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Fri Jun-06-08 12:49 PM
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| -If coercing a divide between Jewish and black voters is ACCEPTABLE to you as a Dem primary tactic |
blm |
Jun-06-08 10:30 AM |
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Dude, the only one stirring up stuff seems to be you. n/t |
Fredda Weinberg |
Jun-06-08 10:31 AM |
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So you are on record that using this tactic is NOT harmful and is acceptable to you - fine. |
blm |
Jun-06-08 10:33 AM |
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Nope - but what is true is that you are one of the few that see Hillary as doing an AA/Jew split |
papau |
Jun-06-08 10:37 AM |
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Not so few. Others here have seen it, too. |
leveymg |
Jun-06-08 10:48 AM |
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BenDavid got banned recently |
Leopolds Ghost |
Jun-06-08 03:31 PM |
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A congressman who supported Clinton and revealed it happened is not credible? |
blm |
Jun-06-08 11:12 AM |
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Just going off a quote from a supporter of Hillary |
hokies4ever |
Jun-06-08 11:18 AM |
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Not so few, I should think. |
papapi |
Jun-06-08 11:53 AM |
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No. You're wrong. There's been a lot of that going around. |
leveymg |
Jun-06-08 10:43 AM |
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well, you've clearly been doing your bit these past months... |
NorthernSpy |
Jun-06-08 11:05 AM |
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Oy the irony! n/t |
Catherina |
Jun-06-08 11:37 AM |
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Wrong. As a Party we need to stand up and declare that bigot-pandering... |
PoliticalAmazon |
Jun-06-08 11:40 AM |
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I wish I could rec a response |
ampad |
Jun-06-08 12:22 PM |
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Move on. Don't forget it, but move on. We're going to see puh-lenty more of it. |
BlooInBloo |
Jun-06-08 10:32 AM |
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Moving on with NO accountability for the deliberate USE of the tactic means it's ALLOWED |
blm |
Jun-06-08 10:37 AM |
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Uh... except that it WASN'T successful.... Obama *won* - remember? |
BlooInBloo |
Jun-06-08 10:38 AM |
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No - should other Dems employ the tactic on local and state races, it's acceptable and expected. |
blm |
Jun-06-08 11:00 AM |
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It doesn't matter that it wasn't successful. The tactic is unacceptabe... |
PoliticalAmazon |
Jun-06-08 12:07 PM |
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Of course it's unacceptable. You know perfectly well that I've been among the loudest voices saying |
BlooInBloo |
Jun-06-08 12:21 PM |
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UNDOING the damage done in a crucial state before November requires truth about |
blm |
Jun-06-08 12:57 PM |
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Understood. The election takes priority, but this issue can't be left to just fester. n/t |
PoliticalAmazon |
Jun-06-08 02:46 PM |
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I hope that you were a little more concerned about sourcing |
HopeLives |
Jun-06-08 10:43 AM |
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A Congressman who supported Clinton saying that the tactic was deliberate |
blm |
Jun-06-08 11:07 AM |
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I read the story, not just the threads. I also read input from |
HopeLives |
Jun-06-08 11:16 AM |
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If Andrews is lying then he should be held accountable. If he's telling the truth then |
blm |
Jun-06-08 11:32 AM |
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Agreed. n/t |
HopeLives |
Jun-06-08 12:43 PM |
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We can't "move on" from the Clintons behavior until the issue is addressed... |
PoliticalAmazon |
Jun-06-08 12:05 PM |
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This hurts some of us more than others |
Truth Hurts A Lot |
Jun-06-08 10:37 AM |
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Try again - there is no targeted group - Obama played the race card -not Hillary |
papau |
Jun-06-08 10:38 AM |
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How so? |
leveymg |
Jun-06-08 10:53 AM |
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So you believe Andrews should be held accountable for lying about this horrendous tactic |
blm |
Jun-06-08 11:14 AM |
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Can you substantiate your slanderous claim? We will be anxiously awaiting your proof. |
BushDespiser12 |
Jun-06-08 11:20 AM |
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Bull. And you on this site had many posts deleted when you played that same game |
Catherina |
Jun-06-08 11:39 AM |
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no it isn't acceptable, but I also will not try to divide the party any more after this campaign |
still_one |
Jun-06-08 10:37 AM |
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some of us, due to knowing mr andrew's character, don't believe what he said |
dsc |
Jun-06-08 10:37 AM |
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Then demand accountability for his lie against the Clintons. Because if it is a lie he should be |
blm |
Jun-06-08 11:16 AM |
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My response to you though not directed toward me would be for you to prove |
AuntPatsy |
Jun-06-08 01:32 PM |
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It's not a rumor, it's a charge made by a congressman involved in the conversation. |
blm |
Jun-06-08 01:50 PM |
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Dont have to, he has proven he is untrustworty, if you choose to spread |
AuntPatsy |
Jun-06-08 02:08 PM |
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Then why would a CONGRESSMAN go on the record publicly with a certain lie? He |
blm |
Jun-06-08 02:12 PM |
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Your kidding right? After all the lies we have been forced to hear given up on record |
AuntPatsy |
Jun-06-08 07:05 PM |
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You feel it's a rumor, though it's said on the record by a congressman in a news story. |
blm |
Jun-06-08 07:19 PM |
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if its the truth than no but i want proof not inuenda's have had enough |
AuntPatsy |
Jun-06-08 07:12 PM |
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#87 |
blm |
Jun-06-08 07:20 PM |
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He lost his primary, for which I am grateful |
dsc |
Jun-06-08 02:07 PM |
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I see no reason to sweep the divisive strategies of the Clintons under the carpet. |
dailykoff |
Jun-06-08 10:37 AM |
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You really beliewve Obama's David smears and lies about Hillary? - amazing |
papau |
Jun-06-08 10:39 AM |
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They've been pulling this shit for five months. |
dailykoff |
Jun-06-08 10:44 AM |
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The Clintons came to power by "triangulating" to the right. This is just more of the same. |
Tierra_y_Libertad |
Jun-06-08 10:40 AM |
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Oh baloney. |
zlt234 |
Jun-06-08 11:08 AM |
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How have they been debunked? I missed that part. n/t |
sfexpat2000 |
Jun-06-08 11:09 AM |
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Show us the debunking. If it is a lie hold the liar accountable for it. |
blm |
Jun-06-08 11:18 AM |
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We have no evidence |
Vicky Polonia |
Jun-06-08 11:17 AM |
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But it's a hell of a circumstantial case |
hokies4ever |
Jun-06-08 11:20 AM |
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Then demand this Congressman be held accountable for his statement because this tactic would be |
blm |
Jun-06-08 11:23 AM |
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It is totally unfair to blame Hillary for this. |
jasmine621 |
Jun-06-08 11:33 AM |
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But, if this charge IS true you absolutely believe the tactic should get a full review |
blm |
Jun-06-08 11:36 AM |
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Oh hush child. You missed the boat by over a mile. n/t |
Catherina |
Jun-06-08 11:57 AM |
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I think Hillary Clinton could literally spit in your face... |
NorthernSpy |
Jun-06-08 12:04 PM |
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Racially divisive politics has no business in the Democratic Party. |
AtomicKitten |
Jun-06-08 11:33 AM |
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The apologists don't realize that this is a moment where THEY show what is ACCEPTABLE to them. |
blm |
Jun-06-08 11:39 AM |
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The Clinton camp was caught with their pants down circulating the "Muslim" emails |
AtomicKitten |
Jun-06-08 12:50 PM |
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Divide an conquer tactics have always worked. This election... |
Liberal_Stalwart71 |
Jun-06-08 11:42 AM |
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Which is exactly the point of my thread. The RESIDUAL DAMAGE from the tactic has to be countered |
blm |
Jun-06-08 11:51 AM |
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Becomes a self-fulling prophecy... |
Liberal_Stalwart71 |
Jun-06-08 01:24 PM |
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IT IS TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE & ONE OF THE MOST SHAMEFUL TACTICS |
Catherina |
Jun-06-08 11:56 AM |
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Exactly - those who want it to go unexamined are acting the 'good german' role that has never |
blm |
Jun-06-08 11:58 AM |
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It's the Roseanne Rosanadana school of politics: just say, "Oh, never mind!" |
Divernan |
Jun-06-08 12:16 PM |
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*psst* It's Emily Litella |
crickets |
Jun-06-08 12:55 PM |
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Sorry, unamed sources does not a divide make |
wvbygod |
Jun-06-08 12:03 PM |
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From a CONGRESSMAN supporter of Clinton. If he's lying he should be confronted. If he's truthful |
blm |
Jun-06-08 12:06 PM |
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right. n/t |
wvbygod |
Jun-06-08 12:08 PM |
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That is accountability. Let's demand it for a change instead of excusing it. It never does any good |
blm |
Jun-06-08 12:11 PM |
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Accountability: life's most important lessons: there are bad consequences to bad acts. |
Divernan |
Jun-06-08 12:23 PM |
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Very compelling smear campaign |
frickaline |
Jun-06-08 12:13 PM |
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If the congressman is lying hold him accountable. If he's being truthful then where do YOU stand |
blm |
Jun-06-08 12:43 PM |
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I find it unreasonable to comment on hypothetical situations |
frickaline |
Jun-06-08 12:48 PM |
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It's not hypothetical once the charge is out there from a congressman who had access to the Clinton |
blm |
Jun-06-08 12:51 PM |
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Last I checked "Innocent until proven guilty" was a Democratic principal |
frickaline |
Jun-06-08 01:00 PM |
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The CONGRESSMAN made the charge. You are slandering him as a liar. He can be held accountable |
blm |
Jun-06-08 01:08 PM |
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So do you believe the 'whitey' tape exists then? |
frickaline |
Jun-06-08 01:14 PM |
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No. But there has never been an on the record charge by an Obama supporter that it exists |
blm |
Jun-06-08 01:17 PM |
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How can you know its a Clinton supporter when you don't know who it is!! |
frickaline |
Jun-06-08 01:22 PM |
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The congressman was a supporter, he reported it happened. |
blm |
Jun-06-08 01:32 PM |
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Yep, it just another lie. It is amazing how far some people will go. This makes me not want |
StevieM |
Jun-06-08 04:46 PM |
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Wrong - #87 has a post from April that validates this current story. |
blm |
Jun-06-08 04:57 PM |
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Many seemed to have no problem with trying to pit Blacks against Whites and Blacks against Hispanics |
Skwmom |
Jun-06-08 12:18 PM |
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Sad and sickening. I'd weep for my country if we didn't have living proof |
Catherina |
Jun-06-08 01:28 PM |
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NO |
JVS |
Jun-06-08 12:49 PM |
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One guy trying to suck-up to Obama spews a HillHate rumor and you fall for it? |
MethuenProgressive |
Jun-06-08 01:29 PM |
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good germans have ignore, good citizens assess and have accountability moments. |
blm |
Jun-06-08 01:47 PM |
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As an Obama supporter: THE RACE IS OVER. Shut the fuck up about Hillary. |
GarbagemanLB |
Jun-06-08 01:37 PM |
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Do you really want to work on COUNTERING the damage done before November? |
blm |
Jun-06-08 01:44 PM |
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I guess I missed the Admin's resignation post that put your cranky ass in charge of things at DU. |
apocalypsehow |
Jun-06-08 04:43 PM |
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Democrats have race-baited plenty of times |
Dhalgren |
Jun-06-08 02:10 PM |
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Given the content of this old post, the recent news does not surprise me in the least |
Emit |
Jun-06-08 02:31 PM |
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May I suggest reposting that post and ADDING the recent report for weight and relevance? |
blm |
Jun-06-08 02:46 PM |
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I'm at work now blm and have many hours to go, so I can't |
Emit |
Jun-06-08 03:05 PM |
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Nope - it's yours buddy. This one can last till you can reconstruct yours. |
blm |
Jun-06-08 03:11 PM |
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I strongly agree with BLM this is an issue that needs to be addressed. |
vaberella |
Jun-06-08 04:13 PM |
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"unscrupulous methodology " = Rovian |
DogPoundPup |
Jun-06-08 04:25 PM |
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Maybe not openly.... but look what they did to Kerry when Dems had no idea what they'd do |
blm |
Jun-06-08 04:33 PM |
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This is not about Hillary in any way shape or form. My statement was to move it away from Hillary. |
vaberella |
Jun-06-08 04:35 PM |
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I believe Emit's reply in #87 gives additional perspective to the intent at the time. |
blm |
Jun-06-08 04:45 PM |
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Thanks BLM. |
vaberella |
Jun-06-08 04:51 PM |
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It's not acceptable. Fortunately, Andrews is lying. We are living in a new McCarthy era (eom) |
StevieM |
Jun-06-08 04:48 PM |
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Don't believe your lying eyes...these are not the droids you're looking for... |
sfam |
Jun-06-08 04:56 PM |
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the contest for Penn is not over....fallout has to be dealt with. Pretending something serious |
blm |
Jun-06-08 05:00 PM |
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It should be easy to move on from a non-existent despicable tactic (eom) |
StevieM |
Jun-06-08 05:01 PM |
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Post #87 shows you are incorrect about your assertion the tactic did not occur. |
blm |
Jun-06-08 05:29 PM |
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Wrong - Reply #87 from Emit has an April post referring to the tactic. |
blm |
Jun-06-08 04:56 PM |
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kick the truth |
democracy1st |
Jun-06-08 05:46 PM |
#108 |
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