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crickets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 02:02 AM
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50. It's obvious,
Edited on Sun Jun-01-08 02:04 AM by crickets
but apparently some people - in the general pop. and in Congress - still don't get it.
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  -"I Deeply Regret My Vote Authorizing the War in Iraq" Yavin4  May-31-08 11:02 PM   #0 
  - Agreed. The vote for the IWR and subsequent refusal to apologize/admit it was a mistake  impeachdubya   May-31-08 11:04 PM   #1 
  - Not true. It's a red herring that is more comfortable to use than just  jasmine621   Jun-01-08 12:30 AM   #40 
  - I hate Hillary Clinton for all of the above.  papapi   Jun-01-08 01:02 AM   #48 
  - It is not a red herring. I loathe Hillary Clinton for that reason compounded  Catherina   Jun-01-08 04:22 AM   #53 
  - Hillary voted FOR cluster bombs?  Canuckistanian   Jun-01-08 08:44 AM   #74 
  - Oh, BULLSHIT. Take your penny ante psychoanalysis elsewhere.  impeachdubya   Jun-01-08 04:26 AM   #56 
  - You make it sound that we didn't vote for Obama, but against Hillary.  Katzenkavalier   Jun-01-08 08:57 AM   #76 
  - Yes, it's true. There is only one viable candidate standing. GUESS his views.  WinkyDink   Jun-01-08 12:44 PM   #88 
  - I hate her because she is a Liar. Is that good enough?  JackORoses   Jun-01-08 02:21 PM   #92 
  - I have come to agree with those who note ...  Cosmocat   Jun-01-08 08:17 AM   #70 
  - Then you must not have voted for John Kerry in 2004  Taxmyth   May-31-08 11:04 PM   #2 
  - Have you ever heard his apology? nt  babylonsister   May-31-08 11:05 PM   #5 
  - Kerry was constantly plagued by that vote during the election  LSK   May-31-08 11:06 PM   #6 
  - Kerry was saying the WAR itself was wrong even in 2004  karynnj   Jun-01-08 12:14 PM   #86 
  - I worked/voted for Kerry in the general, but he was my last choice in the primary  orangepeel68   May-31-08 11:07 PM   #7 
  - Doesn't It Seem LIke There Were More  otohara   May-31-08 11:25 PM   #17 
  - of course, in the primary.  orangepeel68   Jun-01-08 08:07 AM   #66 
  - Dean should have been the nominee  Carolina   Jun-01-08 08:10 AM   #68 
  - If the issue was IWR, that is pretty strange as Kerry was nowhere near the worst  karynnj   Jun-01-08 11:45 AM   #82 
     - I supported Dean  orangepeel68   Jun-01-08 12:41 PM   #87 
        - Similar on their "war" votes?  karynnj   Jun-01-08 02:24 PM   #93 
           - Suspect whatever you want.  orangepeel68   Jun-01-08 02:39 PM   #96 
  - I voted for him in the GE  WatchWhatISay   May-31-08 11:08 PM   #8 
  - Kerry and Edwards apologized n/t  cbc5g   May-31-08 11:11 PM   #9 
  - Kerry Was The "Safe" Choice Over Dean  Yavin4   May-31-08 11:16 PM   #12 
  - It's obvious,  crickets   Jun-01-08 02:02 AM   #50 
  - I voted for Kerry because I sincerely thought he would defend the vote  Stevepol   Jun-01-08 04:25 AM   #55 
     - That's where I am at. I hope I am wrong too. Still gonna vote, if only to make them steal it. :( nt  glitch   Jun-01-08 11:29 PM   #99 
  - DUH! At least Kerry is man enough to admit a mistake.  blonndee   May-31-08 11:17 PM   #13 
  - "Mr. President Do Not Rush To War"  sandnsea   May-31-08 11:45 PM   #28 
  - Not in a PRIMARY where I had a CHOICE, I didn't.  PassingFair   May-31-08 11:56 PM   #30 
  - How does that apply to Sen Clinton? She sided with George Bush. Other people did to, but that  rhett o rick   Jun-01-08 12:00 AM   #32 
  - One sentence, but never an apology. Too *-like for me. nt  babylonsister   May-31-08 11:05 PM   #3 
  - Yup. She's a greek tragic hero - constitutionally unable to stop herself...  BlooInBloo   May-31-08 11:05 PM   #4 
  - She's no "tragic hero." That was LBJ. She's a marginal figure.  faygokid   May-31-08 11:15 PM   #10 
     - Sigh. It's a term classical greek theater.  BlooInBloo   May-31-08 11:31 PM   #21 
        - It's also the state slogan of Virginia. Sigh.  faygokid   May-31-08 11:40 PM   #26 
  - At least she has been honest in not pretending to have any regrets.  Impeachment_Monkey   May-31-08 11:15 PM   #11 
  - You are giving her credit for being honest about her support for the tyrannt Bush and his war?  rhett o rick   Jun-01-08 12:02 AM   #33 
     - Hillary's just showing her true colors, by not regreting her pro-war vote  Impeachment_Monkey   Jun-01-08 06:04 PM   #97 
        - I understand. Takes me a little while. I am blinded by my distaste for her supplication to our  rhett o rick   Jun-01-08 11:48 PM   #100 
  - And yet, hilary's campaign manager is talkin' trash about Scotty McClellan  zidzi   May-31-08 11:18 PM   #14 
  - "Regret" means never having to say you're sorry...  housewolf   May-31-08 11:23 PM   #15 
  - Agreed. Her arrogance was her downfall.  jazzjunkysue   May-31-08 11:24 PM   #16 
  - She isn't out of touch with the dem base  Nite Owl   May-31-08 11:26 PM   #18 
  - She Spent More Time Charming Conservatives Like Rupert Murdoch  Yavin4   May-31-08 11:31 PM   #22 
  - She didn't want or need us  Nite Owl   May-31-08 11:37 PM   #25 
  - She actually laughed at us and told us to vote for other candidates if we didn't like it  Catherina   Jun-01-08 04:23 AM   #54 
  - I agree that this was a big part of it. I also feel that her old style politik didn't match up well  Political Heretic   May-31-08 11:28 PM   #19 
  - Agreed on Iraq vote. But what about her comment on Iran O?  curious one   May-31-08 11:30 PM   #20 
  - It Was A Pandering Vote All Around By Edwards, Kerry and Hillary  Median Democrat   May-31-08 11:32 PM   #23 
  - Who led the party those years?  sandnsea   May-31-08 11:54 PM   #29 
  - Agree, Hillary and Bill Were Outspoken In Supporting Bush...  Median Democrat   Jun-01-08 12:49 AM   #45 
  - The three were not the same  karynnj   Jun-01-08 12:04 PM   #83 
  - In other words if Hillary Clinton was not Hillary Clinton but a differenre person  Yotun   May-31-08 11:32 PM   #24 
  - I think you're wrong on every count, and...  guruoo   May-31-08 11:45 PM   #27 
  - So your point is that she is justified for supporting our fascist leader because  rhett o rick   Jun-01-08 12:08 AM   #34 
  - You claimed a majority of her constituants opposed her vote even before they knew there were no WMD  guruoo   Jun-01-08 12:18 AM   #36 
     - AND YOU ARE FUCKING WRONG  Yavin4   Jun-01-08 12:24 AM   #39 
     - Before the WMD lies were exposed?  guruoo   Jun-01-08 12:39 AM   #42 
        - Joe Wilson? Perhaps you heard of him? Inspectors?  Median Democrat   Jun-01-08 12:46 AM   #44 
        - The IWR was passed in October of '02. The war began on March 19, '03.  guruoo   Jun-01-08 12:58 AM   #46 
           - And Bill and Hillary Clinton Were Supporting The War Before It Started . . .  Median Democrat   Jun-01-08 01:05 AM   #49 
              - That wasn't the point I was disputing...  guruoo   Jun-01-08 10:24 AM   #79 
        - yes, many of us knew the WMD threat was a hoax  Carolina   Jun-01-08 08:20 AM   #71 
     - It is easy to critize a post but much harder to make a point. What's your point?  rhett o rick   Jun-01-08 09:55 AM   #78 
  - HER NY CONSTITUENTS MARCHED IN THE DAMN SNOW  Yavin4   Jun-01-08 12:13 AM   #35 
     - So, this group of protestors comprised a 'majority of her constituants'?  guruoo   Jun-01-08 12:21 AM   #37 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-01-08 12:23 AM   #38 
           - With all due respect, doubt had been raised reg the WMDs by the time the war started  guruoo   Jun-01-08 12:31 AM   #41 
  - That, and Acting Like We Insulted Her If We Didn't Vote For Her  Edgewater_Joe   May-31-08 11:59 PM   #31 
  - It would have mattered.  AtomicKitten   Jun-01-08 12:44 AM   #43 
  - Agreed. And her popularity before the primaries was media hype.  papapi   Jun-01-08 01:01 AM   #47 
  - she's not as dreamy as John Edwards  Enrique   Jun-01-08 03:20 AM   #51 
  - Your post won't bring dead Iraqi children back either. Why are you doing this?  crickets   Jun-01-08 04:17 AM   #52 
  - lol, I'm being disrespectful of the dead  Enrique   Jun-01-08 04:31 AM   #58 
     - Yes, you are.  crickets   Jun-01-08 04:59 AM   #59 
     - pure sophistry and ad hominem  Enrique   Jun-01-08 05:10 AM   #62 
        - You've made yourself clear, far clearer than you know.  crickets   Jun-01-08 05:26 AM   #63 
           - I haven't made any such ad hominems  Enrique   Jun-01-08 05:49 AM   #65 
     - yes, you are  Carolina   Jun-01-08 08:26 AM   #73 
     - And of their living relatives!! Our entire family has suffered from this war!!  Major Hogwash   Jun-01-08 06:10 PM   #98 
  - Right, far better to flatly refuse to apologize- or admit it was a mistake.  impeachdubya   Jun-01-08 04:31 AM   #57 
  - And then she proved that she'd learned nothing by her vote on Iran.  polichick   Jun-01-08 05:00 AM   #60 
  - I don't think it was just that; if she voted differently on the war but ran the campaign just like  BklynChick   Jun-01-08 05:08 AM   #61 
  - The Clintons lost the primary season due to their own incompetence  LiberaI   Jun-01-08 05:45 AM   #64 
  - K&R K&R K&R K&R K&R!!!  Carolina   Jun-01-08 08:09 AM   #67 
  - She lacks the leadership ability to be a good Senator or President.  tabasco   Jun-01-08 08:13 AM   #69 
  - Her war vote, just like NAFTA 'rethinking'  DogPoundPup   Jun-01-08 08:24 AM   #72 
  - But that would show "weakness."  Xap   Jun-01-08 08:54 AM   #75 
  - That's what she thought.  Katzenkavalier   Jun-01-08 08:59 AM   #77 
  - Exactly right. I would be campaigning for her today if she had voted against the IWR.  Stephanie   Jun-01-08 10:38 AM   #80 
  - Apologize for that AND for voting AGAINST the Levin-Reed amendment  Liberal_Stalwart71   Jun-01-08 10:40 AM   #81 
  - She seems to have a pathological inability to apologize  JerseygirlCT   Jun-01-08 12:08 PM   #84 
  - An apology would have meant nothing.. she was done the moment she voted that way.  Milo_Bloom   Jun-01-08 12:10 PM   #85 
  - And she never could say it either. In that sense, she Hillary McClinton.  David Zephyr   Jun-01-08 12:53 PM   #89 
  - She did not utter those words because the DLC supports the military industrial complex.  Swamp Rat   Jun-01-08 12:54 PM   #90 
  - agreed  samsingh   Jun-01-08 02:17 PM   #91 
  - and maybe she ran a pathetic campaign until mark penn was booted  YDogg   Jun-01-08 02:25 PM   #94 
  - That's correct- she never once said those words and what a difference it would have made.  KaryninMiami   Jun-01-08 02:29 PM   #95 
  - Absolutely correct. nt  BullGooseLoony   Jun-01-08 11:50 PM   #101 
  - That didn't work so well for Edwards.  Radical Activist   Jun-01-08 11:51 PM   #102 
  - That and three letters: DLC  WA98070   Jun-01-08 11:52 PM   #103 

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