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Wed Jun-04-08 03:00 PM
Response to Reply #51 |
| 65. Right, and your subjective impression is all the clinical data anyone needs... |
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Do you really not get it?
Having a sense of entitlement does not indicate a mental disorder... especially when the subject has worked to achieve that goal. The narcissist has an unfounded sense of entitlement. They believe they should get everything they want just because they're them.
Yes, Clinton does display a sense of entitlement (in my subjective opinion), but she has it because she's worked for it. If Obama had a more prominents sense of entitlement, perhaps he would have earned it as well, but it wouldn't mean he's NPD.
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| -It's not Narcissism. |
Dr_eldritch |
Jun-04-08 12:48 PM |
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Narcissists are often very high achievers with a lot of discipline |
sfexpat2000 |
Jun-04-08 12:50 PM |
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Exactly.. the two things are not mutually exclusive |
SoCalDem |
Jun-04-08 01:27 PM |
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Damn straight. God I love smart people. |
msallied |
Jun-04-08 01:39 PM |
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Did you catch the part where Hillary said , essentially, that's she's |
sfexpat2000 |
Jun-04-08 02:35 PM |
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It is "Messianic". |
bvar22 |
Jun-04-08 06:24 PM |
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I'm sorry, I'm probably dating myself, here... |
impeachdubya |
Jun-04-08 08:16 PM |
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The link is broken. What can't I see? |
sfexpat2000 |
Jun-04-08 10:09 PM |
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Burt from "Soap". nt |
impeachdubya |
Jun-04-08 10:43 PM |
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By your criteria, nearly all politicians exhibit NPD |
Dr_eldritch |
Jun-04-08 02:41 PM |
#50 |
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A shrink friend of ours told us once that people with this type of "disorder" |
SoCalDem |
Jun-04-08 02:54 PM |
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Smarter people compensate better, too. They can go right under |
sfexpat2000 |
Jun-04-08 02:56 PM |
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a) I agree about NPD and the professions |
Jackpine Radical |
Jun-04-08 03:44 PM |
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No, not all politicians exhibit NPD. Speaking of enabling, |
sfexpat2000 |
Jun-04-08 02:55 PM |
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My middle son was diagnosed with it at 15 (even though the shrink said he was a bit young) |
SoCalDem |
Jun-04-08 03:58 PM |
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I knew we had something in common. |
sfexpat2000 |
Jun-04-08 05:33 PM |
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Six of one, half a dozen of the other... |
LanternWaste |
Jun-04-08 02:49 PM |
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Don't call us Frist until we show up on the Senate floor and call for a vote. |
sfexpat2000 |
Jun-04-08 03:01 PM |
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Hiya Pat. Your one of may fav's on DU! |
LanternWaste |
Jun-04-08 03:05 PM |
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Seriously, if you see me calling for a vote, please dial 911! |
sfexpat2000 |
Jun-04-08 03:14 PM |
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Can't admit fault and leave a wake of chaos/destruction |
JNelson6563 |
Jun-04-08 03:46 PM |
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I think you have got this right... |
movonne |
Jun-04-08 12:50 PM |
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I think it is narcissism. She doesn't display any capacity for humiliation or awareness of her acti |
Diane R |
Jun-04-08 12:50 PM |
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Oh, I think it's narcissism. |
dchill |
Jun-04-08 12:51 PM |
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Her behavior is disrespectful and classless. She has no place on the ticket because of her actions |
Windy |
Jun-04-08 12:51 PM |
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Wow. Insightful. So where does the Democratic Party and people like us fit in this grand design? |
kenny blankenship |
Jun-04-08 12:51 PM |
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It's an admittedly fine line... |
Dr_eldritch |
Jun-04-08 01:10 PM |
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What you've described is the very definition of narcissism |
IWantAnyDem |
Jun-04-08 12:52 PM |
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Agreed, and very well-said. |
MrCoffee |
Jun-04-08 12:52 PM |
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It's not like a sporting even where one side gets a trophy, you high five at the end |
LisaM |
Jun-04-08 12:52 PM |
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That's not the point of the post |
Oddman |
Jun-04-08 01:02 PM |
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Well I guess I just disagree |
LisaM |
Jun-04-08 01:10 PM |
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The majority of candidates read the writing |
Oddman |
Jun-04-08 01:22 PM |
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"she's human".... bullshit... I want a DNA test. |
scheming daemons |
Jun-04-08 12:53 PM |
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If she's supposed to be a strong person why do people make excuses for her? |
DJ13 |
Jun-04-08 12:55 PM |
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Ding, ding, ding! DJ13 |
Mimosa |
Jun-04-08 02:35 PM |
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I didn't say she wasn't behaving poorly. I just think it's really silly |
Dr_eldritch |
Jun-04-08 02:43 PM |
#52 |
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For her not to even get that last night was about Barack... |
polichick |
Jun-04-08 12:56 PM |
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If 'Rude'='Narcissist', then we all need meds. |
Dr_eldritch |
Jun-04-08 02:31 PM |
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Bush the lesser and Hillary have some things in common |
rebel with a cause |
Jun-04-08 02:51 PM |
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It's way beyond rude - she shows a lack of empathy... |
polichick |
Jun-04-08 03:08 PM |
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People who *lose* and yet feel "cheated" fucking suck. |
BlooInBloo |
Jun-04-08 12:56 PM |
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depends on the loss |
hfojvt |
Jun-04-08 01:24 PM |
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To check to cheap shots regarding the clinton campaign, all they need is a mirror & youtube |
SoCalDem |
Jun-04-08 01:29 PM |
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She's dealing near-fatal blows to herself imo. Hard to believe she |
babylonsister |
Jun-04-08 12:56 PM |
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THE mark of a narcissist is this: |
Triana |
Jun-04-08 12:58 PM |
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No, that's egocentrism. |
Dr_eldritch |
Jun-04-08 01:50 PM |
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split those hairs all you want. Lack of empathy is the defining one... |
Triana |
Jun-04-08 02:55 PM |
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"She's only human" and "it's narcissism" are mere excuses... |
Lucky 13 |
Jun-04-08 01:02 PM |
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Well, narcissists ARE human and their lack of empathy manifests as poor judgement... |
Triana |
Jun-04-08 01:05 PM |
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I agree and said about the same thing before |
rebel with a cause |
Jun-04-08 02:56 PM |
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She doesn't have a mental disorder. She has a personality disorder. |
msallied |
Jun-04-08 01:08 PM |
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Dear, your entire explanation of her behavior DEFINES narcissism. |
msallied |
Jun-04-08 01:05 PM |
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No. it's closer to Intrinsic egomaniacal frustration. |
Dr_eldritch |
Jun-04-08 01:23 PM |
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Now you're just splitting hairs. lol |
msallied |
Jun-04-08 01:33 PM |
#30 |
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She may have ego issues, but it's not a disorder. It's not NPD. |
Dr_eldritch |
Jun-04-08 01:55 PM |
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No, she has another disorder. I've already said that. I don't agree she has NPD. |
msallied |
Jun-04-08 02:44 PM |
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Definitely NPD.... |
gorekerrydreamticket |
Jun-04-08 01:11 PM |
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No, it's more like APD. I firmly believe they just have |
msallied |
Jun-04-08 01:35 PM |
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She can grow a beard like Al Gore. |
Swamp Rat |
Jun-04-08 01:11 PM |
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haha |
beat tk |
Jun-04-08 01:26 PM |
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Please spare us the excuse. Most big boys and girls know they have to concede at the end. |
genna |
Jun-04-08 01:26 PM |
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Well put. I agree completely... |
msallied |
Jun-04-08 01:37 PM |
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It's "Hard Work." Where have I heard that line before? Hmmm |
Independent-Voter |
Jun-04-08 01:38 PM |
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She's an adult, there's an important election to win, this is self-absorbed and ridiculous. |
heraldsqure |
Jun-04-08 01:49 PM |
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*****Narcissistic Personality Disorder***** |
canadian_is_cold |
Jun-04-08 01:56 PM |
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No, she isn't. Those are your subjective interpretations... the same could be said of Obama. |
Dr_eldritch |
Jun-04-08 02:14 PM |
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Wow talk about not being objective. |
rebel with a cause |
Jun-04-08 03:03 PM |
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Wow, that went RIGHT over your head. Ummm.... here's a clue... |
Dr_eldritch |
Jun-04-08 07:49 PM |
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What can I say? If the evaluation criteria fits.... |
canadian_is_cold |
Jun-04-08 08:55 PM |
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YES. She is. n/t |
Triana |
Jun-04-08 02:55 PM |
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The sense of entitlement she has is a dead giveaway: NARCISSISM |
undeterred |
Jun-04-08 01:58 PM |
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Amazing.. she only needs 5 to be suspect, but she has all 9 .. eeek |
canadian_is_cold |
Jun-04-08 01:59 PM |
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Then how do you explain the sense of entitlement Obama the JUNIOR Senator must have? |
Dr_eldritch |
Jun-04-08 02:16 PM |
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I don't see a bit of arrogance or narcissism in him at all. |
undeterred |
Jun-04-08 02:41 PM |
#51 |
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Right, and your subjective impression is all the clinical data anyone needs... |
Dr_eldritch |
Jun-04-08 03:00 PM |
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Where do you observe behavior that suggests a sense of entitlement? |
sfexpat2000 |
Jun-04-08 03:03 PM |
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It's just a sense I get that she 'expected' to get the nomination. It was almost as if |
Dr_eldritch |
Jun-04-08 05:46 PM |
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Sorry. I thought you were referring to Obama. n/t |
sfexpat2000 |
Jun-04-08 10:08 PM |
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ummmm... |
canadian_is_cold |
Jun-04-08 09:10 PM |
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lol. I was asking about Obama. |
sfexpat2000 |
Jun-04-08 10:08 PM |
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Er . . . isn't Hillary a "junior senator" as well |
janet118 |
Jun-04-08 05:26 PM |
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almost half of the votes |
Two Americas |
Jun-04-08 02:09 PM |
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George McGovern was the nominee... |
gorekerrydreamticket |
Jun-04-08 03:03 PM |
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incorrect |
Two Americas |
Jun-04-08 03:12 PM |
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Huh, people who have Narcissism |
rebel with a cause |
Jun-04-08 02:35 PM |
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No, it's a sick minded disorder. |
ShortnFiery |
Jun-04-08 02:36 PM |
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Horse-fucking-shit! |
MadHound |
Jun-04-08 02:38 PM |
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So many of you are just playing armchair psychologists and pitching out of your league. |
Dr_eldritch |
Jun-04-08 02:53 PM |
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I don't mean to make you "wrong" but, this is the thing. |
sfexpat2000 |
Jun-04-08 02:58 PM |
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Her behavior is wrong, you'll get no argument from me. But like I said, |
Dr_eldritch |
Jun-04-08 03:03 PM |
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I don't want to make any claim to a DX, but the stories are there. |
sfexpat2000 |
Jun-04-08 03:13 PM |
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I thought that every politician that ran for office could in fact be |
mdmc |
Jun-04-08 02:58 PM |
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Actually to say that she has a personality disorder |
rebel with a cause |
Jun-04-08 03:20 PM |
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Oh, there's a reason I put it that way. Let me ask you; |
Dr_eldritch |
Jun-04-08 03:45 PM |
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If I really believed she had a disorder and |
rebel with a cause |
Jun-04-08 04:17 PM |
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Who are you and what have you done with Dr_eldritch? |
Lilith Velkor |
Jun-04-08 04:28 PM |
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I'm Rational... as always. |
Dr_eldritch |
Jun-04-08 05:30 PM |
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Of course your right |
grantcart |
Jun-04-08 03:04 PM |
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"Forgiveness is easier to get than permission." - Yep. |
Dr_eldritch |
Jun-04-08 03:41 PM |
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If she wants to play with the boys, she's got to learn to take her loss like a man. |
Stephanie |
Jun-04-08 03:17 PM |
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Agreed. |
KC2 |
Jun-04-08 03:22 PM |
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well- are narcissists not also "human"? Or do we |
Bluerthanblue |
Jun-04-08 03:44 PM |
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I agree she doesn't have a disorder. She just wanted this win more than anything. |
applegrove |
Jun-04-08 03:48 PM |
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The Clintons had their turn. Make no mistake, they are a team nt |
Truth Hurts A Lot |
Jun-04-08 04:13 PM |
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So... all the other candidates who've failed before her and bowed out gracefully... |
redqueen |
Jun-04-08 04:30 PM |
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No, they were just more reasonable. Perhaps even more realistic. |
Dr_eldritch |
Jun-04-08 05:32 PM |
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She's pushy. |
redqueen |
Jun-04-08 05:36 PM |
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Can you imagine if a guy were acting this way? |
Dr_eldritch |
Jun-04-08 05:44 PM |
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Yeah. |
redqueen |
Jun-04-08 05:48 PM |
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I believe you are correct, sir! |
frickaline |
Jun-04-08 04:33 PM |
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Al Gore had to deal with this too. |
DeschutesRiver |
Jun-04-08 06:01 PM |
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I would guess that no one here is qualified to diagnose mental illness at a distance either. |
alarimer |
Jun-04-08 06:28 PM |
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Then you're voting forrrrrr........???? |
Dr_eldritch |
Jun-04-08 07:59 PM |
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I would say all of our Primary Candidates tend to be ambitious, hard workers, and planners. |
impeachdubya |
Jun-04-08 08:01 PM |
#105 |
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