cui bono
(1000+ posts)
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Fri Jun-06-08 07:28 PM
Response to Reply #29 |
| 133. He is the one. He is the one who is spearheading the change that the people want so badly. |
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He is the one who is changing how politics is played.
He is the one who has inspired millions of new voters to participate in their country's future.
He is the one who speaks to us as if we matter and as equals, as if we are the ones who can bring about the change, and we are.
He is the one. It could have been anyone, but they didn't step up to the plate. He did. It doesn't make him our savior, it doesn't make him a cult leader, it doesn't make him any more than a man willing to step up and take responsibility for what is happening in this country.
Paul Simon was interviewed long ago, not long after he made that album with the African music. He told a story about how when he spoke at Howard Univ. several AA students expressed resentment that he was the one who employed African music on his album, and shouldn't it have been an AA person to do that? He replied that he just happened to be the one who did it, no one else did.
I have never heard Obama speak of himself as a savior of the people, in fact, he's pretty much the only candidate that I made me aware of them using the word "we" instead of "I" when they spoke of how to change things. I have also not heard any of his supporters speak of him as a savior.
As to your show biz candidate comment, I don't need to tell you what that sounds like. And if it were true, would he have taken Liberman off to a corner of the Senate floor to have a word with him? Would he reject all that special interest money? Would he get the DNC to reject it on his second day as the nominee? I think not.
I hope you get over your resentment soon. It would me so much more helpful if you fight with us rather than feel the need to post empty criticism about OUR candidate.
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The truth is: Barack Obama is an empty vessel. |
kentuck |
Jun-06-08 11:24 AM |
#0 |

His first two moves was keeping Dean and banning lobbiest money for the DNC |
nomad1776 |
Jun-06-08 11:31 AM |
#1 |
 
yep - Obama knows how to sell a theme - ask S. Powers if the theme is true |
papau |
Jun-06-08 11:43 AM |
#17 |
  
Wah. |
thecatburgler |
Jun-06-08 01:36 PM |
#87 |
  
So you don't like that he got the DNC to not take lobbyist money then? |
cui bono |
Jun-06-08 07:16 PM |
#128 |
   
I don't think that poster would like anything he does... |
mcctatas |
Jun-06-08 07:19 PM |
#131 |
  
Yeah, I'm just trying to draw out something substantial from her/him since |
cui bono |
Jun-06-08 07:45 PM |
#140 |
  
Will you support him? Yes or no. |
speedoo |
Jun-06-08 07:20 PM |
#132 |
  
Powers I like |
JoFerret |
Jun-07-08 09:49 PM |
#178 |
 
Exactly, the moves of a strong leader |
classicfilmfan |
Jun-06-08 12:54 PM |
#63 |

Not one rational person I know has claimed Obama's the "Savior". Using hyperbole to make your point |
cryingshame |
Jun-06-08 11:33 AM |
#2 |
 
Oprah called him "The One" ... sorry, this is a show biz candidate n/t |
Fredda Weinberg |
Jun-06-08 11:51 AM |
#29 |
  
well, he smoked your "royalty candidate" now didn't he? |
dionysus |
Jun-06-08 11:55 AM |
#36 |
   
Zing! |
knixphan |
Jun-06-08 12:16 PM |
#48 |
   
Thankfully most voters look beyond a candidate's last name. |
Radical Activist |
Jun-06-08 01:59 PM |
#101 |
  
Who gives a shit about Oprah? |
gmudem |
Jun-06-08 12:01 PM |
#43 |
   
I find the bitterness over Oprah so amusing |
thecatburgler |
Jun-06-08 01:38 PM |
#88 |
  
Get it out of your system. You only have five more days to hate. |
Raster |
Jun-06-08 07:04 PM |
#126 |
  
Will you support him? Yes or no. |
speedoo |
Jun-06-08 07:19 PM |
#130 |
  
He is the one. He is the one who is spearheading the change that the people want so badly. |
cui bono |
Jun-06-08 07:28 PM |
#133 |
   
hey |
AtomicKitten |
Jun-06-08 11:27 PM |
#148 |
  
hey |
cui bono |
Jun-07-08 06:10 PM |
#173 |
  
he toppled the Clinton machine. stings, don't it? |
Elrond Hubbard |
Jun-07-08 10:12 AM |
#170 |
 
Really? |
lumberjack_jeff |
Jun-06-08 10:48 PM |
#144 |

He is not the Messiah as far as I know. But what is wrong with divine providence? |
genna |
Jun-07-08 10:51 PM |
#179 |

He's shown great judgement throughout this campaign. Would you rather have a strong leader |
breakaleg |
Jun-06-08 11:33 AM |
#3 |

its a good thing. |
iamthebandfanman |
Jun-06-08 11:34 AM |
#4 |
 
Yeah. Most of the other candidates were too full of Washington. |
Orsino |
Jun-06-08 07:38 PM |
#137 |

Obviously you havent read his books. |
bunnies |
Jun-06-08 11:34 AM |
#5 |
 
The Think the OP Meant |
ribofunk |
Jun-06-08 11:37 AM |
#11 |

Thats not the only thing wrong with the OP. |
bunnies |
Jun-06-08 11:47 AM |
#23 |

I don't know how the OP meant the empty vessel |
48percenter |
Jun-06-08 12:29 PM |
#54 |
 
Yes you are wrong. |
kentuck |
Jun-06-08 12:30 PM |
#56 |

then maybe you'd better explain it a little better |
48percenter |
Jun-06-08 01:02 PM |
#72 |

I don't think you tried very hard |
kentuck |
Jun-06-08 01:04 PM |
#73 |

that's because your OP is all surface. And frankly bushco, simple as he |
cali |
Jun-06-08 01:33 PM |
#84 |

How much do I owe you? |
kentuck |
Jun-06-08 01:41 PM |
#89 |

LOL |
lumpy |
Jun-06-08 02:56 PM |
#110 |

Many Politicians Surprise You |
ribofunk |
Jun-06-08 12:29 PM |
#55 |
 
True. |
kentuck |
Jun-06-08 12:31 PM |
#57 |

Where is that quote from? |
Emit |
Jun-06-08 12:46 PM |
#58 |
 
From his book.. |
kentuck |
Jun-06-08 12:49 PM |
#59 |

Let's read it in the entire context -- the way Obama intended |
Emit |
Jun-06-08 01:07 PM |
#75 |

Thanks emit... |
kentuck |
Jun-06-08 01:11 PM |
#76 |

I know you are, kentuck |
Emit |
Jun-06-08 01:58 PM |
#100 |

I must be missing the words Empty and Vessel. |
bunnies |
Jun-06-08 12:56 PM |
#64 |

sweet little soft and furry |
kentuck |
Jun-06-08 12:58 PM |
#69 |

I completely agree. |
Buzz Clik |
Jun-06-08 01:01 PM |
#70 |

Ugh. |
BlooInBloo |
Jun-06-08 11:35 AM |
#6 |

OK... |
mcctatas |
Jun-06-08 11:35 AM |
#7 |
 
it was seemingly true of FDR |
hfojvt |
Jun-06-08 11:50 AM |
#28 |

Thank you... |
mcctatas |
Jun-06-08 11:58 AM |
#40 |

not that bright |
hfojvt |
Jun-06-08 12:01 PM |
#42 |

He is a human being, like any other politician. But he is our only hope at this point. |
PeterU |
Jun-06-08 11:35 AM |
#8 |

Nah, according to the Bible, I think McCain is the "empty vessel": |
paxmusa |
Jun-06-08 11:36 AM |
#9 |

I'm from NYC. I heard of Barack Obama in 2004--I wanted to intern. I heard of McCain last year. |
vaberella |
Jun-06-08 11:37 AM |
#10 |

The "unknown quantity" is become more and more known each day, |
blonndee |
Jun-06-08 11:38 AM |
#12 |

Look at his background - he could have gotten almost any job out of Harvard |
dmordue |
Jun-06-08 11:41 AM |
#13 |

I agree. |
Beacool |
Jun-06-08 11:41 AM |
#14 |
 
Don't be bitter.... |
mcctatas |
Jun-06-08 11:43 AM |
#16 |
  
What the heck is that??? |
Beacool |
Jun-06-08 11:53 AM |
#31 |
 
I think the last thing he will say is "now, what?" |
muryan |
Jun-06-08 11:49 AM |
#25 |
 
I think that is a good analogy |
Annces |
Jun-06-08 12:15 PM |
#47 |
  
Did you pay any attention to how Obama won this Nomination? |
Labors of Hercules |
Jun-06-08 12:57 PM |
#67 |
 
Obama can do no wrong, Obama can do no wrong |
Annces |
Jun-06-08 02:39 PM |
#105 |
  
Did I say that? Did I in any way imply that Obama can do no wrong? |
Labors of Hercules |
Jun-06-08 03:00 PM |
#111 |
  
Hey Debbie Downer, Rachel Dratch called... |
rosebud57 |
Jun-06-08 10:42 PM |
#143 |
 
Did you pay any attention to how Obama won this Nomination? |
Butch350 |
Jun-07-08 08:02 PM |
#175 |
 
I'm curious -- how does that make you feel about Hillary? Losing to an "empty suit"? |
Buzz Clik |
Jun-06-08 01:31 PM |
#83 |

That a sucker is born every day and that people bought his platitudes. |
Beacool |
Jun-06-08 04:31 PM |
#114 |

I am so ashamed that I am so very stupid. |
Buzz Clik |
Jun-06-08 04:34 PM |
#115 |

No need for the sarcasm. |
Beacool |
Jun-06-08 04:58 PM |
#117 |

Okay. One more time without the sarcasm: |
Buzz Clik |
Jun-06-08 05:04 PM |
#118 |
 
"The consistency with which Hillary supporters have leveled that insult..." |
Labors of Hercules |
Jun-06-08 06:05 PM |
#122 |
 
OK, that's fair. |
Beacool |
Jun-06-08 06:42 PM |
#124 |
  
agreed. |
Buzz Clik |
Jun-07-08 10:08 AM |
#168 |
 
Hey! |
Gilligan |
Jun-06-08 06:55 PM |
#125 |
 
Amen. I'm right there with you. n/t |
Hansel |
Jun-06-08 07:18 PM |
#129 |

When you tell someone they are a "sucker" they are allowed to throw sarcasm out there. |
cui bono |
Jun-06-08 07:38 PM |
#136 |

This OP slyly avoids suggesting that Obama is an empty SUIT, but what Obama says & this OP DIFFER |
cloudythescribbler |
Jun-06-08 11:42 AM |
#15 |
 
You misread my comments. |
kentuck |
Jun-06-08 11:47 AM |
#21 |
  
Please post the quote of Obama saying he is an empty vessel. |
bunnies |
Jun-06-08 11:49 AM |
#26 |
   
Here is one quote from The Audacity Of Hope |
kentuck |
Jun-06-08 12:29 PM |
#53 |
  
Perhaps 'tabula rasa" would have been a better term... |
kentuck |
Jun-06-08 12:51 PM |
#60 |
  
I figured that's what ya meant. ^_^ nt |
sudopod |
Jun-06-08 12:56 PM |
#65 |
  
You need to actually read the book. Context matters. nt |
bunnies |
Jun-06-08 12:57 PM |
#66 |
  
Explain what context you think it should be in? |
kentuck |
Jun-06-08 01:02 PM |
#71 |
  
Here are some sites using the same quote as kentuck: |
Buzz Clik |
Jun-06-08 04:49 PM |
#116 |
  
You should have chosen your words more carefully |
hokies4ever |
Jun-06-08 11:53 AM |
#32 |
  
I get what you're saying |
SidneyCarton |
Jun-06-08 11:54 AM |
#34 |
  
That's right -- it wasn't an anti-Obama post at all, but it can confuse w/complexity of reasoning |
cloudythescribbler |
Jun-06-08 12:12 PM |
#46 |
 
Yup. It's a semi-slick anti-Obama post. |
BlooInBloo |
Jun-06-08 11:47 AM |
#22 |

No. You are wrong. |
kentuck |
Jun-06-08 11:48 AM |
#24 |

24. No. You are wrong. |
Butch350 |
Jun-07-08 09:36 PM |
#177 |

My comments were not meant to reflect negatively on Senator Obama... |
kentuck |
Jun-06-08 11:43 AM |
#18 |

I didn't know John McCain was a DU member |
powergirl |
Jun-06-08 11:45 AM |
#19 |

And this empty vessel....BEAT YOUR CANDIDATE... |
DearAbby |
Jun-06-08 11:45 AM |
#20 |
 
How long have you been here? |
kentuck |
Jun-06-08 11:50 AM |
#27 |
  
The pellet with the poison's in the vessel with the pestle |
ResetButton |
Jun-06-08 11:54 AM |
#35 |
  
kentuck, Barack Obama is a decent man |
Skidmore |
Jun-06-08 11:57 AM |
#39 |
  
Your OP |
Gilligan |
Jun-06-08 12:01 PM |
#41 |
 
He didn't win *despite* being a blank slate upon which people can project their own priorities. |
lumberjack_jeff |
Jun-06-08 10:54 PM |
#145 |

Have you watched even a single frickin debate? |
dailykoff |
Jun-06-08 11:52 AM |
#30 |

I think people have their spines out because of the primary warfare... |
gcomeau |
Jun-06-08 11:53 AM |
#33 |

How is it that |
Terran |
Jun-06-08 11:57 AM |
#37 |

I understand what you are saying, and agree. |
DeschutesRiver |
Jun-06-08 11:57 AM |
#38 |
 
I agree... |
kentuck |
Jun-06-08 12:21 PM |
#50 |

I am glad that you introduced the idea early on in this process. |
DeschutesRiver |
Jun-06-08 02:45 PM |
#106 |

I'm willing to give him 4 years. |
iiibbb |
Jun-06-08 12:03 PM |
#44 |

Obama is less unkown than McFlip/Flop because of consistency. |
Buck Rabbit |
Jun-06-08 12:11 PM |
#45 |

WTF are you talking about. Generalizations! ("people"), assumptions ("we"), and obvious (no "savior" |
asSEENonTV |
Jun-06-08 12:20 PM |
#49 |

McCain is a full diaper |
Zenmaster |
Jun-06-08 12:21 PM |
#51 |
 
Well said . |
kentuck |
Jun-06-08 12:26 PM |
#52 |
 
LMAO! |
cui bono |
Jun-06-08 07:43 PM |
#138 |

Deleted message |
Name removed |
Jun-06-08 12:51 PM |
#61 |
 
Did you even read the post? |
kentuck |
Jun-06-08 12:53 PM |
#62 |

I read it. Your little caveats don't get you off the hook. |
Buzz Clik |
Jun-06-08 12:58 PM |
#68 |

Well, if I am kicked off of DU for comments such as this post.... |
kentuck |
Jun-06-08 01:06 PM |
#74 |

No, thank YOU for your support of our nominee-to-be ... |
Buzz Clik |
Jun-06-08 01:23 PM |
#79 |

We know the sort of campaign he has run. |
dsomuah |
Jun-06-08 01:18 PM |
#77 |

I think this was a part of the Obama/Axlerod strategy |
paulk |
Jun-06-08 01:18 PM |
#78 |
 
"They are, as a group, the biggest fucking assholes I have encountered ..." Pay attention. |
Buzz Clik |
Jun-06-08 01:25 PM |
#81 |

you are one of the worst |
paulk |
Jun-06-08 01:33 PM |
#85 |

... and it only took 4.5 years and my confronting you for you to muster the courage to say that. |
Buzz Clik |
Jun-06-08 01:47 PM |
#91 |

And THAT is why DC is so scared of him |
underpants |
Jun-06-08 01:24 PM |
#80 |

If people WOULD rather vote for a empty vessel than a known quantity |
rocknation |
Jun-06-08 01:25 PM |
#82 |
 
That is true... |
kentuck |
Jun-06-08 01:35 PM |
#86 |

Obama is an "empty Vessel" to you, because you didn't bother to |
FrenchieCat |
Jun-06-08 01:42 PM |
#90 |
 
All true Frenchie but.... |
kentuck |
Jun-06-08 01:48 PM |
#92 |

That's a pretty radical departure from your OP. |
Buzz Clik |
Jun-06-08 01:51 PM |
#93 |
 
I don't think it's a radical departure at all?? |
kentuck |
Jun-06-08 01:53 PM |
#95 |
  
kentuck, it's good to see you don't believe that "The truth is: Barack Obama is an empty vessel"... |
Buzz Clik |
Jun-06-08 02:05 PM |
#103 |
 
perhaps blank slate is a better term |
noiretblu |
Jun-06-08 07:31 PM |
#134 |

Don't forget, a lot of people voted for the Shrub |
Indenturedebtor |
Jun-06-08 02:10 PM |
#104 |

As someone who |
Gilligan |
Jun-07-08 12:56 AM |
#158 |

He's MORPHEUS!! |
Cronus Protagonist |
Jun-06-08 01:51 PM |
#94 |

And your unsubstantiated BS does not help |
ut oh |
Jun-06-08 01:53 PM |
#96 |
 
Deleted message |
Name removed |
Jun-06-08 01:55 PM |
#97 |

Gosh,grab some Effexor, wouldja' ! |
GalleryGod |
Jun-06-08 01:55 PM |
#98 |

That meme is getting really old. If you don't know who he is by now then its your own fault. |
Radical Activist |
Jun-06-08 01:57 PM |
#99 |
 
It's a Pro-McCain meme- dressed up in a few nicities towards the end. |
Dr Fate |
Jun-06-08 07:50 PM |
#141 |

At first I didnt know what you meant but zen I heard a bell and did. |
A-Schwarzenegger |
Jun-06-08 02:04 PM |
#102 |

I think I get what you are saying. |
Tatiana |
Jun-06-08 02:52 PM |
#107 |

Dao De Jing 11: |
Occam Bandage |
Jun-06-08 02:52 PM |
#108 |
 
You are dead to me. |
Buzz Clik |
Jun-06-08 02:56 PM |
#109 |
 
great response... |
windbreeze |
Jun-06-08 08:20 PM |
#142 |

For those who want to purchase a "clue", I am offering clues for FREE! |
FrenchieCat |
Jun-06-08 03:03 PM |
#112 |

In Taoism, that's a good thing. |
Reader Rabbit |
Jun-06-08 03:06 PM |
#113 |
 
Excellent ! |
kentuck |
Jun-07-08 12:15 AM |
#149 |

Hillay and McCain may be "known quantities..." |
onetwo |
Jun-06-08 05:20 PM |
#119 |

An empty vessel is the guy getting your cheeseburger at McDonalds...not... |
sfam |
Jun-06-08 05:27 PM |
#120 |

Hope: the greatest evil in Pandora's Box |
blindpig |
Jun-06-08 05:59 PM |
#121 |
 
Yyyup. n/t |
Lilith Velkor |
Jun-06-08 06:12 PM |
#123 |

Just because you don't know what he is doesn't make him an empty vessel. |
cui bono |
Jun-06-08 07:14 PM |
#127 |

kentuck, i understand what you are saying |
noiretblu |
Jun-06-08 07:33 PM |
#135 |
 
I suspect you are right... |
kentuck |
Jun-07-08 12:31 AM |
#152 |

You should tell the McCain supporters to say that. I'm sure you all will agree on many things. |
Dr Fate |
Jun-06-08 07:44 PM |
#139 |

Yep, empty vessel and shallow at that. That hope he's selling is ALL hype. nt |
TheGoldenRule |
Jun-06-08 11:20 PM |
#146 |
 
The second stage is evident. |
bhikkhu |
Jun-07-08 12:27 AM |
#151 |
  
Sorry, I don't buy into lies and bullshit. NO THANKS. |
TheGoldenRule |
Jun-07-08 05:35 PM |
#172 |
 
Obama's legislative record and other documented accomplishments are "lies and bullshit"? |
ima_sinnic |
Jun-07-08 08:23 PM |
#176 |
 
The irony is hard to let pass without mention... |
bhikkhu |
Jun-08-08 12:51 AM |
#181 |
 
how can i miss you |
gabby garcia |
Jun-07-08 12:42 AM |
#156 |
  
Oh, I'll still be here. I will speak the truth & you won't like it because there are more skeletons |
TheGoldenRule |
Jun-07-08 05:34 PM |
#171 |
 
You should tell the McCain supporters to say that. Wait- they already do. n/t |
Dr Fate |
Jun-07-08 06:19 PM |
#174 |

Sounds good to me, people projected their hopes onto Roosevelt as well |
Hippo_Tron |
Jun-06-08 11:27 PM |
#147 |

K&R, for the thought involved. |
bhikkhu |
Jun-07-08 12:21 AM |
#150 |

this is just another repuke talking point |
gabby garcia |
Jun-07-08 12:32 AM |
#153 |
 
Why explain? |
kentuck |
Jun-07-08 12:40 AM |
#155 |

the truth is |
gabby garcia |
Jun-07-08 12:58 AM |
#159 |

There are so many low IQ drones occupying DU anymore... |
kentuck |
Jun-07-08 01:06 AM |
#160 |

go back and read your own posts, perhaps then we can discuss |
gabby garcia |
Jun-07-08 01:12 AM |
#161 |
 
Well, don't read them. Put me on ignore. |
kentuck |
Jun-07-08 01:26 AM |
#162 |

sorry Kentuck |
newspeak |
Jun-08-08 12:09 AM |
#180 |

Hee's a recent DU posting that puts some substance into that so-called "empty vessel" |
pnorman |
Jun-07-08 12:38 AM |
#154 |

In short, John McCain and George W Bush represent a corrupt administration and are pure horseshit... |
Imagevision |
Jun-07-08 12:46 AM |
#157 |

I understand what you are trying to say, but you should have worded it better. |
smiley_glad_hands |
Jun-07-08 01:32 AM |
#163 |
 
Perhaps I should have said...? |
kentuck |
Jun-07-08 01:36 AM |
#164 |

Didn't say you were, and I certainly am not. |
smiley_glad_hands |
Jun-07-08 03:21 AM |
#167 |

"Savior" is an extremely odd word to use about a candidate who-- |
eridani |
Jun-07-08 03:04 AM |
#165 |

Obama himself backs your OP. "I serve as a blank screen..." |
Skip Intro |
Jun-07-08 03:12 AM |
#166 |

I think he will be a good one. |
Elrond Hubbard |
Jun-07-08 10:11 AM |
#169 |

I will be so glad when next wednesday rolls around.... |
OwnedByFerrets |
Jun-08-08 01:18 AM |
#182 |