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Fri May-30-08 02:01 PM
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| 160. it's why religion shouldn't even be pondered in the election arena |
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Edited on Fri May-30-08 02:06 PM by wowimthere
I think the "Right" wants to continue to marry religion to politics simply because you state you are a Christian or Jew or Catholic or Muslim or whatever. Learn not to take what religious leaders say and apply them full board to politics. I've learned to separate this stuff out. Obama cannot be responsible for what every associate says or does. Stop this. It's beyond stupid to keep the religious statements of a pastor or former pastor in the public square only to tie it to a candidate. The issues front and center are what the candidates say about Iraq, the Economy, Healthcare and where they want to take this country.
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| -Wow. I just got a look at that Pfleger video. I'm stunned. |
Bucky |
May-30-08 07:59 AM |
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I laughed when I heard it. |
Clark2008 |
May-30-08 08:00 AM |
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My wife and I were laughing our arses off this morning while watching it. |
Zueda |
May-30-08 08:04 AM |
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Did you notice the clothes he was wearing? He's a minister, not a clown. |
Bucky |
May-30-08 08:12 AM |
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There's A Convention In June ??? |
WillyT |
May-30-08 08:17 AM |
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Or whenever. You know what I mean. |
Bucky |
May-30-08 08:24 AM |
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who says? |
Teaser |
May-30-08 08:20 AM |
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lol what does Hulk say lol |
grantcart |
May-30-08 10:57 AM |
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this whole media outrage is engineered. Its bullshit |
WillYourVoteBCounted |
May-30-08 08:22 AM |
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Context is important |
genna |
May-30-08 08:36 AM |
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the media would like him better if he was wearing a uniform and carrying a gun |
WillYourVoteBCounted |
May-30-08 08:38 AM |
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For the record, he's a Roman Catholic priest, not a minister. n/t |
ieoeja |
May-30-08 10:04 AM |
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Minister is a generic term that includes priests, vicars, preachers.... |
Bucky |
May-30-08 10:54 AM |
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I sit corrected. Thank you. n/t |
ieoeja |
May-30-08 01:03 PM |
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as a Unitarian, why judge the validity of other sects? |
foo_bar |
May-30-08 03:16 PM |
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He's a total clown. Pandering clown |
JoFerret |
May-30-08 05:06 PM |
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There's a difference between ministers and clowns? Not usually. |
JackRiddler |
May-30-08 05:08 PM |
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Except that it wasn't a skit and the guy was serious. |
Marrah_G |
May-30-08 08:05 AM |
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I heard the video, and it was comedy - but Hillary is the perfect foil for such comedy |
WillYourVoteBCounted |
May-30-08 08:25 AM |
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You have a valid point. However the foiler in this case is not a comedian |
Bucky |
May-30-08 09:16 AM |
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why do you presume to know the appropriate style of preaching? |
tishaLA |
May-30-08 10:12 AM |
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Exactly! And to say this hurts the party is nothing short of hyperbole. |
msallied |
May-30-08 12:04 PM |
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That would explain why he was laughing. I always laugh when I'm being serious. |
ieoeja |
May-30-08 10:06 AM |
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yes, he was serious and spot on |
Carolina |
May-30-08 10:36 AM |
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No it was stupid |
hfojvt |
May-30-08 10:55 AM |
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whatever, he's white and he's entitled |
Carolina |
May-30-08 04:59 PM |
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I did too |
WildEyedLiberal |
May-30-08 08:11 AM |
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When this comes up later as a right wing talking point come back and tell us again |
Arkansas Granny |
May-30-08 08:22 AM |
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It's worse than that. |
Bucky |
May-30-08 08:29 AM |
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That priest is white... |
ingac70 |
May-30-08 08:34 AM |
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You must be an American. As OP states, this conversation has turned you into an idiot. |
Bucky |
May-30-08 09:13 AM |
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The priest was white for chrissakes! |
ingac70 |
May-30-08 08:33 AM |
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From the OP: "discussions of race turn Americans into blithering, mewling idiots" |
Bucky |
May-30-08 08:43 AM |
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My post is dripping with sarcasm |
genna |
May-30-08 09:04 AM |
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No they need not shut up. Just shut up about the presidential race |
dbaker41 |
May-30-08 01:34 PM |
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I know the priest was white. I was reporting an opinion that I have heard, not my own. |
Arkansas Granny |
May-30-08 08:45 AM |
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imagine if the media told the truth about Hillary, then she wouldn't have won a single state |
WillYourVoteBCounted |
May-30-08 08:37 AM |
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We just can't talk about honestly about those "coloreds." Let's talk around it. Maybe they will |
genna |
May-30-08 08:40 AM |
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Everyone who has prejudices is not a racist. |
Bucky |
May-30-08 08:46 AM |
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Me too. Though nobody around me was. |
ieoeja |
May-30-08 10:03 AM |
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It WAS funny, and perhaps it was done in an inappropriate place, |
NoFederales |
May-30-08 10:46 AM |
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I was laughing my ass off! |
Hell Hath No Fury |
May-30-08 10:55 AM |
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I crack up every time I see it! |
Heather MC |
May-30-08 12:21 PM |
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I agree |
Marrah_G |
May-30-08 08:03 AM |
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I can not believe people here on DU are thinking this is funny. |
shaniqua6392 |
May-30-08 08:04 AM |
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I sorry but this was funny...And it hit home |
Max_powers94 |
May-30-08 08:05 AM |
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I was shocked by that also |
Marrah_G |
May-30-08 08:06 AM |
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Please anyone else who has faux outrage over this please add me to your ignore list as well. |
Zueda |
May-30-08 08:09 AM |
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My outrage is not fake. But yes, feel free to put me on ignore. |
Bucky |
May-30-08 08:13 AM |
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News flash- some churches focus on social justice. It's a tradition to talk about world events |
cryingshame |
May-30-08 08:07 AM |
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It's a tradition outside the mainstream. Do you want to win this election or not? |
beachmom |
May-30-08 08:17 AM |
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Outside the mainstream? Are you saying the 700 Club (for one small example) is fringe? |
cryingshame |
May-30-08 08:26 AM |
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The 700 Club is outside the mainstream, too. Honestly, churches should |
beachmom |
May-30-08 09:54 AM |
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Lets let the lying murderous complicit media tell us what church to go to |
WillYourVoteBCounted |
May-30-08 08:27 AM |
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Lets let the lying murderous complicit media tell us what church to go to |
WillYourVoteBCounted |
May-30-08 08:27 AM |
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what WillYourVoteBCounted said |
genna |
May-30-08 09:08 AM |
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You've got to be kidding me. Is it the truth that the government created aids to kill off black |
beachmom |
May-30-08 09:59 AM |
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I doubt the government |
FlaGranny |
May-30-08 01:10 PM |
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Most progressive churches talk about social justice; they act, too. |
fed_up_mother |
May-30-08 08:34 AM |
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what cryingshame said |
genna |
May-30-08 09:06 AM |
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I don't think bashing white people is a constructive way to focus on social justice |
hfojvt |
May-30-08 11:06 AM |
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Do you agree with everything that gets said in your church? |
JVS |
May-30-08 08:08 AM |
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Did you honestly think that the Republicans were going to be pure and kind but for the pesky folks? |
genna |
May-30-08 08:46 AM |
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he doesn't still goto church there |
hfojvt |
May-30-08 10:59 AM |
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That is still his home church. |
shaniqua6392 |
May-30-08 11:39 AM |
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And? |
BklnDem75 |
May-30-08 12:24 PM |
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It shows their political immaturity. Wait til the Republicans use it. |
kiranon |
May-30-08 01:46 PM |
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Pfleger came across as a hate-filled lunatic. He's funny only to Hillary-haters who are so blinded |
highplainsdem |
May-30-08 08:08 AM |
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Funny you got hate out of that snippet. |
jaxx |
May-30-08 08:11 AM |
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And according to taylor "swamp mouth" marsh.. |
Zueda |
May-30-08 08:13 AM |
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Oh my god!!! Hahahaha!!! |
chascarrillo |
May-30-08 08:25 AM |
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right? |
NatBurner |
May-30-08 10:19 AM |
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I'm not a Hillary hater. |
Clark2008 |
May-30-08 08:15 AM |
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Poor poor Assassination Hillary - everyone picks on her |
WillYourVoteBCounted |
May-30-08 08:24 AM |
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Your hyperbole is bordering on the |
leftynyc |
May-30-08 09:18 AM |
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Yeah, this didn't bother me much but I do realize it could cause |
AZSlacker |
May-30-08 08:08 AM |
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It was disgusting. |
ccharles000 |
May-30-08 08:09 AM |
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It's a pastor in a church. I'm tired of this crap being dragged into the campaign. |
sparosnare |
May-30-08 08:12 AM |
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I don't know if they're "trying to make a story out of it". A minister is a public figure. |
Bucky |
May-30-08 08:16 AM |
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According to the Constitution it doesn't matter what roll you think they fill in your world. |
JTFrog |
May-30-08 08:31 AM |
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Thank you. n/t |
sparosnare |
May-30-08 08:32 AM |
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Obama's personal connection with this priest isn't a problem, there's not much of one there |
Tom Rinaldo |
May-30-08 08:36 AM |
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Correct. Unfortunately n/t |
Inuca |
May-30-08 08:40 AM |
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Agreed |
genna |
May-30-08 09:19 AM |
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I think Obama can help lead us through this trap |
Tom Rinaldo |
May-30-08 09:31 AM |
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How can anyone hold Obama responsible for the remarks of a visiting pastor? |
Liberal Gramma |
May-30-08 10:42 AM |
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To literally answer your question |
Tom Rinaldo |
May-30-08 10:50 AM |
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Thanks for explaining. I think it's a pretty tenuous link, myself, |
Liberal Gramma |
May-30-08 04:25 PM |
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That's exactly the problem |
rightAintRIGHT |
May-30-08 11:09 AM |
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I am not stunned at all. You have an outrageous candidate that is going around making very |
IsItJustMe |
May-30-08 08:13 AM |
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The good thing is... |
stillcool47 |
May-30-08 10:53 AM |
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Are you saying they run their sermons by Obama first? |
jeffrey_X |
May-30-08 08:13 AM |
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No, I'm saying he should act like a leader and pastor, not like a clown. |
Bucky |
May-30-08 08:19 AM |
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What does that have to do with Obama? |
jeffrey_X |
May-30-08 12:09 PM |
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I think Obama should leave that church. I completely understand |
beachmom |
May-30-08 08:13 AM |
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Yes, Wright, for all his shenanigans, at least was a thoughtful performer. |
Bucky |
May-30-08 08:23 AM |
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I tend to agree |
Inuca |
May-30-08 08:42 AM |
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Religion has no place in our politics |
Raineyb |
May-30-08 10:19 AM |
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Amen. |
Kaylee |
May-30-08 10:26 AM |
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he`s not barack`s pastor... |
madrchsod |
May-30-08 08:17 AM |
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The problem was that the members of the church expressed appreciation |
beachmom |
May-30-08 08:19 AM |
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wright is no longer the pastor of the church |
madrchsod |
May-30-08 08:23 AM |
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Because now something has happened AGAIN. Will more stupid things |
beachmom |
May-30-08 10:09 AM |
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The OP is spot on |
RMP2008 |
May-30-08 10:16 AM |
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Have to agree wiith Barnacle on MSNBC, who's had enough of the crazy preachers on both sides! |
flpoljunkie |
May-30-08 08:19 AM |
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He also said, he had an inferiority complex..and tried to act like some "black" preacher..I was like |
Doityourself |
May-30-08 08:27 AM |
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I missed that. What a dumb thing for Barnacle to say! |
flpoljunkie |
May-30-08 08:33 AM |
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Yeah, it was dumb, but I understood what he meant, I just didn't like the broad brush..I've known |
Doityourself |
May-30-08 08:42 AM |
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funny the father smacked down fox news a month ago |
madrchsod |
May-30-08 08:27 AM |
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Interesting. The father must have a following. |
flpoljunkie |
May-30-08 08:34 AM |
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The Roman Catholic church actually has a rule limiting the years a priest may remain in one spot. |
ieoeja |
May-30-08 10:16 AM |
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Churches! |
PassingFair |
May-30-08 08:25 AM |
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I'm stunned that people think that the clips of this sermon are objectionable. |
chascarrillo |
May-30-08 08:27 AM |
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I agree with your post....(except I'm a Hillary supporter) |
cricket08 |
May-30-08 08:29 AM |
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This guys a nut-case |
BigDDem |
May-30-08 08:29 AM |
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I didn't think that was funny at all. I don't like it when pastors from the right or left |
slinkerwink |
May-30-08 08:30 AM |
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Well said. Thank you from another Obama supporter |
fed_up_mother |
May-30-08 08:30 AM |
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Why is it Obama's church only? What about the likes of Manning or Hagee or Parsley? |
NotThisTime |
May-30-08 08:30 AM |
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What is hate speech? |
genna |
May-30-08 08:33 AM |
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You guys don't get it - What was really funny was that he is a priest |
Jersey Devil |
May-30-08 08:35 AM |
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I thought he looked more like a stand-up comic than a priest. |
Lisa0825 |
May-30-08 09:08 AM |
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Bias crimes are back up in Crown Heights. Apparently, it doesn't |
Fredda Weinberg |
May-30-08 08:36 AM |
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I 100% agree with the OP, BUT |
Inuca |
May-30-08 08:44 AM |
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Hate crimes. Violence for the ethnic pride ... and you should hear |
Fredda Weinberg |
May-30-08 08:58 AM |
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Preachers say anything. You can't stop them. We see that from some of the most popular Televangelist |
BrentTaylor |
May-30-08 08:37 AM |
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Agree, gross and inappropriate |
Inuca |
May-30-08 08:38 AM |
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Damn straight- truly disgusting and extremely counter-productive |
npincus |
May-30-08 08:40 AM |
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More BS outrage! |
ProSense |
May-30-08 08:42 AM |
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I don't think it's BS ProSense |
Inuca |
May-30-08 08:49 AM |
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No, it's BS |
ProSense |
May-30-08 09:00 AM |
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I agree with what you say here |
Inuca |
May-30-08 09:14 AM |
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I propose a preacher ceasefire. McCain & friends can't complain about Obama's preachers |
beachmom |
May-30-08 10:15 AM |
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Well the Hillary campaign is hypocritical as usual. BUT, what the priest |
beachmom |
May-30-08 10:12 AM |
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Sen. Obama just needs to highlight that this is a past we must progress from.. |
barack the house |
May-30-08 09:14 AM |
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Two communities trying to reach an understanding when there is a great deal of mistrust |
genna |
May-30-08 09:33 AM |
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Okay, I've obviously been under a rock. What is this about? Link? |
helderheid |
May-30-08 09:17 AM |
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Just another bigot who campaigned for Obama in the pews of Obama's church... |
Marrah_G |
May-30-08 09:45 AM |
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TRYING, I am convinced. n/t |
demokatgurrl |
May-30-08 10:57 AM |
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Father Pflegler has done more for social justice then nearly everyone |
izzybeans |
May-30-08 09:26 AM |
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what izzybeans said |
genna |
May-30-08 09:35 AM |
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Here here ! |
Raineyb |
May-30-08 10:46 AM |
#128 |
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Can we please pause for a minute . . . |
nichomachus |
May-30-08 09:32 AM |
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what nichomachus said |
genna |
May-30-08 09:36 AM |
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Thank you. |
glitch |
May-30-08 09:47 AM |
#103 |
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I guess Hillary's semi-secret right-wing cult has no video |
janet118 |
May-30-08 10:12 AM |
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Is it on the boob toob? Any video? |
redqueen |
May-30-08 10:13 AM |
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Actually, it reminded me of Clinton's mocking of Obama |
janet118 |
May-30-08 09:40 AM |
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Let's get unified. The sky will open. The light will come down. Celestial choirs will come down. |
IndyOp |
May-30-08 09:48 AM |
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Yeah, that's the one |
janet118 |
May-30-08 09:51 AM |
#105 |
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Maybe a similar mocking tone |
Tom Rinaldo |
May-30-08 10:40 AM |
#126 |
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Except that OBAMA DIDN'T SAY IT... you keep glossing over that point |
scheming daemons |
May-30-08 01:56 PM |
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I'm not glossing over that point. I agree with you, Others here pointed out a similarity |
Tom Rinaldo |
May-30-08 03:18 PM |
#162 |
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Good point. |
helderheid |
May-30-08 10:48 AM |
#130 |
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I agree |
Blue_Roses |
May-30-08 09:42 AM |
#101 |
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i agree....nice Oba Linclon pic you got there ;) |
ElsewheresDaughter |
May-30-08 10:08 AM |
#111 |
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I'm LMFAO - a true performer. 5 Stars! He's both brusque and spot on! eom |
ShortnFiery |
May-30-08 10:13 AM |
#116 |
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I couldn't agree more. |
tandot |
May-30-08 10:14 AM |
#118 |
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I thought this priest remarks were disgusting and uncalled for. |
azmouse |
May-30-08 10:59 AM |
#139 |
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I'm with you on that. |
reflection |
May-30-08 11:58 AM |
#146 |
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Okay, I finally saw the video |
Raineyb |
May-30-08 11:48 AM |
#143 |
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That's what Harold Ickes' team wanted you to feel. They are desperate. |
Overseas |
May-30-08 11:51 AM |
#144 |
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Can Obama's stance that he had no idea what was going on in his church continue to be operative? |
2rth2pwr |
May-30-08 11:54 AM |
#145 |
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Doesn't matter -- Desperate Obama bashing will continue |
Overseas |
May-30-08 12:12 PM |
#150 |
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Pfleger is not a member of Obama's church. Obama doesn't clear the text of sermons |
scheming daemons |
May-30-08 01:58 PM |
#159 |
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Why is what is going on in his church relevant at all to the campaign? |
totodeinhere |
May-30-08 04:28 PM |
#164 |
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All is Vanity. |
dchill |
May-30-08 12:06 PM |
#148 |
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Pfleger just uttered what right-wing talk radio says about Hillary every day..... |
scheming daemons |
May-30-08 01:49 PM |
#157 |
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it's why religion shouldn't even be pondered in the election arena |
wowimthere |
May-30-08 02:01 PM |
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