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36. No, that's egocentrism.
Edited on Wed Jun-04-08 01:53 PM by Dr_eldritch
I've been going on memory, but what the hell. (here's a good list);

(Bold mine)

Someone who suffers from Narcissistic Personality disorder (NPD) has at least 5 of the following characteristics:

-has a grandiose sense of self-importance (e.g., exaggerates achievements and talents, expects to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements) -Possible, but that's too subjective a call for people who are upset with her... such as yourself.

-is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love -The narcissist fantasizes about and expects to be handed those things... she actually worked for it. That takes it out of the realm of fantasy

-believes that he or she is "special" and unique and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people (or institutions) This is possible, but the narcissist will show open disdain for 'ordinary folk'. Her actions prove that she has no such aversion.

-requires excessive admiration - assuming that her willingness to accept praise is a need for 'execssive admiration' would give every politician NPD

-has a sense of entitlement, i.e., unreasonable expectations of especially favorable treatment or automatic compliance with his or her expectations - it was not unreasonable for her to expect to win... in fact many people thought she would.

-is interpersonally exploitative, i.e., takes advantage of others to achieve his or her own ends This also goes with the territory of politics, it's hard to quantify it in such a context without glaring examples

-lacks empathy: is unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others Possible, but this is a trait shared by many conditions and disorders

-is often envious of others or believes that others are envious of him or her - Again, no outstanding examples

-shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes -Yeah... we've seen that, but again, that could be indicative of all sorts of things.

-Here are some more signs of Narcissistic Personality Disorder to look out for:

Jealousy and possessiveness - notsomuch

Excessive need to feel special, adored, loved, appreciated, or admired - nothing notably excessive

Rage attacks when you do not sufficiently meet his/her needs - no outstanding instances that I know of

Controlling behaviors (trying to control how you spend your time, who you talk to, how you dress, etc.) -We'd have to ask Chelsea and Bill, but no one has described this tendency in her

Inflated self-esteem, or grandiosity (bragging, "fishing" for compliments) -possibly, but haven't seen solid examples.

Dramatic, insecure behaviors -No solid examples

Expecting you to take responsibility for making him/her feel better about him/herself -again, we don't know

Blaming you for behaviors or feelings (i.e., "YOU made me do this," or "YOU made me feel this way.") -could indicate multiple conditions/disorders, no solid examples

Not taking responsibility for angry behavior and justifying angry outbursts -no solid examples

An attitude that demonstrates "the world revolves around me" and "you need to cater to my ideas, opinions, thoughts, and feelings." -the same could be said of Obama by his detractors

An unwillingness to reflect on his/her own behaviors
 -That I could agree with


http://www.narcissism101.com /

You see, the problem here is that most of the indications you think apply to her from your subjective viewpoint could just as easily apply to anyone, Obama included.

She just doesn't objectively meet enough of the criteria to conclude she has NPD.


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  -It's not Narcissism. Dr_eldritch  Jun-04-08 12:48 PM   #0 
  - Narcissists are often very high achievers with a lot of discipline  sfexpat2000   Jun-04-08 12:50 PM   #1 
  - Exactly.. the two things are not mutually exclusive  SoCalDem   Jun-04-08 01:27 PM   #28 
  - Damn straight. God I love smart people.  msallied   Jun-04-08 01:39 PM   #34 
  - Did you catch the part where Hillary said , essentially, that's she's  sfexpat2000   Jun-04-08 02:35 PM   #46 
  - It is "Messianic".  bvar22   Jun-04-08 06:24 PM   #101 
  - I'm sorry, I'm probably dating myself, here...  impeachdubya   Jun-04-08 08:16 PM   #106 
     - The link is broken. What can't I see?  sfexpat2000   Jun-04-08 10:09 PM   #111 
        - Burt from "Soap". nt  impeachdubya   Jun-04-08 10:43 PM   #112 
  - By your criteria, nearly all politicians exhibit NPD  Dr_eldritch   Jun-04-08 02:41 PM   #50 
  - A shrink friend of ours told us once that people with this type of "disorder"  SoCalDem   Jun-04-08 02:54 PM   #57 
  - Smarter people compensate better, too. They can go right under  sfexpat2000   Jun-04-08 02:56 PM   #61 
  - a) I agree about NPD and the professions  Jackpine Radical   Jun-04-08 03:44 PM   #81 
  - No, not all politicians exhibit NPD. Speaking of enabling,  sfexpat2000   Jun-04-08 02:55 PM   #59 
     - My middle son was diagnosed with it at 15 (even though the shrink said he was a bit young)  SoCalDem   Jun-04-08 03:58 PM   #86 
        - I knew we had something in common.  sfexpat2000   Jun-04-08 05:33 PM   #95 
  - Six of one, half a dozen of the other...  LanternWaste   Jun-04-08 02:49 PM   #54 
     - Don't call us Frist until we show up on the Senate floor and call for a vote.  sfexpat2000   Jun-04-08 03:01 PM   #66 
        - Hiya Pat. Your one of may fav's on DU!  LanternWaste   Jun-04-08 03:05 PM   #72 
           - Seriously, if you see me calling for a vote, please dial 911!  sfexpat2000   Jun-04-08 03:14 PM   #76 
  - Can't admit fault and leave a wake of chaos/destruction  JNelson6563   Jun-04-08 03:46 PM   #84 
  - I think you have got this right...  movonne   Jun-04-08 12:50 PM   # 
  - I think it is narcissism. She doesn't display any capacity for humiliation or awareness of her acti  Diane R   Jun-04-08 12:50 PM   #2 
  - Oh, I think it's narcissism.  dchill   Jun-04-08 12:51 PM   #3 
  - Her behavior is disrespectful and classless. She has no place on the ticket because of her actions  Windy   Jun-04-08 12:51 PM   #4 
  - Wow. Insightful. So where does the Democratic Party and people like us fit in this grand design?  kenny blankenship   Jun-04-08 12:51 PM   #5 
  - It's an admittedly fine line...  Dr_eldritch   Jun-04-08 01:10 PM   # 
  - What you've described is the very definition of narcissism  IWantAnyDem   Jun-04-08 12:52 PM   #6 
  - Agreed, and very well-said.  MrCoffee   Jun-04-08 12:52 PM   #7 
  - It's not like a sporting even where one side gets a trophy, you high five at the end  LisaM   Jun-04-08 12:52 PM   #8 
  - That's not the point of the post  Oddman   Jun-04-08 01:02 PM   #16 
     - Well I guess I just disagree  LisaM   Jun-04-08 01:10 PM   #20 
        - The majority of candidates read the writing  Oddman   Jun-04-08 01:22 PM   #23 
  - "she's human".... bullshit... I want a DNA test.  scheming daemons   Jun-04-08 12:53 PM   #9 
  - If she's supposed to be a strong person why do people make excuses for her?  DJ13   Jun-04-08 12:55 PM   #10 
  - Ding, ding, ding! DJ13  Mimosa   Jun-04-08 02:35 PM   #47 
  - I didn't say she wasn't behaving poorly. I just think it's really silly  Dr_eldritch   Jun-04-08 02:43 PM   #52 
  - For her not to even get that last night was about Barack...  polichick   Jun-04-08 12:56 PM   #11 
  - If 'Rude'='Narcissist', then we all need meds.  Dr_eldritch   Jun-04-08 02:31 PM   #44 
     - Bush the lesser and Hillary have some things in common  rebel with a cause   Jun-04-08 02:51 PM   #55 
     - It's way beyond rude - she shows a lack of empathy...  polichick   Jun-04-08 03:08 PM   #73 
  - People who *lose* and yet feel "cheated" fucking suck.  BlooInBloo   Jun-04-08 12:56 PM   #12 
  - depends on the loss  hfojvt   Jun-04-08 01:24 PM   #25 
     - To check to cheap shots regarding the clinton campaign, all they need is a mirror & youtube  SoCalDem   Jun-04-08 01:29 PM   #29 
  - She's dealing near-fatal blows to herself imo. Hard to believe she  babylonsister   Jun-04-08 12:56 PM   #13 
  - THE mark of a narcissist is this:  Triana   Jun-04-08 12:58 PM   #14 
  - No, that's egocentrism.  Dr_eldritch   Jun-04-08 01:50 PM   #36 
     - split those hairs all you want. Lack of empathy is the defining one...  Triana   Jun-04-08 02:55 PM   #58 
  - "She's only human" and "it's narcissism" are mere excuses...  Lucky 13   Jun-04-08 01:02 PM   #15 
  - Well, narcissists ARE human and their lack of empathy manifests as poor judgement...  Triana   Jun-04-08 01:05 PM   #18 
  - I agree and said about the same thing before  rebel with a cause   Jun-04-08 02:56 PM   #62 
  - She doesn't have a mental disorder. She has a personality disorder.  msallied   Jun-04-08 01:08 PM   #19 
  - Dear, your entire explanation of her behavior DEFINES narcissism.  msallied   Jun-04-08 01:05 PM   #17 
  - No. it's closer to Intrinsic egomaniacal frustration.  Dr_eldritch   Jun-04-08 01:23 PM   #24 
     - Now you're just splitting hairs. lol  msallied   Jun-04-08 01:33 PM   #30 
        - She may have ego issues, but it's not a disorder. It's not NPD.  Dr_eldritch   Jun-04-08 01:55 PM   #37 
           - No, she has another disorder. I've already said that. I don't agree she has NPD.  msallied   Jun-04-08 02:44 PM   #53 
  - Definitely NPD....  gorekerrydreamticket   Jun-04-08 01:11 PM   #21 
  - No, it's more like APD. I firmly believe they just have  msallied   Jun-04-08 01:35 PM   #31 
  - She can grow a beard like Al Gore.  Swamp Rat   Jun-04-08 01:11 PM   #22 
  - haha  beat tk   Jun-04-08 01:26 PM   #26 
  - Please spare us the excuse. Most big boys and girls know they have to concede at the end.  genna   Jun-04-08 01:26 PM   #27 
  - Well put. I agree completely...  msallied   Jun-04-08 01:37 PM   #32 
  - It's "Hard Work." Where have I heard that line before? Hmmm  Independent-Voter   Jun-04-08 01:38 PM   #33 
  - She's an adult, there's an important election to win, this is self-absorbed and ridiculous.  heraldsqure   Jun-04-08 01:49 PM   #35 
  - *****Narcissistic Personality Disorder*****  canadian_is_cold   Jun-04-08 01:56 PM   #38 
  - No, she isn't. Those are your subjective interpretations... the same could be said of Obama.  Dr_eldritch   Jun-04-08 02:14 PM   #42 
  - Wow talk about not being objective.  rebel with a cause   Jun-04-08 03:03 PM   #70 
  - Wow, that went RIGHT over your head. Ummm.... here's a clue...  Dr_eldritch   Jun-04-08 07:49 PM   #103 
  - What can I say? If the evaluation criteria fits....  canadian_is_cold   Jun-04-08 08:55 PM   #107 
  - YES. She is. n/t  Triana   Jun-04-08 02:55 PM   #60 
  - The sense of entitlement she has is a dead giveaway: NARCISSISM  undeterred   Jun-04-08 01:58 PM   #39 
  - Amazing.. she only needs 5 to be suspect, but she has all 9 .. eeek  canadian_is_cold   Jun-04-08 01:59 PM   #40 
  - Then how do you explain the sense of entitlement Obama the JUNIOR Senator must have?  Dr_eldritch   Jun-04-08 02:16 PM   #43 
     - I don't see a bit of arrogance or narcissism in him at all.  undeterred   Jun-04-08 02:41 PM   #51 
     - Right, and your subjective impression is all the clinical data anyone needs...  Dr_eldritch   Jun-04-08 03:00 PM   #65 
     - Where do you observe behavior that suggests a sense of entitlement?  sfexpat2000   Jun-04-08 03:03 PM   #67 
     - It's just a sense I get that she 'expected' to get the nomination. It was almost as if  Dr_eldritch   Jun-04-08 05:46 PM   #98 
     - Sorry. I thought you were referring to Obama. n/t  sfexpat2000   Jun-04-08 10:08 PM   #109 
     - ummmm...  canadian_is_cold   Jun-04-08 09:10 PM   #108 
        - lol. I was asking about Obama.  sfexpat2000   Jun-04-08 10:08 PM   #110 
     - Er . . . isn't Hillary a "junior senator" as well  janet118   Jun-04-08 05:26 PM   #92 
  - almost half of the votes  Two Americas   Jun-04-08 02:09 PM   #41 
  - George McGovern was the nominee...  gorekerrydreamticket   Jun-04-08 03:03 PM   #68 
     - incorrect  Two Americas   Jun-04-08 03:12 PM   #74 
  - Huh, people who have Narcissism  rebel with a cause   Jun-04-08 02:35 PM   #45 
  - No, it's a sick minded disorder.  ShortnFiery   Jun-04-08 02:36 PM   #48 
  - Horse-fucking-shit!  MadHound   Jun-04-08 02:38 PM   #49 
  - So many of you are just playing armchair psychologists and pitching out of your league.  Dr_eldritch   Jun-04-08 02:53 PM   #56 
  - I don't mean to make you "wrong" but, this is the thing.  sfexpat2000   Jun-04-08 02:58 PM   #63 
  - Her behavior is wrong, you'll get no argument from me. But like I said,  Dr_eldritch   Jun-04-08 03:03 PM   #69 
     - I don't want to make any claim to a DX, but the stories are there.  sfexpat2000   Jun-04-08 03:13 PM   #75 
  - I thought that every politician that ran for office could in fact be  mdmc   Jun-04-08 02:58 PM   #64 
  - Actually to say that she has a personality disorder  rebel with a cause   Jun-04-08 03:20 PM   #78 
  - Oh, there's a reason I put it that way. Let me ask you;  Dr_eldritch   Jun-04-08 03:45 PM   #83 
     - If I really believed she had a disorder and  rebel with a cause   Jun-04-08 04:17 PM   #88 
  - Who are you and what have you done with Dr_eldritch?  Lilith Velkor   Jun-04-08 04:28 PM   #89 
     - I'm Rational... as always.  Dr_eldritch   Jun-04-08 05:30 PM   #93 
  - Of course your right  grantcart   Jun-04-08 03:04 PM   #71 
  - "Forgiveness is easier to get than permission." - Yep.  Dr_eldritch   Jun-04-08 03:41 PM   #80 
  - If she wants to play with the boys, she's got to learn to take her loss like a man.  Stephanie   Jun-04-08 03:17 PM   #77 
  - Agreed.  KC2   Jun-04-08 03:22 PM   #79 
  - well- are narcissists not also "human"? Or do we  Bluerthanblue   Jun-04-08 03:44 PM   #82 
  - I agree she doesn't have a disorder. She just wanted this win more than anything.  applegrove   Jun-04-08 03:48 PM   #85 
  - The Clintons had their turn. Make no mistake, they are a team nt  Truth Hurts A Lot   Jun-04-08 04:13 PM   #87 
  - So... all the other candidates who've failed before her and bowed out gracefully...  redqueen   Jun-04-08 04:30 PM   #90 
  - No, they were just more reasonable. Perhaps even more realistic.  Dr_eldritch   Jun-04-08 05:32 PM   #94 
     - She's pushy.  redqueen   Jun-04-08 05:36 PM   #96 
        - Can you imagine if a guy were acting this way?  Dr_eldritch   Jun-04-08 05:44 PM   #97 
           - Yeah.  redqueen   Jun-04-08 05:48 PM   #99 
  - I believe you are correct, sir!  frickaline   Jun-04-08 04:33 PM   #91 
  - Al Gore had to deal with this too.  DeschutesRiver   Jun-04-08 06:01 PM   #100 
  - I would guess that no one here is qualified to diagnose mental illness at a distance either.  alarimer   Jun-04-08 06:28 PM   #102 
  - Then you're voting forrrrrr........????  Dr_eldritch   Jun-04-08 07:59 PM   #104 
  - I would say all of our Primary Candidates tend to be ambitious, hard workers, and planners.  impeachdubya   Jun-04-08 08:01 PM   #105 
 

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