama Meeting Billy Graham  DemocratSinceBirth   Jun-09-08 10:03 AM   #10 
  - I think that might happen. Graham has been friendly with every  napi21   Jun-09-08 10:04 AM   #11 
     - Obama Should Meet With Him  DemocratSinceBirth   Jun-09-08 10:08 AM   #13 
        - I agree with you he should meet with him tomorrow before McCain changes his mind  grantcart   Jun-09-08 10:21 AM   #18 
  - It Might Cost Him North Carolina  DemocratSinceBirth   Jun-09-08 10:20 AM   #17 
  - Compared to Hagee, Graham is a fucking saint.  anonymous171   Jun-09-08 11:01 AM   #26 
  - Shoud Obama meet with him and court christian voters?  cbc5g   Jun-09-08 10:00 AM   #9 
  - I think Obama should accept an invitation from Graham if it's offered, but  napi21   Jun-09-08 10:12 AM   #14 
  - Meet him tomorrow before he becomes too ill  grantcart   Jun-09-08 10:22 AM   #19 
  - I don't think he should court them as in pander to them, but I do think since he is a self  NotThisTime   Jun-09-08 10:33 AM   #22 
  - I think if asked he should meet with Graham, he should let Christian's know his ideology, but not  NotThisTime   Jun-09-08 10:35 AM   #24 
  - that is a really dumb decision  slinkerwink   Jun-09-08 10:05 AM   #12 
  - He Will Meet With A Nut Like Hagee But Not A MainStream Protestant Minister  DemocratSinceBirth   Jun-09-08 10:16 AM   #15 
  - I think it would be a mistake for Obama to not meet him now, after McCain showing weakness  cbc5g   Jun-09-08 10:34 AM   #23 
  - good for him. Graham is an anti semite and should be ignored. n/t  Hamlette   Jun-09-08 10:40 AM   #25 
  - Oh that won't sit well with the evangelicals.  Alter Ego   Jun-09-08 11:02 AM   #27 
  - How stupid can you get?!!  PylesMalfunction   Jun-09-08 11:17 AM   #29 
  - Alternate title: McCain chops of hunk of his own base.  BlooInBloo   Jun-09-08 02:46 PM   #31 
  - Maybe McSame Is Going For The Secular Humanist Vote  DemocratSinceBirth   Jun-09-08 02:57 PM   #33 
  - I think it's a good idea for McSame to stay away from Billy Graham  FredScuttle   Jun-09-08 03:27 PM   #34 
  - here is one of the most interesting points in the article:  dana_b   Jun-09-08 06:03 PM   #35 
  - This is what I've been saying all along!!  mamalone   Jun-10-08 03:57 AM   #40 
  - So he'll hug up on Hagee and Parsley, but he won't even meet with Billy Graham?  ms liberty   Jun-09-08 06:07 PM   #36 
  - Jon Stewart repeating Graham's racist rants against Jews should mean something  genna   Jun-09-08 06:16 PM   #37 
  - Thought McShame would want to tap into Graham's Swiss bank accounts.  papapi   Jun-10-08 12:46 AM   #39 
  - Obama can't take any chances with the Jewish voters at least right now..  symbolman   Jun-10-08 04:42 AM   #41 
  - Makes no sense, hard to believe.  A-Schwarzenegger   Jun-10-08 04:55 AM   #42 
  - Crap site  dems_rightnow   Jun-10-08 06:01 AM   #43 

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