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7. no it isn't acceptable, but I also will not try to divide the party any more after this campaign
than has already been done

The Supreme Court, Iraq, healthcare, jobs, economy, and so many other issues are at stake

we know exactly where mccain stands, and that is to continue the bush policies

After we secure the three branches of government, I will be more self-critical


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  -If coercing a divide between Jewish and black voters is ACCEPTABLE to you as a Dem primary tactic blm  Jun-06-08 10:30 AM   #0 
  - Dude, the only one stirring up stuff seems to be you. n/t  Fredda Weinberg   Jun-06-08 10:31 AM   #1 
  - So you are on record that using this tactic is NOT harmful and is acceptable to you - fine.  blm   Jun-06-08 10:33 AM   #3 
  - Nope - but what is true is that you are one of the few that see Hillary as doing an AA/Jew split  papau   Jun-06-08 10:37 AM   #6 
     - Not so few. Others here have seen it, too.  leveymg   Jun-06-08 10:48 AM   #17 
     - BenDavid got banned recently  Leopolds Ghost   Jun-06-08 03:31 PM   #92 
     - A congressman who supported Clinton and revealed it happened is not credible?  blm   Jun-06-08 11:12 AM   #24 
     - Just going off a quote from a supporter of Hillary  hokies4ever   Jun-06-08 11:18 AM   #30 
     - Not so few, I should think.  papapi   Jun-06-08 11:53 AM   #44 
  - No. You're wrong. There's been a lot of that going around.  leveymg   Jun-06-08 10:43 AM   #15 
  - well, you've clearly been doing your bit these past months...  NorthernSpy   Jun-06-08 11:05 AM   #20 
  - Oy the irony! n/t  Catherina   Jun-06-08 11:37 AM   #38 
  - Wrong. As a Party we need to stand up and declare that bigot-pandering...  PoliticalAmazon   Jun-06-08 11:40 AM   #41 
     - I wish I could rec a response  ampad   Jun-06-08 12:22 PM   #59 
  - Move on. Don't forget it, but move on. We're going to see puh-lenty more of it.  BlooInBloo   Jun-06-08 10:32 AM   #2 
  - Moving on with NO accountability for the deliberate USE of the tactic means it's ALLOWED  blm   Jun-06-08 10:37 AM   #5 
  - Uh... except that it WASN'T successful.... Obama *won* - remember?  BlooInBloo   Jun-06-08 10:38 AM   #11 
  - No - should other Dems employ the tactic on local and state races, it's acceptable and expected.  blm   Jun-06-08 11:00 AM   #19 
  - It doesn't matter that it wasn't successful. The tactic is unacceptabe...  PoliticalAmazon   Jun-06-08 12:07 PM   #52 
     - Of course it's unacceptable. You know perfectly well that I've been among the loudest voices saying  BlooInBloo   Jun-06-08 12:21 PM   #58 
        - UNDOING the damage done in a crucial state before November requires truth about  blm   Jun-06-08 12:57 PM   #68 
        - Understood. The election takes priority, but this issue can't be left to just fester. n/t  PoliticalAmazon   Jun-06-08 02:46 PM   #89 
  - I hope that you were a little more concerned about sourcing  HopeLives   Jun-06-08 10:43 AM   #14 
     - A Congressman who supported Clinton saying that the tactic was deliberate  blm   Jun-06-08 11:07 AM   #21 
        - I read the story, not just the threads. I also read input from  HopeLives   Jun-06-08 11:16 AM   #26 
           - If Andrews is lying then he should be held accountable. If he's telling the truth then  blm   Jun-06-08 11:32 AM   #34 
              - Agreed. n/t  HopeLives   Jun-06-08 12:43 PM   #62 
  - We can't "move on" from the Clintons behavior until the issue is addressed...  PoliticalAmazon   Jun-06-08 12:05 PM   #50 
  - This hurts some of us more than others  Truth Hurts A Lot   Jun-06-08 10:37 AM   #4 
  - Try again - there is no targeted group - Obama played the race card -not Hillary  papau   Jun-06-08 10:38 AM   #10 
     - How so?  leveymg   Jun-06-08 10:53 AM   #18 
     - So you believe Andrews should be held accountable for lying about this horrendous tactic  blm   Jun-06-08 11:14 AM   #25 
     - Can you substantiate your slanderous claim? We will be anxiously awaiting your proof.  BushDespiser12   Jun-06-08 11:20 AM   #32 
     - Bull. And you on this site had many posts deleted when you played that same game  Catherina   Jun-06-08 11:39 AM   #39 
  - no it isn't acceptable, but I also will not try to divide the party any more after this campaign  still_one   Jun-06-08 10:37 AM   #7 
  - some of us, due to knowing mr andrew's character, don't believe what he said  dsc   Jun-06-08 10:37 AM   #8 
  - Then demand accountability for his lie against the Clintons. Because if it is a lie he should be  blm   Jun-06-08 11:16 AM   #27 
     - My response to you though not directed toward me would be for you to prove  AuntPatsy   Jun-06-08 01:32 PM   #77 
     - It's not a rumor, it's a charge made by a congressman involved in the conversation.  blm   Jun-06-08 01:50 PM   #82 
        - Dont have to, he has proven he is untrustworty, if you choose to spread  AuntPatsy   Jun-06-08 02:08 PM   #84 
        - Then why would a CONGRESSMAN go on the record publicly with a certain lie? He  blm   Jun-06-08 02:12 PM   #86 
           - Your kidding right? After all the lies we have been forced to hear given up on record  AuntPatsy   Jun-06-08 07:05 PM   #109 
              - You feel it's a rumor, though it's said on the record by a congressman in a news story.  blm   Jun-06-08 07:19 PM   #111 
        - if its the truth than no but i want proof not inuenda's have had enough  AuntPatsy   Jun-06-08 07:12 PM   #110 
           - #87  blm   Jun-06-08 07:20 PM   #112 
     - He lost his primary, for which I am grateful  dsc   Jun-06-08 02:07 PM   #83 
  - I see no reason to sweep the divisive strategies of the Clintons under the carpet.  dailykoff   Jun-06-08 10:37 AM   #9 
  - You really beliewve Obama's David smears and lies about Hillary? - amazing  papau   Jun-06-08 10:39 AM   #12 
     - They've been pulling this shit for five months.  dailykoff   Jun-06-08 10:44 AM   #16 
  - The Clintons came to power by "triangulating" to the right. This is just more of the same.  Tierra_y_Libertad   Jun-06-08 10:40 AM   #13 
  - Oh baloney.  zlt234   Jun-06-08 11:08 AM   #22 
  - How have they been debunked? I missed that part. n/t  sfexpat2000   Jun-06-08 11:09 AM   #23 
  - Show us the debunking. If it is a lie hold the liar accountable for it.  blm   Jun-06-08 11:18 AM   #29 
  - We have no evidence  Vicky Polonia   Jun-06-08 11:17 AM   #28 
  - But it's a hell of a circumstantial case  hokies4ever   Jun-06-08 11:20 AM   #31 
  - Then demand this Congressman be held accountable for his statement because this tactic would be  blm   Jun-06-08 11:23 AM   #33 
  - It is totally unfair to blame Hillary for this.  jasmine621   Jun-06-08 11:33 AM   #35 
  - But, if this charge IS true you absolutely believe the tactic should get a full review  blm   Jun-06-08 11:36 AM   #37 
  - Oh hush child. You missed the boat by over a mile. n/t  Catherina   Jun-06-08 11:57 AM   #46 
  - I think Hillary Clinton could literally spit in your face...  NorthernSpy   Jun-06-08 12:04 PM   #49 
  - Racially divisive politics has no business in the Democratic Party.  AtomicKitten   Jun-06-08 11:33 AM   #36 
  - The apologists don't realize that this is a moment where THEY show what is ACCEPTABLE to them.  blm   Jun-06-08 11:39 AM   #40 
     - The Clinton camp was caught with their pants down circulating the "Muslim" emails  AtomicKitten   Jun-06-08 12:50 PM   #65 
  - Divide an conquer tactics have always worked. This election...  Liberal_Stalwart71   Jun-06-08 11:42 AM   #42 
  - Which is exactly the point of my thread. The RESIDUAL DAMAGE from the tactic has to be countered  blm   Jun-06-08 11:51 AM   #43 
     - Becomes a self-fulling prophecy...  Liberal_Stalwart71   Jun-06-08 01:24 PM   #74 
  - IT IS TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE & ONE OF THE MOST SHAMEFUL TACTICS  Catherina   Jun-06-08 11:56 AM   #45 
  - Exactly - those who want it to go unexamined are acting the 'good german' role that has never  blm   Jun-06-08 11:58 AM   #47 
     - It's the Roseanne Rosanadana school of politics: just say, "Oh, never mind!"  Divernan   Jun-06-08 12:16 PM   #56 
        - *psst* It's Emily Litella  crickets   Jun-06-08 12:55 PM   #67 
  - Sorry, unamed sources does not a divide make  wvbygod   Jun-06-08 12:03 PM   #48 
  - From a CONGRESSMAN supporter of Clinton. If he's lying he should be confronted. If he's truthful  blm   Jun-06-08 12:06 PM   #51 
     - right. n/t  wvbygod   Jun-06-08 12:08 PM   #53 
        - That is accountability. Let's demand it for a change instead of excusing it. It never does any good  blm   Jun-06-08 12:11 PM   #54 
           - Accountability: life's most important lessons: there are bad consequences to bad acts.  Divernan   Jun-06-08 12:23 PM   #60 
  - Very compelling smear campaign  frickaline   Jun-06-08 12:13 PM   #55 
  - If the congressman is lying hold him accountable. If he's being truthful then where do YOU stand  blm   Jun-06-08 12:43 PM   #61 
  - I find it unreasonable to comment on hypothetical situations  frickaline   Jun-06-08 12:48 PM   #63 
     - It's not hypothetical once the charge is out there from a congressman who had access to the Clinton  blm   Jun-06-08 12:51 PM   #66 
        - Last I checked "Innocent until proven guilty" was a Democratic principal  frickaline   Jun-06-08 01:00 PM   #69 
           - The CONGRESSMAN made the charge. You are slandering him as a liar. He can be held accountable  blm   Jun-06-08 01:08 PM   #70 
              - So do you believe the 'whitey' tape exists then?  frickaline   Jun-06-08 01:14 PM   #71 
                 - No. But there has never been an on the record charge by an Obama supporter that it exists  blm   Jun-06-08 01:17 PM   #72 
                    - How can you know its a Clinton supporter when you don't know who it is!!  frickaline   Jun-06-08 01:22 PM   #73 
                       - The congressman was a supporter, he reported it happened.  blm   Jun-06-08 01:32 PM   #78 
  - Yep, it just another lie. It is amazing how far some people will go. This makes me not want  StevieM   Jun-06-08 04:46 PM   #99 
     - Wrong - #87 has a post from April that validates this current story.  blm   Jun-06-08 04:57 PM   #104 
  - Many seemed to have no problem with trying to pit Blacks against Whites and Blacks against Hispanics  Skwmom   Jun-06-08 12:18 PM   #57 
  - Sad and sickening. I'd weep for my country if we didn't have living proof  Catherina   Jun-06-08 01:28 PM   #75 
  - NO  JVS   Jun-06-08 12:49 PM   #64 
  - One guy trying to suck-up to Obama spews a HillHate rumor and you fall for it?  MethuenProgressive   Jun-06-08 01:29 PM   #76 
  - good germans have ignore, good citizens assess and have accountability moments.  blm   Jun-06-08 01:47 PM   #81 
  - As an Obama supporter: THE RACE IS OVER. Shut the fuck up about Hillary.  GarbagemanLB   Jun-06-08 01:37 PM   #79 
  - Do you really want to work on COUNTERING the damage done before November?  blm   Jun-06-08 01:44 PM   #80 
  - I guess I missed the Admin's resignation post that put your cranky ass in charge of things at DU.  apocalypsehow   Jun-06-08 04:43 PM   #97 
  - Democrats have race-baited plenty of times  Dhalgren   Jun-06-08 02:10 PM   #85 
  - Given the content of this old post, the recent news does not surprise me in the least  Emit   Jun-06-08 02:31 PM   #87 
  - May I suggest reposting that post and ADDING the recent report for weight and relevance?  blm   Jun-06-08 02:46 PM   #88 
     - I'm at work now blm and have many hours to go, so I can't  Emit   Jun-06-08 03:05 PM   #90 
        - Nope - it's yours buddy. This one can last till you can reconstruct yours.  blm   Jun-06-08 03:11 PM   #91 
  - I strongly agree with BLM this is an issue that needs to be addressed.  vaberella   Jun-06-08 04:13 PM   #93 
  - "unscrupulous methodology " = Rovian  DogPoundPup   Jun-06-08 04:25 PM   #94 
     - Maybe not openly.... but look what they did to Kerry when Dems had no idea what they'd do  blm   Jun-06-08 04:33 PM   #95 
     - This is not about Hillary in any way shape or form. My statement was to move it away from Hillary.  vaberella   Jun-06-08 04:35 PM   #96 
        - I believe Emit's reply in #87 gives additional perspective to the intent at the time.  blm   Jun-06-08 04:45 PM   #98 
           - Thanks BLM.  vaberella   Jun-06-08 04:51 PM   #101 
  - It's not acceptable. Fortunately, Andrews is lying. We are living in a new McCarthy era (eom)  StevieM   Jun-06-08 04:48 PM   #100 
  - Don't believe your lying eyes...these are not the droids you're looking for...  sfam   Jun-06-08 04:56 PM   #102 
  - the contest for Penn is not over....fallout has to be dealt with. Pretending something serious  blm   Jun-06-08 05:00 PM   #105 
  - It should be easy to move on from a non-existent despicable tactic (eom)  StevieM   Jun-06-08 05:01 PM   #106 
     - Post #87 shows you are incorrect about your assertion the tactic did not occur.  blm   Jun-06-08 05:29 PM   #107 
  - Wrong - Reply #87 from Emit has an April post referring to the tactic.  blm   Jun-06-08 04:56 PM   #103 
  - kick the truth  democracy1st   Jun-06-08 05:46 PM   #108 
 

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