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Tue Jun-10-08 12:13 AM
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| 38. His viewpoint and his theology repelled me. |
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First his view point: He was a cheerleader to Presidents who lived immoral lives and started immoral wars but he compartmentalized his religious views in such a way that he cherry picks his moral concerns. At a time that America faced great moral questions he turned away. In the middle of apartheid and taking children to schools with military escorts he remained quiet when even the most modest support would have had a huge impact. He wasn't tolerant or intolerant he was distant. Later on recordings he made with Nixon revealed anti-semitic comments that he made and I am sure he probably made the same about other groups that were not recorded.
His theology is repelling. The whole casting of the Christian experience as an individual relationship is completely unbibilical. The new testament is a testament of a community being called together not desparate individuals with personal relationships. The book of Acts documents it and the Greek ecclascia is a community being called. You can go back to second Isaiah and the suffering servant and the whole Judeo-Christian biblical understanding is that faith is primary experienced as a community and not as an individual experience. His emphasis of individual personal salvation is the perfect expression of Bonehoffer's "Cheap Grace".
It is also the perfect theology for a consumerist economy where activity is fueled by invidual activity.
It's not that its conservative or liberal that he has stripped it of its essential identity and as you say is constrained by the Bible from which he preaches . . .he doesn't preach from the bible he preaches into the bible projecting his personal views - it is the classic example of "eiso- gesis" and not "exo-gesis" (projecting into and not taking from)
He didn't condemn segregation and he didn't condemn the violence done by segregationist and he didn't integrate his ministry during the fight against segregation.
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| -McCain Campaign Declines to Meet with Billy Graham |
napi21 |
Jun-09-08 09:14 AM |
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He isn't taking anymore chances with these bible thumpers |
tularetom |
Jun-09-08 09:30 AM |
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What Graham Said About Jews Was Messed Up |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Jun-09-08 09:55 AM |
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That was my first thought as well :-) n/t |
Inuca |
Jun-09-08 10:29 AM |
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McCain. What is his coalition? |
speedoo |
Jun-09-08 09:44 AM |
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His coalition are the people who won't vote for Obama or who like Bush.... |
NotThisTime |
Jun-09-08 09:54 AM |
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The pro-Iran war crowd |
hokies4ever |
Jun-09-08 02:55 PM |
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I am not a fan of Graham but for McCain to pursue other pastors who are truely fringe |
grantcart |
Jun-09-08 09:47 AM |
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I agree - Graham is pretty innocuous as far was TV preachers go. |
Independent-Voter |
Jun-09-08 09:50 AM |
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Its not that he is innocuous and his big faults are mostly in what he didn't say not what he did say |
grantcart |
Jun-09-08 10:20 AM |
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May I Ask Why Does He Repell You? |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Jun-09-08 10:27 AM |
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His viewpoint and his theology repelled me. |
grantcart |
Jun-10-08 12:13 AM |
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Excellent analysis |
guruoo |
Jun-09-08 02:42 PM |
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Yep |
DesertedRose |
Jun-09-08 09:52 AM |
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I agree. This is political suicide by McCain. |
speedoo |
Jun-09-08 11:08 AM |
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I agree, I don't like religion, but to NOT go see Graham is freaking stupid, I hope Obama gets |
NotThisTime |
Jun-09-08 09:53 AM |
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I Don't Have A Problem With Obama Meeting Billy Graham |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Jun-09-08 10:03 AM |
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I think that might happen. Graham has been friendly with every |
napi21 |
Jun-09-08 10:04 AM |
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Obama Should Meet With Him |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Jun-09-08 10:08 AM |
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I agree with you he should meet with him tomorrow before McCain changes his mind |
grantcart |
Jun-09-08 10:21 AM |
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It Might Cost Him North Carolina |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Jun-09-08 10:20 AM |
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Compared to Hagee, Graham is a fucking saint. |
anonymous171 |
Jun-09-08 11:01 AM |
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Shoud Obama meet with him and court christian voters? |
cbc5g |
Jun-09-08 10:00 AM |
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I think Obama should accept an invitation from Graham if it's offered, but |
napi21 |
Jun-09-08 10:12 AM |
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Meet him tomorrow before he becomes too ill |
grantcart |
Jun-09-08 10:22 AM |
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I don't think he should court them as in pander to them, but I do think since he is a self |
NotThisTime |
Jun-09-08 10:33 AM |
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I think if asked he should meet with Graham, he should let Christian's know his ideology, but not |
NotThisTime |
Jun-09-08 10:35 AM |
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that is a really dumb decision |
slinkerwink |
Jun-09-08 10:05 AM |
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He Will Meet With A Nut Like Hagee But Not A MainStream Protestant Minister |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Jun-09-08 10:16 AM |
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I think it would be a mistake for Obama to not meet him now, after McCain showing weakness |
cbc5g |
Jun-09-08 10:34 AM |
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good for him. Graham is an anti semite and should be ignored. n/t |
Hamlette |
Jun-09-08 10:40 AM |
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Oh that won't sit well with the evangelicals. |
Alter Ego |
Jun-09-08 11:02 AM |
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How stupid can you get?!! |
PylesMalfunction |
Jun-09-08 11:17 AM |
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Alternate title: McCain chops of hunk of his own base. |
BlooInBloo |
Jun-09-08 02:46 PM |
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Maybe McSame Is Going For The Secular Humanist Vote |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Jun-09-08 02:57 PM |
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I think it's a good idea for McSame to stay away from Billy Graham |
FredScuttle |
Jun-09-08 03:27 PM |
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here is one of the most interesting points in the article: |
dana_b |
Jun-09-08 06:03 PM |
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This is what I've been saying all along!! |
mamalone |
Jun-10-08 03:57 AM |
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So he'll hug up on Hagee and Parsley, but he won't even meet with Billy Graham? |
ms liberty |
Jun-09-08 06:07 PM |
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Jon Stewart repeating Graham's racist rants against Jews should mean something |
genna |
Jun-09-08 06:16 PM |
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Thought McShame would want to tap into Graham's Swiss bank accounts. |
papapi |
Jun-10-08 12:46 AM |
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Obama can't take any chances with the Jewish voters at least right now.. |
symbolman |
Jun-10-08 04:42 AM |
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Makes no sense, hard to believe. |
A-Schwarzenegger |
Jun-10-08 04:55 AM |
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Crap site |
dems_rightnow |
Jun-10-08 06:01 AM |
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