MethuenProgressive
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Sun Jun-08-08 01:14 AM
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| 53. Obama's successful Swiftboating of the Clintons on race. |
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For which, when called on it, he admitted and apologized for: http://journals.democraticunderground.com/MethuenProgre... What can be worse for a candidate than being falsely labeled as a racist?
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 The Clinton Campaign: What Went Wrong? |
Prophet 451 |
Jun-07-08 07:58 PM |
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I think most of her problem was MARK PENN! If I were her, I'd tell |
napi21 |
Jun-07-08 08:09 PM |
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Good point |
Prophet 451 |
Jun-07-08 08:11 PM |
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It comes back to Hillary, though. She chose her campaign staff... |
PoliticalAmazon |
Jun-09-08 12:10 PM |
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Obama had: |
cloudbase |
Jun-07-08 08:09 PM |
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He was also honest. Something she lacked. |
Zhade |
Jun-07-08 08:41 PM |
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Too much analysis. |
MichiganVote |
Jun-07-08 08:13 PM |
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LOL, no such thing n/t |
Prophet 451 |
Jun-07-08 08:14 PM |
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Not on this board anyway. |
MichiganVote |
Jun-07-08 08:16 PM |
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No, it's not "too much analysis"..it's |
zidzi |
Jun-07-08 08:23 PM |
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IWR, extreme arrogance, mudslinging, Obama |
sampsonblk |
Jun-07-08 10:02 PM |
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The grass roots Democrats were tired of status quo. Obama represents a change from the |
rhett o rick |
Jun-07-08 08:15 PM |
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Yeah, I'm thinking we are |
zidzi |
Jun-07-08 08:25 PM |
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I agree with you--especially from the sexim angle. Would we support Margaret Thatcher |
Peace Patriot |
Jun-07-08 09:43 PM |
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Passionatly agree about lobbyists |
Prophet 451 |
Jun-07-08 09:49 PM |
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Agree. If we don't get the corporate influence out of politics, all else will be wasted. nm |
rhett o rick |
Jun-07-08 11:44 PM |
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I despised Maggie Thatcher's politics but loved her person. If she saw a nutcracker in her image .. |
ShortnFiery |
Jun-09-08 06:49 PM |
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Sen Clinton represented the rich corporate lobbyists. |
marions ghost |
Jun-08-08 04:26 PM |
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IMO, that was the #1 mistake Hillary made: totally missing the wants and needs of the voters... |
PoliticalAmazon |
Jun-09-08 12:19 PM |
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#4 |
Patsy Stone |
Jun-07-08 08:15 PM |
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So who advised her to lie repeatedly about things that were easily proven to be untrue? |
Zhade |
Jun-07-08 08:42 PM |
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Probably Bill |
Raineyb |
Jun-09-08 06:33 PM |
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I suspect you're right |
Prophet 451 |
Jun-07-08 08:43 PM |
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many times it seemed |
abburdlen |
Jun-07-08 08:16 PM |
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I disagree |
Thothmes |
Jun-07-08 10:24 PM |
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I just hope this is the last we've seen of Terry McAuliffe |
ticapnews |
Jun-07-08 08:29 PM |
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Here's hoping n/t |
Prophet 451 |
Jun-07-08 08:35 PM |
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I stayed away from the media coverage of the primaries for |
janx |
Jun-07-08 08:35 PM |
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It was the wrong message, this is not a year to run on experience, especially |
rosebud57 |
Jun-07-08 08:38 PM |
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I love how the media went from, "she's running a great campaign" to |
ryanmuegge |
Jun-07-08 08:39 PM |
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Agreed |
Prophet 451 |
Jun-07-08 08:45 PM |
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I noticed |
Raineyb |
Jun-09-08 06:35 PM |
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Her rank dishonesty - Tuzla, NAFTA, among others. |
Zhade |
Jun-07-08 08:40 PM |
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today showed what is RIGHT with Hillary |
bobbydem |
Jun-07-08 08:42 PM |
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I'd broadly agree with that |
Prophet 451 |
Jun-07-08 08:47 PM |
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I don't think much went wrong, actually |
AJH032 |
Jun-07-08 08:49 PM |
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she has been hated since the early 90's |
Skittles |
Jun-07-08 08:55 PM |
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Her own lies helped destroy her. No propaganda there. |
Zhade |
Jun-07-08 09:06 PM |
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*YAWN* |
Skittles |
Jun-07-08 09:15 PM |
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I know, the truth can be dry and uninteresting when you're so dedicated to denying it. |
Zhade |
Jun-07-08 09:35 PM |
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The Clintons had their detractors in Arkansas, before they came to D.C..... |
PoliticalAmazon |
Jun-09-08 12:30 PM |
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Her biggest problem: Her hybristic behavior. |
Exilednight |
Jun-07-08 09:09 PM |
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UM, what does "hybristic" mean? n/t |
Prophet 451 |
Jun-07-08 09:34 PM |
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Oh boy. Here you go ....... |
Exilednight |
Jun-07-08 09:37 PM |
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Ah, thanks n/t |
Prophet 451 |
Jun-07-08 09:39 PM |
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adjectival form of "hubris" |
dmesg |
Jun-09-08 03:37 PM |
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Really excellent analysis. |
Ice-9 |
Jun-07-08 09:15 PM |
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Thank you n/t |
Prophet 451 |
Jun-07-08 09:33 PM |
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I W R made her ABC for a lot of voters, myself included. nt |
Kahuna |
Jun-07-08 09:50 PM |
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Yeah, it wasn't right she |
zidzi |
Jun-08-08 01:17 AM |
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IWR (AuMF) caused the loss. |
SOS |
Jun-08-08 03:43 PM |
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Not to mention her refusal to apologize for voting to authorize it. nt |
Raineyb |
Jun-09-08 06:40 PM |
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That arrogant tone from the start -- "She'll be the nominee so shut up and get out of the way" |
Oregonian |
Jun-07-08 09:53 PM |
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Negative campaigning and sniper story. Note she went negative just after |
AlinPA |
Jun-07-08 09:55 PM |
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Mark Penn. No doubt. |
slinkerwink |
Jun-07-08 10:04 PM |
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Five things: |
quaker bill |
Jun-07-08 10:20 PM |
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Nothing went "wrong". It was a matter of advantages and Obama had more than Hillary.... |
suston96 |
Jun-07-08 10:21 PM |
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I agree with points 2 and 3, but point 1 needs clarification |
jonestonesusa |
Jun-08-08 01:08 AM |
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Hillary started out with the black vote. It was hers to lose |
sfexpat2000 |
Jun-08-08 01:46 AM |
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I don't have to argue any points. I am stating facts. My last post on GD: P (for now). |
suston96 |
Jun-08-08 03:05 AM |
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Here are some facts. Obama didn't get the black vote until |
sfexpat2000 |
Jun-08-08 01:32 PM |
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Your analsys is partly true, but here's the thing |
Hippo_Tron |
Jun-08-08 03:58 PM |
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She also had a HUGE advantage in that she could lend herself |
beac |
Jun-09-08 03:15 PM |
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I repeat it is the numbers - not the logic - that bear me out....... |
suston96 |
Jun-09-08 12:08 PM |
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Good analysis |
davidpdx |
Jun-07-08 10:35 PM |
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You wouldn't know what is required to be fair |
Vattel |
Jun-07-08 10:54 PM |
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OK, when I talk about HRC's fanatical supporters... |
Prophet 451 |
Jun-08-08 12:03 AM |
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Intelligent reply. (sarcasm) |
Vattel |
Jun-08-08 07:57 AM |
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Hey, you started the flaming n/t |
Prophet 451 |
Jun-08-08 04:46 PM |
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An entire 'hating the clintons' industry is now out of work. what a shame--not. |
Rene |
Jun-07-08 10:58 PM |
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But, your stupid red herrings |
zidzi |
Jun-08-08 01:18 AM |
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Though I suspect Rene will be gone after Weds noon. |
beac |
Jun-09-08 03:32 PM |
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The biggest problem with Clinton's campaign: O B A M A |
RoadRage |
Jun-07-08 11:54 PM |
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It was the Perfect Storm |
zidzi |
Jun-08-08 01:39 AM |
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A very dear friend of mine passed away shortly after 9/11/01. |
Tresalisa |
Jun-08-08 12:48 AM |
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She definitely had presidential aspirations then. |
beac |
Jun-09-08 03:36 PM |
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Obama's successful Swiftboating of the Clintons on race. |
MethuenProgressive |
Jun-08-08 01:14 AM |
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Wait, Methuen Progressive, don't forget to link to the memo... |
jonestonesusa |
Jun-08-08 01:24 AM |
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Russert: 'do you regret pushing this story?' BO: 'not only in hindsight, but going forward.' |
MethuenProgressive |
Jun-08-08 01:28 AM |
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Fair enough... |
jonestonesusa |
Jun-08-08 01:53 AM |
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so he lied? |
Vattel |
Jun-08-08 08:00 AM |
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What Obama said isn't lying, IMO - it's conciliatory. |
jonestonesusa |
Jun-08-08 03:15 PM |
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Being falsely labeled a "sexist"?? |
beac |
Jun-09-08 03:34 PM |
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Here's my take of the Clintons' "Spade Work" type-campaigning dating back to 1989. |
ShortnFiery |
Jun-09-08 06:57 PM |
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Time already has something on "How Obama Did It".. |
zidzi |
Jun-08-08 02:17 AM |
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"But we've got a plan, and we've got to have faith in it." |
MethuenProgressive |
Jun-08-08 04:29 PM |
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Campaign strategy- I would have gladly voted for her up until February 18 |
Truth Hurts A Lot |
Jun-08-08 10:37 AM |
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She ran as a DLC moderate instead of as a Democrat. |
Tierra_y_Libertad |
Jun-08-08 04:03 PM |
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I think they also lacked a consistent message. Every day they were saying something new. nt |
my3boyz |
Jun-08-08 04:05 PM |
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Not initially |
Prophet 451 |
Jun-08-08 05:28 PM |
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Another analysis of the primary campaign - seems sound as well. |
jonestonesusa |
Jun-09-08 03:17 PM |
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Exactly. I couldn't keep up. |
PM7nj |
Jun-09-08 07:01 PM |
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A top-down campaign that went belly-up. |
Starbucks Anarchist |
Jun-09-08 03:33 PM |
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# 3, 4, and 5 were why HRC lost. The media was equally strident to Obama and Racism balanced out |
ShortnFiery |
Jun-09-08 06:39 PM |
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It was her arrogance and her Iraq vote that did it (nm) |
lynyrd_skynyrd |
Jun-09-08 06:52 PM |
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Her strategery. |
AtomicKitten |
Jun-09-08 07:04 PM |
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