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17. It's a pastor in a church. I'm tired of this crap being dragged into the campaign.
Obama has NO control over what is said during sermons like this; it's not as if he runs that church. He is one member of thousands. It is unfortunate Pfleger chose to perform the way he did without taking into consideration the impact it might have on Obama's campaign.

If people choose to hold Obama accountable for what a guest pastor says during his sermon, they wouldn't have voted for him anyway.

I just wish the press would stop trying to make a story out of it.

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  -Wow. I just got a look at that Pfleger video. I'm stunned. Bucky  May-30-08 07:59 AM   #0 
  - I laughed when I heard it.  Clark2008   May-30-08 08:00 AM   #1 
  - My wife and I were laughing our arses off this morning while watching it.  Zueda   May-30-08 08:04 AM   #3 
  - Did you notice the clothes he was wearing? He's a minister, not a clown.  Bucky   May-30-08 08:12 AM   #16 
     - There's A Convention In June ???  WillyT   May-30-08 08:17 AM   #26 
     - Or whenever. You know what I mean.  Bucky   May-30-08 08:24 AM   #37 
     - who says?  Teaser   May-30-08 08:20 AM   #31 
     - lol what does Hulk say lol  grantcart   May-30-08 10:57 AM   #136 
     - this whole media outrage is engineered. Its bullshit  WillYourVoteBCounted   May-30-08 08:22 AM   #32 
     - Context is important  genna   May-30-08 08:36 AM   #62 
     - the media would like him better if he was wearing a uniform and carrying a gun  WillYourVoteBCounted   May-30-08 08:38 AM   #68 
     - For the record, he's a Roman Catholic priest, not a minister. n/t  ieoeja   May-30-08 10:04 AM   #109 
     - Minister is a generic term that includes priests, vicars, preachers....  Bucky   May-30-08 10:54 AM   #133 
        - I sit corrected. Thank you. n/t  ieoeja   May-30-08 01:03 PM   #153 
        - as a Unitarian, why judge the validity of other sects?  foo_bar   May-30-08 03:16 PM   #161 
     - He's a total clown. Pandering clown  JoFerret   May-30-08 05:06 PM   #166 
     - There's a difference between ministers and clowns? Not usually.  JackRiddler   May-30-08 05:08 PM   #167 
  - Except that it wasn't a skit and the guy was serious.  Marrah_G   May-30-08 08:05 AM   #5 
  - I heard the video, and it was comedy - but Hillary is the perfect foil for such comedy  WillYourVoteBCounted   May-30-08 08:25 AM   #40 
  - You have a valid point. However the foiler in this case is not a comedian  Bucky   May-30-08 09:16 AM   #90 
     - why do you presume to know the appropriate style of preaching?  tishaLA   May-30-08 10:12 AM   #114 
        - Exactly! And to say this hurts the party is nothing short of hyperbole.  msallied   May-30-08 12:04 PM   #147 
  - That would explain why he was laughing. I always laugh when I'm being serious.  ieoeja   May-30-08 10:06 AM   #110 
  - yes, he was serious and spot on  Carolina   May-30-08 10:36 AM   #125 
     - No it was stupid  hfojvt   May-30-08 10:55 AM   #135 
        - whatever, he's white and he's entitled  Carolina   May-30-08 04:59 PM   #165 
  - I did too  WildEyedLiberal   May-30-08 08:11 AM   #14 
  - When this comes up later as a right wing talking point come back and tell us again  Arkansas Granny   May-30-08 08:22 AM   #33 
  - It's worse than that.  Bucky   May-30-08 08:29 AM   #48 
  - That priest is white...  ingac70   May-30-08 08:34 AM   #60 
     - You must be an American. As OP states, this conversation has turned you into an idiot.  Bucky   May-30-08 09:13 AM   #87 
  - The priest was white for chrissakes!  ingac70   May-30-08 08:33 AM   #56 
  - From the OP: "discussions of race turn Americans into blithering, mewling idiots"  Bucky   May-30-08 08:43 AM   #75 
  - My post is dripping with sarcasm  genna   May-30-08 09:04 AM   #83 
     - No they need not shut up. Just shut up about the presidential race  dbaker41   May-30-08 01:34 PM   #155 
  - I know the priest was white. I was reporting an opinion that I have heard, not my own.  Arkansas Granny   May-30-08 08:45 AM   #77 
  - imagine if the media told the truth about Hillary, then she wouldn't have won a single state  WillYourVoteBCounted   May-30-08 08:37 AM   #65 
  - We just can't talk about honestly about those "coloreds." Let's talk around it. Maybe they will  genna   May-30-08 08:40 AM   #69 
     - Everyone who has prejudices is not a racist.  Bucky   May-30-08 08:46 AM   #78 
  - Me too. Though nobody around me was.  ieoeja   May-30-08 10:03 AM   #108 
  - It WAS funny, and perhaps it was done in an inappropriate place,  NoFederales   May-30-08 10:46 AM   #129 
  - I was laughing my ass off!  Hell Hath No Fury   May-30-08 10:55 AM   #134 
  - I crack up every time I see it!  Heather MC   May-30-08 12:21 PM   #151 
  - I agree  Marrah_G   May-30-08 08:03 AM   #2 
  - I can not believe people here on DU are thinking this is funny.  shaniqua6392   May-30-08 08:04 AM   #4 
  - I sorry but this was funny...And it hit home  Max_powers94   May-30-08 08:05 AM   #6 
  - I was shocked by that also  Marrah_G   May-30-08 08:06 AM   #7 
  - Please anyone else who has faux outrage over this please add me to your ignore list as well.  Zueda   May-30-08 08:09 AM   #12 
     - My outrage is not fake. But yes, feel free to put me on ignore.  Bucky   May-30-08 08:13 AM   #18 
  - News flash- some churches focus on social justice. It's a tradition to talk about world events  cryingshame   May-30-08 08:07 AM   #8 
  - It's a tradition outside the mainstream. Do you want to win this election or not?  beachmom   May-30-08 08:17 AM   #27 
  - Outside the mainstream? Are you saying the 700 Club (for one small example) is fringe?  cryingshame   May-30-08 08:26 AM   #41 
  - The 700 Club is outside the mainstream, too. Honestly, churches should  beachmom   May-30-08 09:54 AM   #106 
  - Lets let the lying murderous complicit media tell us what church to go to  WillYourVoteBCounted   May-30-08 08:27 AM   #42 
  - Lets let the lying murderous complicit media tell us what church to go to  WillYourVoteBCounted   May-30-08 08:27 AM   #43 
     - what WillYourVoteBCounted said  genna   May-30-08 09:08 AM   #85 
     - You've got to be kidding me. Is it the truth that the government created aids to kill off black  beachmom   May-30-08 09:59 AM   #107 
        - I doubt the government  FlaGranny   May-30-08 01:10 PM   #154 
  - Most progressive churches talk about social justice; they act, too.  fed_up_mother   May-30-08 08:34 AM   #58 
  - what cryingshame said  genna   May-30-08 09:06 AM   #84 
  - I don't think bashing white people is a constructive way to focus on social justice  hfojvt   May-30-08 11:06 AM   #140 
  - Do you agree with everything that gets said in your church?  JVS   May-30-08 08:08 AM   #10 
  - Did you honestly think that the Republicans were going to be pure and kind but for the pesky folks?  genna   May-30-08 08:46 AM   #79 
  - he doesn't still goto church there  hfojvt   May-30-08 10:59 AM   #138 
  - That is still his home church.  shaniqua6392   May-30-08 11:39 AM   #142 
     - And?  BklnDem75   May-30-08 12:24 PM   #152 
  - It shows their political immaturity. Wait til the Republicans use it.  kiranon   May-30-08 01:46 PM   #156 
  - Pfleger came across as a hate-filled lunatic. He's funny only to Hillary-haters who are so blinded  highplainsdem   May-30-08 08:08 AM   #9 
  - Funny you got hate out of that snippet.  jaxx   May-30-08 08:11 AM   #15 
  - And according to taylor "swamp mouth" marsh..  Zueda   May-30-08 08:13 AM   #21 
  - Oh my god!!! Hahahaha!!!  chascarrillo   May-30-08 08:25 AM   #38 
  - right?  NatBurner   May-30-08 10:19 AM   #123 
  - I'm not a Hillary hater.  Clark2008   May-30-08 08:15 AM   #23 
  - Poor poor Assassination Hillary - everyone picks on her  WillYourVoteBCounted   May-30-08 08:24 AM   #36 
     - Your hyperbole is bordering on the  leftynyc   May-30-08 09:18 AM   #92 
  - Yeah, this didn't bother me much but I do realize it could cause  AZSlacker   May-30-08 08:08 AM   #11 
  - It was disgusting.  ccharles000   May-30-08 08:09 AM   #13 
  - It's a pastor in a church. I'm tired of this crap being dragged into the campaign.  sparosnare   May-30-08 08:12 AM   #17 
  - I don't know if they're "trying to make a story out of it". A minister is a public figure.  Bucky   May-30-08 08:16 AM   #24 
     - According to the Constitution it doesn't matter what roll you think they fill in your world.  JTFrog   May-30-08 08:31 AM   #53 
     - Thank you. n/t  sparosnare   May-30-08 08:32 AM   #54 
     - Obama's personal connection with this priest isn't a problem, there's not much of one there  Tom Rinaldo   May-30-08 08:36 AM   #63 
        - Correct. Unfortunately n/t  Inuca   May-30-08 08:40 AM   #70 
        - Agreed  genna   May-30-08 09:19 AM   #93 
        - I think Obama can help lead us through this trap  Tom Rinaldo   May-30-08 09:31 AM   #95 
        - How can anyone hold Obama responsible for the remarks of a visiting pastor?  Liberal Gramma   May-30-08 10:42 AM   #127 
        - To literally answer your question  Tom Rinaldo   May-30-08 10:50 AM   #131 
           - Thanks for explaining. I think it's a pretty tenuous link, myself,  Liberal Gramma   May-30-08 04:25 PM   #163 
        - That's exactly the problem  rightAintRIGHT   May-30-08 11:09 AM   #141 
  - I am not stunned at all. You have an outrageous candidate that is going around making very  IsItJustMe   May-30-08 08:13 AM   #19 
  - The good thing is...  stillcool47   May-30-08 10:53 AM   #132 
  - Are you saying they run their sermons by Obama first?  jeffrey_X   May-30-08 08:13 AM   #20 
  - No, I'm saying he should act like a leader and pastor, not like a clown.  Bucky   May-30-08 08:19 AM   #29 
     - What does that have to do with Obama?  jeffrey_X   May-30-08 12:09 PM   #149 
  - I think Obama should leave that church. I completely understand  beachmom   May-30-08 08:13 AM   #22 
  - Yes, Wright, for all his shenanigans, at least was a thoughtful performer.  Bucky   May-30-08 08:23 AM   #35 
  - I tend to agree  Inuca   May-30-08 08:42 AM   #72 
  - Religion has no place in our politics  Raineyb   May-30-08 10:19 AM   #122 
     - Amen.  Kaylee   May-30-08 10:26 AM   #124 
  - he`s not barack`s pastor...  madrchsod   May-30-08 08:17 AM   #25 
  - The problem was that the members of the church expressed appreciation  beachmom   May-30-08 08:19 AM   #30 
     - wright is no longer the pastor of the church  madrchsod   May-30-08 08:23 AM   #34 
        - Because now something has happened AGAIN. Will more stupid things  beachmom   May-30-08 10:09 AM   #112 
           - The OP is spot on  RMP2008   May-30-08 10:16 AM   #120 
  - Have to agree wiith Barnacle on MSNBC, who's had enough of the crazy preachers on both sides!  flpoljunkie   May-30-08 08:19 AM   #28 
  - He also said, he had an inferiority complex..and tried to act like some "black" preacher..I was like  Doityourself   May-30-08 08:27 AM   #44 
  - I missed that. What a dumb thing for Barnacle to say!  flpoljunkie   May-30-08 08:33 AM   #55 
     - Yeah, it was dumb, but I understood what he meant, I just didn't like the broad brush..I've known  Doityourself   May-30-08 08:42 AM   #74 
  - funny the father smacked down fox news a month ago  madrchsod   May-30-08 08:27 AM   #46 
     - Interesting. The father must have a following.  flpoljunkie   May-30-08 08:34 AM   #59 
        - The Roman Catholic church actually has a rule limiting the years a priest may remain in one spot.  ieoeja   May-30-08 10:16 AM   #121 
  - Churches!  PassingFair   May-30-08 08:25 AM   #39 
  - I'm stunned that people think that the clips of this sermon are objectionable.  chascarrillo   May-30-08 08:27 AM   #45 
  - I agree with your post....(except I'm a Hillary supporter)  cricket08   May-30-08 08:29 AM   #47 
  - This guys a nut-case  BigDDem   May-30-08 08:29 AM   #49 
  - I didn't think that was funny at all. I don't like it when pastors from the right or left  slinkerwink   May-30-08 08:30 AM   #50 
  - Well said. Thank you from another Obama supporter  fed_up_mother   May-30-08 08:30 AM   #51 
  - Why is it Obama's church only? What about the likes of Manning or Hagee or Parsley?  NotThisTime   May-30-08 08:30 AM   #52 
  - What is hate speech?  genna   May-30-08 08:33 AM   #57 
  - You guys don't get it - What was really funny was that he is a priest  Jersey Devil   May-30-08 08:35 AM   #61 
  - I thought he looked more like a stand-up comic than a priest.  Lisa0825   May-30-08 09:08 AM   #86 
  - Bias crimes are back up in Crown Heights. Apparently, it doesn't  Fredda Weinberg   May-30-08 08:36 AM   #64 
  - I 100% agree with the OP, BUT  Inuca   May-30-08 08:44 AM   #76 
     - Hate crimes. Violence for the ethnic pride ... and you should hear  Fredda Weinberg   May-30-08 08:58 AM   #81 
  - Preachers say anything. You can't stop them. We see that from some of the most popular Televangelist  BrentTaylor   May-30-08 08:37 AM   #66 
  - Agree, gross and inappropriate  Inuca   May-30-08 08:38 AM   #67 
  - Damn straight- truly disgusting and extremely counter-productive  npincus   May-30-08 08:40 AM   #71 
  - More BS outrage!  ProSense   May-30-08 08:42 AM   #73 
  - I don't think it's BS ProSense  Inuca   May-30-08 08:49 AM   #80 
  - No, it's BS  ProSense   May-30-08 09:00 AM   #82 
     - I agree with what you say here  Inuca   May-30-08 09:14 AM   #89 
     - I propose a preacher ceasefire. McCain & friends can't complain about Obama's preachers  beachmom   May-30-08 10:15 AM   #119 
  - Well the Hillary campaign is hypocritical as usual. BUT, what the priest  beachmom   May-30-08 10:12 AM   #113 
  - Sen. Obama just needs to highlight that this is a past we must progress from..  barack the house   May-30-08 09:14 AM   #88 
  - Two communities trying to reach an understanding when there is a great deal of mistrust  genna   May-30-08 09:33 AM   #97 
  - Okay, I've obviously been under a rock. What is this about? Link?  helderheid   May-30-08 09:17 AM   #91 
  - Just another bigot who campaigned for Obama in the pews of Obama's church...  Marrah_G   May-30-08 09:45 AM   #102 
     - TRYING, I am convinced. n/t  demokatgurrl   May-30-08 10:57 AM   #137 
  - Father Pflegler has done more for social justice then nearly everyone  izzybeans   May-30-08 09:26 AM   #94 
  - what izzybeans said  genna   May-30-08 09:35 AM   #98 
  - Here here !  Raineyb   May-30-08 10:46 AM   #128 
  - Can we please pause for a minute . . .  nichomachus   May-30-08 09:32 AM   #96 
  - what nichomachus said  genna   May-30-08 09:36 AM   #99 
  - Thank you.  glitch   May-30-08 09:47 AM   #103 
  - I guess Hillary's semi-secret right-wing cult has no video  janet118   May-30-08 10:12 AM   #115 
  - Is it on the boob toob? Any video?  redqueen   May-30-08 10:13 AM   #117 
  - Actually, it reminded me of Clinton's mocking of Obama  janet118   May-30-08 09:40 AM   #100 
  - Let's get unified. The sky will open. The light will come down. Celestial choirs will come down.  IndyOp   May-30-08 09:48 AM   #104 
  - Yeah, that's the one  janet118   May-30-08 09:51 AM   #105 
  - Maybe a similar mocking tone  Tom Rinaldo   May-30-08 10:40 AM   #126 
  - Except that OBAMA DIDN'T SAY IT... you keep glossing over that point  scheming daemons   May-30-08 01:56 PM   #158 
     - I'm not glossing over that point. I agree with you, Others here pointed out a similarity  Tom Rinaldo   May-30-08 03:18 PM   #162 
  - Good point.  helderheid   May-30-08 10:48 AM   #130 
  - I agree  Blue_Roses   May-30-08 09:42 AM   #101 
  - i agree....nice Oba Linclon pic you got there ;)  ElsewheresDaughter   May-30-08 10:08 AM   #111 
  - I'm LMFAO - a true performer. 5 Stars! He's both brusque and spot on! eom  ShortnFiery   May-30-08 10:13 AM   #116 
  - I couldn't agree more.  tandot   May-30-08 10:14 AM   #118 
  - I thought this priest remarks were disgusting and uncalled for.  azmouse   May-30-08 10:59 AM   #139 
  - I'm with you on that.  reflection   May-30-08 11:58 AM   #146 
  - Okay, I finally saw the video  Raineyb   May-30-08 11:48 AM   #143 
  - That's what Harold Ickes' team wanted you to feel. They are desperate.  Overseas   May-30-08 11:51 AM   #144 
  - Can Obama's stance that he had no idea what was going on in his church continue to be operative?  2rth2pwr   May-30-08 11:54 AM   #145 
  - Doesn't matter -- Desperate Obama bashing will continue  Overseas   May-30-08 12:12 PM   #150 
  - Pfleger is not a member of Obama's church. Obama doesn't clear the text of sermons  scheming daemons   May-30-08 01:58 PM   #159 
  - Why is what is going on in his church relevant at all to the campaign?  totodeinhere   May-30-08 04:28 PM   #164 
  - All is Vanity.  dchill   May-30-08 12:06 PM   #148 
  - Pfleger just uttered what right-wing talk radio says about Hillary every day.....  scheming daemons   May-30-08 01:49 PM   #157 
  - it's why religion shouldn't even be pondered in the election arena  wowimthere   May-30-08 02:01 PM   #160 

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