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116. he may have an "enlightened" ego and by that I do not mean that he possesses
any spiritual powers but simply the ability to perceive his own relationship to experience and is able to transcend the normal way of looking at things to a more objective point of view.

No new age but actually old age Lao Tzu and Confuscious and ultimately Buddha. Yet I share with you an extremely apprehensive concern about this thread and similar ones because understanding 'mindfulness' is not a flaky comic book spiritualism but a very disciplined way of looking at people and information.

Ironically when we start to apply such labels to individuals we tend to lose objectivity and build up adoration that goes to your point of raising expectations unrealistically.

Obama says it clearly - I am imperfect and I make mistakes. Which is both true and reflects the fact that he is able to look at himself very objectively.

I would say that he is 'enlightened' in the same way that Roosevelt was enlightened. He could think clearly at several levels at the same time and also understood the general sweep of history a couple of years before others do.

There are two points that show Obama has an uncommon level of an enlightened perspective:

1) Three years ago he could see a path to the nomination and election despite no one else would have given him a chance - especially given the Clintons hold on power.

2) Once he got into the campaign he exerted tremendous mental discipline to keep the campaign on track.

These qualities give him special leadership qualities, not spiritual ones.
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  -Mark Morford: Is Obama an enlightened being? whereismyparty  Jun-06-08 09:23 AM   #0 
  - I have to admit I'm in awe of him, and I gave up hero worship of politicians decades ago  TexasObserver   Jun-06-08 09:24 AM   #1 
  - It's simply competence and synchronicity  MH1   Jun-07-08 10:51 AM   #133 
  - I'm so glad somebody finally said this out loud ! Thanks for posting !!  K Gardner   Jun-06-08 09:27 AM   #2 
  - Ditto!  genevat   Jun-06-08 10:41 AM   #37 
  - This gets it:  RUMMYisFROSTED   Jun-06-08 09:30 AM   #3 
  - I've been thinking along a similar line...  kentuck   Jun-06-08 09:30 AM   #4 
  - The common denominator is "hope."  GreenEyedLefty   Jun-06-08 09:48 AM   #5 
  - I don't believe in "enlightenment" and "hipper than thou" attention gurus  crankychatter   Jun-06-08 09:52 AM   #6 
  - Amen  ContinentalOp   Jun-06-08 10:37 AM   #32 
  - Perhaps some people responding to this post are unfamiliar with Morford's work. n/t  whereismyparty   Jun-06-08 07:23 PM   #112 
  - I'd be more apt to buy into this after he actually accomplished  The_Casual_Observer   Jun-06-08 09:53 AM   #7 
  - This Wasn't Just Any PRIMARY Election  otohara   Jun-06-08 11:04 AM   #48 
  - Uh, and people still wonder where the "cultist" label comes from?  uberblonde   Jun-06-08 10:03 AM   #8 
  - well, Obama makes NO such claims, that is the difference  itsjustme   Jun-06-08 10:14 AM   #15 
  - Yes, he is very charismatic and talented  EstimatedProphet   Jun-06-08 10:17 AM   #18 
     - what exactly do you think charisma is? It's those who light up a room. Some people  cryingshame   Jun-06-08 10:20 AM   #22 
        - And here all this time I thought charisma was an aspect of personality!  EstimatedProphet   Jun-06-08 10:24 AM   #25 
           - it is, now you've gotten the point. Huzzah! ANYONE can be an "Enlightened Being"  cryingshame   Jun-06-08 10:38 AM   #33 
              - Good! Then quit trying to call it "lightworker"!  EstimatedProphet   Jun-06-08 10:41 AM   #36 
                 - Definition of "lightworker"  MorningGlow   Jun-06-08 10:54 AM   #41 
                 - thanks Morning Glow, I'd like your little signature emoticon  cryingshame   Jun-06-08 10:58 AM   #44 
                    - Thanks!  MorningGlow   Jun-06-08 11:03 AM   #47 
                 - Light = consciousness  stellanoir   Jun-06-08 11:53 AM   #64 
  - Proud Member of The Cults of MLK, RFK, JFK, Jesus Christ  otohara   Jun-06-08 11:09 AM   #49 
  - He warned hopeless burned out hippies to click away, but you read it anyway.  kdpeters   Jun-06-08 12:25 PM   #66 
  - We already have the laying on of hands, and even Apostolic Succession!  QC   Jun-06-08 01:22 PM   #74 
  - I think the "cultist" label came from Hillary supporters.  Kool Kitty   Jun-06-08 02:21 PM   #92 
  - Interesting  ayeshahaqqiqa   Jun-06-08 10:05 AM   #9 
  - Obama exhibits the POSITIVE manifestation of Ego. He really does serve the Common Good  cryingshame   Jun-06-08 10:06 AM   #10 
  - Our culture is undergoing a massive shift, right here and now.  BullGooseLoony   Jun-06-08 10:07 AM   #11 
  - oh god no...  Teaser   Jun-06-08 10:08 AM   #12 
  - There's something to him...  Kristi1696   Jun-06-08 10:09 AM   #13 
  - Oh for God's sake this is ridiculous  EstimatedProphet   Jun-06-08 10:12 AM   #14 
  - I wholeheartedly agree, this is dangerous thinking seriously.  AuntPatsy   Jun-06-08 10:15 AM   #16 
  - Who said he was the second coming of christ? You missed the entire point  cryingshame   Jun-06-08 10:18 AM   #19 
  - No, you missed the entire point  EstimatedProphet   Jun-06-08 10:19 AM   #21 
  - there's nothing supernatural about charisma. There's nothing supernatural about those  cryingshame   Jun-06-08 10:24 AM   #26 
     - That's right. There isn't.  EstimatedProphet   Jun-06-08 10:35 AM   #31 
        - It is due to  votesomemore   Jun-06-08 11:31 AM   #58 
           - Light comes in a variety of frequencies  Bill McBlueState   Jun-06-08 01:32 PM   #82 
              - I know.  votesomemore   Jun-06-08 03:30 PM   #102 
  - I agree. We are all  H2O Man   Jun-07-08 07:08 AM   #119 
  - You Don't Know That  otohara   Jun-06-08 11:23 AM   #55 
  - No, you clearly don't understand what I am saying  EstimatedProphet   Jun-06-08 01:22 PM   #73 
     - It's Only 8 Years  otohara   Jun-06-08 02:52 PM   #96 
     - he may have an "enlightened" ego and by that I do not mean that he possesses  grantcart   Jun-07-08 03:42 AM   #116 
     - No, you don't understand what YOU are saying.  TexasObserver   Jun-07-08 10:41 AM   #130 
        - It is exactly what people are saying  EstimatedProphet   Jun-07-08 11:50 AM   #134 
           - Once again, you're tilting at straw men.  TexasObserver   Jun-07-08 11:55 AM   #135 
  - There's no reason he can't be considered at least as enlightened as the Dalai Lama  TexasObserver   Jun-07-08 10:31 AM   #129 
  - There are few things in this world I hate more than Castenada-style bullshit....  BlooInBloo   Jun-06-08 10:17 AM   #17 
  - How about charisma and talent? Isn't that enough?  EstimatedProphet   Jun-06-08 10:18 AM   #20 
     - In addition to the rest of his laundry-list of good qualities, yup.  BlooInBloo   Jun-06-08 10:21 AM   #23 
  - oh my.....this was too icky for me........ until.............  FredStembottom   Jun-06-08 10:21 AM   #24 
  - Basically, that is the heart of it.  kentuck   Jun-06-08 10:29 AM   #29 
  - An important distinction, Kentuck.  FredStembottom   Jun-06-08 10:50 AM   #38 
  - Bingo. Those who are icked-out need to re-read that part.  Shakespeare   Jun-06-08 11:23 AM   #54 
  - "spiritually advanced people" = "perilously hubristic woowoos"  asthmaticeog   Jun-06-08 10:25 AM   #27 
  - spiritually advanced people = people working for humanity's welfare  cryingshame   Jun-06-08 10:57 AM   #43 
  - seconded.  knixphan   Jun-06-08 10:58 AM   #45 
  - thirded n/t  MorningGlow   Jun-06-08 01:11 PM   #70 
  - Gazing into crystal balls and shuffling tarot cards helps humanity's welfare how?  asthmaticeog   Jun-06-08 11:39 AM   #62 
     - Who said anything about crystal balls or tarot cards?  MorningGlow   Jun-06-08 01:13 PM   #71 
        - I see a gooey new-age bullshit OP. How am I reaching?  asthmaticeog   Jun-06-08 01:24 PM   #75 
           - Well, that's just not nice  MorningGlow   Jun-06-08 02:09 PM   #86 
              - Or, you could climb aboard reality.  asthmaticeog   Jun-06-08 02:18 PM   #90 
                 - Okay, you know what? Not a productive discussion.  MorningGlow   Jun-06-08 03:17 PM   #99 
                    - Fine. Nice chattin'. Enjoy all the pretendin' you can have your cake and eat it too. nt  asthmaticeog   Jun-06-08 04:29 PM   #106 
  - A-motherfucking-MEN.  janesez   Jun-06-08 01:27 PM   #77 
  - can I recommend this post? n/t  blindpig   Jun-06-08 03:17 PM   #98 
  - I don't care what you call it or how you explain it - I like it! nt  tbyg52   Jun-06-08 10:28 AM   #28 
  - It isn't so much whether or not Obama is or is not like this...  info being   Jun-06-08 10:31 AM   #30 
  - Makes sense to me  MorningGlow   Jun-06-08 10:39 AM   #34 
  - I wish I could rec a post MG  classicfilmfan   Jun-06-08 11:39 AM   #61 
     - Thanks so much, CFF!  MorningGlow   Jun-06-08 11:50 AM   #63 
  - I'd be careful about such characterizations  iiibbb   Jun-06-08 10:41 AM   #35 
  - Nobody said "deify"  MorningGlow   Jun-06-08 10:52 AM   #40 
  - Obama is sooo NOT woo woo.  ContinentalOp   Jun-06-08 10:51 AM   #39 
  - I Believe He Is Special - Thanks In Part by His Feminist MOM  otohara   Jun-06-08 10:55 AM   #42 
  - the match is struck!  knixphan   Jun-06-08 10:59 AM   #46 
  - I usually despise new age stuff, but this is an exception!  anonymous171   Jun-06-08 11:10 AM   #50 
  - Enlightened? I don't know if I would call it that. But it does seem he has  harun   Jun-06-08 11:14 AM   #51 
  - Morford did add this caveat:  SalviaBlue   Jun-06-08 11:15 AM   #52 
  - K&R  48percenter   Jun-06-08 11:19 AM   #53 
  - "Lightworker"?? Dude, that's fucking woo-woo up the wazoo.  RandomKoolzip   Jun-06-08 11:25 AM   #56 
  - Sigh. Semantics.  MorningGlow   Jun-06-08 11:34 AM   #60 
     - The whole concept is woo-woo.  RandomKoolzip   Jun-06-08 12:34 PM   #67 
        - Really?  MorningGlow   Jun-06-08 01:08 PM   #69 
        - I'd call it a "compromise."  RandomKoolzip   Jun-06-08 01:26 PM   #76 
        - You hit the nail on the head RandomKoolzip -nt-  ContinentalOp   Jun-06-08 01:29 PM   #80 
        - And that's one of the problems with this country  MorningGlow   Jun-06-08 02:03 PM   #85 
        - No, but I would call that an offensive slap against all non-Christians...  Solon   Jun-06-08 01:27 PM   #78 
           - ...What?  MorningGlow   Jun-06-08 02:11 PM   #87 
              - Its the religious equivalent of using the phrase "How White of you."  Solon   Jun-06-08 02:13 PM   #88 
                 - I hope you understand that I didn't use it that way  MorningGlow   Jun-06-08 02:17 PM   #89 
                    - I think I understand, I disagree about Obama being a "lightbringer" however its defined...  Solon   Jun-06-08 02:46 PM   #95 
                    - your claim...  ContinentalOp   Jun-06-08 07:16 PM   #110 
        - Just because you can't see something  arikara   Jun-06-08 04:00 PM   #105 
           - Just because all facts, science, and empiricism dictate something's non-existence  RandomKoolzip   Jun-06-08 06:00 PM   #107 
           - Just because you believe in something doesn't mean it is there, too  EstimatedProphet   Jun-06-08 06:01 PM   #108 
              - Except when it comes to concepts.  Qutzupalotl   Jun-07-08 01:16 PM   #136 
  - Shows transparent  PATRICK   Jun-06-08 11:26 AM   #57 
  - Yes, he is a 'lightworker'.  undeterred   Jun-06-08 11:31 AM   #59 
  - This is just as terrifying -- maybe more -- as fundies thinking Bush was sent by God.  calmblueocean   Jun-06-08 12:12 PM   #65 
  - The term 'Enlightenment'  RichardRay   Jun-06-08 12:55 PM   #68 
  - Drugs are bad, mmmkay?  LeftyMom   Jun-06-08 01:17 PM   #72 
  - WTF? "Lightworker"? Is he an electrician?  janesez   Jun-06-08 01:28 PM   #79 
  - Obama is clearly a Subgenius  ContinentalOp   Jun-06-08 01:32 PM   #81 
  - But did Obama send in his $30? 'Cuz if not, he's still pink to "Bob."  asthmaticeog   Jun-06-08 01:39 PM   #83 
     - Evidence:  ContinentalOp   Jun-06-08 02:19 PM   #91 
        - I love it.  asthmaticeog   Jun-06-08 02:44 PM   #94 
        - I'm sure it's packed with the kind of shamanistic ethnobotanicals that lightworkers prefer.  ContinentalOp   Jun-06-08 03:44 PM   #104 
        - I have had my epiphany!  Book Lover   Jun-07-08 02:25 AM   #113 
        - Ack!  blogslut   Jun-07-08 03:25 AM   #115 
  - Enlightenment is like a box of chocolates  A-Schwarzenegger   Jun-06-08 01:39 PM   #84 
  - I think that there are people who are  madaboutharry   Jun-06-08 02:29 PM   #93 
  - I think obama  undergroundpanther   Jun-06-08 02:56 PM   #97 
  - It is truly fascinating to read the replies and comments  burythehatchet   Jun-06-08 03:21 PM   #100 
  - Your comment is funny...  ContinentalOp   Jun-06-08 03:41 PM   #103 
     - Of course. We each live in our own realities, after all.  burythehatchet   Jun-06-08 07:01 PM   #109 
  - Leave it to Morford to disturb a few crackpots n/t  dougkeenan   Jun-06-08 03:29 PM   #101 
  - I take it most of those responding to this post are unfamiliar with Morford's work.  whereismyparty   Jun-06-08 07:22 PM   #111 
  - Bookmarking thread for time capsule.  2rth2pwr   Jun-07-08 03:23 AM   #114 
  - Magical  NightOwwl   Jun-07-08 03:51 AM   #117 
  - Obama acts as a catalyst.  Kaleko   Jun-07-08 04:10 AM   #118 
  - This part concerns me...  kentuck   Jun-07-08 09:01 AM   #120 
  - That's Some Creepy Shit. Some People Need To Get A Grip.  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Jun-07-08 09:03 AM   #121 
  - Don't read Morford much, do you?  Shakespeare   Jun-07-08 10:23 AM   #127 
  - Seriously.. you are going to be dissapointed...  BigBluenoser   Jun-07-08 09:39 AM   #122 
  - Obama's not the Messiah, he's not Jesus,  Arkana   Jun-07-08 09:40 AM   #123 
  - Stop it. I'm still trying to accept CFC bulbs.  rug   Jun-07-08 09:42 AM   #124 
  - No  JoFerret   Jun-07-08 09:48 AM   #125 
  - how is this any different from the fundies believing Bush was working for God?  eShirl   Jun-07-08 10:14 AM   #126 
  - He's a good public speaker  OzarkDem   Jun-07-08 10:25 AM   #128 
  - Maybe he was an Indigo Child,  antfarm   Jun-07-08 10:44 AM   #131 
  - Obama is an enlightened being. The rub is in parsing what that means.  TexasObserver   Jun-07-08 10:49 AM   #132 

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