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  -Screw Bowing Out: If Hillary Takes The Popular Vote We Take The Nomination Austinitis  May-28-08 02:02 PM   #0 
  - Not even close  lisa58   May-28-08 02:03 PM   #1 
  - Great Gallup Poll article you linked......  Mike L   May-28-08 02:20 PM   #57 
  - You don't understand politics at all. "Far left" are, you know, MAOISTS and STALINISTS.  Zhade   May-28-08 11:07 PM   #177 
  - ooooooooooooooooooookay.  Mezzo   May-28-08 10:21 PM   #171 
  - Way to ignore all the caucus states.  anonymous171   May-28-08 02:03 PM   #2 
  - were we not already told that caucuses don't count long ago?  JVS   May-28-08 02:06 PM   #13 
  - Any state that Hillary didn't win doesn't count. That's Hillaryland thinking for you....  PoliticalAmazon   May-28-08 02:33 PM   #76 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   May-28-08 02:36 PM   #84 
     - "Hillary Bitch" ... nice.  dbaker41   May-28-08 02:57 PM   #105 
     - Not necessary  uberllama42   May-28-08 03:14 PM   #113 
     - Pathetic! n/t  MaineDem   May-28-08 03:15 PM   #115 
  - exactly.  dana_b   May-28-08 06:51 PM   #155 
  - way to ignore florida and michigan while giving a repig in texas more of a say than a dem who stood  Mezzo   May-28-08 10:22 PM   #172 
  - I see there was another conference call. The popular vote is pointless.  Kittycat   May-28-08 02:04 PM   #3 
  - See the OP.  Austinitis   May-28-08 02:04 PM   #8 
  - The popular vote is pointless. Obama already won the popularly elected delegates.  Occam Bandage   May-28-08 02:05 PM   #11 
     - Screw That. I don't see any reason not to force super-delegates to pick  Austinitis   May-28-08 02:06 PM   #18 
        - Bullying techniques like that have backfired so far for Team Clinton. What makes you think  Occam Bandage   May-28-08 02:07 PM   #21 
        - Wrong, Playing tough for the last three months has  Austinitis   May-28-08 02:09 PM   #27 
           - Wrong? How many net supers has her bully tactics gained her? What makes you think  Occam Bandage   May-28-08 02:11 PM   #35 
           - How many have deserted her? Like 5? And that was while Obama had the popular vote...  Austinitis   May-28-08 02:12 PM   #42 
              - How many have been endorsing her? Supers are her last hope, and they're going for Obama en masse.  Occam Bandage   May-28-08 02:13 PM   #43 
                 - No, the popular vote is what will change it.  Austinitis   May-28-08 02:20 PM   #58 
                    - You think the sd's are going to Obama because...  lisa58   May-28-08 02:23 PM   #61 
                    - Well, given that they've claimed "She's winning (made-up metric)" for months, and the SDs haven't  Occam Bandage   May-28-08 02:28 PM   #68 
                    - If your hope is that you'll be able to convince superdelegates to discount caucus states,  Occam Bandage   May-28-08 02:27 PM   #66 
                    - LMAO Delusional....lawd...so sad  Doityourself   May-28-08 10:33 PM   #173 
           - She has testicles?  Erin Elizabeth   May-28-08 02:33 PM   #77 
           - I know....eeeeewwwwww! n/t  yellerpup   May-28-08 04:12 PM   #140 
           - Huh?  HooptieWagon   May-28-08 08:39 PM   #166 
           - Baaahahahahaha!  Blue-Jay   May-28-08 02:36 PM   #83 
        - You can't force a superdelegate to pick anyone....  lisa58   May-28-08 02:18 PM   #51 
        - Oh....YOU don't see any reason  Voltaire   May-28-08 02:32 PM   #73 
        - bwahahaha. You and an army of hillfans with pots and pans?  cali   May-28-08 03:21 PM   #119 
        - The Delegates *HAVE* been picking.... 148 to 19 since Feb 5th... she's done....  scheming daemons   May-28-08 03:29 PM   #122 
        - You cant force a superdelegates to do a damn thing.  tekisui   May-28-08 03:31 PM   #124 
        - Do you see any reason to ignore caucus states in your...  dchill   May-28-08 03:40 PM   #127 
  - Ignore causus states, ignore Michigan Obama supporters who had no choice...but count Puerto Rico!!!!  charles t   May-28-08 03:25 PM   #120 
  - You're delusional.  gcomeau   May-28-08 02:04 PM   #4 
  - and we can hop in santa's sleigh with the easter bunny and pinnochio and drink tea in a giant shoe..  dionysus   May-28-08 02:04 PM   #5 
  - See you in Denver than  Jake3463   May-28-08 02:04 PM   #6 
  - Great. We'll work on a popular-vote system for 2012. In the mean time, Obama is the 2008 nominee.  Occam Bandage   May-28-08 02:04 PM   #7 
  - Screw That. I don't see any reason not to force super-delegates to pick  Austinitis   May-28-08 02:06 PM   #12 
     - Trying to bully delegates into overturning the primary/caucus results won't fly any more  Occam Bandage   May-28-08 02:09 PM   #28 
     - you are delusional, but in a cute, entertaining sort of way.  Lerkfish   May-28-08 02:10 PM   #33 
     - Fail. Obama is winning the nomination, he's not stealing it.  FSogol   May-28-08 02:12 PM   #40 
     - I'd say the guys trying to change the rules after the game's been played  Occam Bandage   May-28-08 02:16 PM   #49 
        - Same here. But I politely avoided saying that. The OP won't see the distinction.  FSogol   May-28-08 02:26 PM   #65 
     - You can't FORCE superdelegates to do anything.  Lucky 13   May-28-08 03:06 PM   #110 
     - That's a nice coercive & divisive idea, but who's going to do it?  Voice for Peace   May-28-08 03:43 PM   #128 
     - Well, they're going to yell very loudly, and bang very hard on their pots and pans,  Occam Bandage   May-28-08 03:46 PM   #131 
        - I have a recurring nightmare of an insane mob coming to my front door  Voice for Peace   May-28-08 03:58 PM   #135 
     - Another Hillaryland fantasy ...  NanceGreggs   May-28-08 04:02 PM   #136 
  - Two words: DELEGATE COUNT and Hillary takes zip, nada, goose-egg.  AtomicKitten   May-28-08 02:05 PM   #9 
  - Ignoring the caucus states = epic fail.  Arrowhead2k1   May-28-08 02:05 PM   #10 
  - Any popular-vote "metric" is an enormous fuck-you to caucus states.  Occam Bandage   May-28-08 02:06 PM   #15 
  - Any delegate "metric" is a fuck-you to anyone in any other state.  Austinitis   May-28-08 02:07 PM   #20 
     - Each state is given influence according to its population. Each state can choose  Occam Bandage   May-28-08 02:08 PM   #26 
     - So what if states choose? If they chose  Austinitis   May-28-08 02:20 PM   #55 
        - Then lobby all those states to change their system.  billyoc   May-28-08 02:30 PM   #71 
        - It doesn't really matter whether you feel the need to do anything.  Occam Bandage   May-28-08 02:34 PM   #81 
     - The "delegate metric" is the ONLY metric that matters. Right there in the DNC rules.  scheming daemons   May-28-08 03:29 PM   #123 
  - As a resident of one of the caucus states, I'd like to ask Hilary why  SeattleGirl   May-28-08 02:07 PM   #22 
  - Give it up. Hillary WILL NOT be the nominee  BrentTaylor   May-28-08 02:06 PM   #14 
  - only with clinton math  Lerkfish   May-28-08 02:06 PM   #16 
  - Hillary still wont have the popular vote total after PR  DJ13   May-28-08 02:06 PM   #17 
  - She has it now.  bamalib   May-28-08 08:00 PM   #161 
     - Not according to her hubby...guess he missed the "bullshit them" memo  Doityourself   May-28-08 10:35 PM   #174 
     - Link? Proof? Back up your statement.  HawkeyeX   May-28-08 11:12 PM   #178 
  - Thank you (NOT) for disenfranchising all of the caucus states  rox63   May-28-08 02:07 PM   #19 
  - Thank YOU (NOT) for disenfranchising MI and FL.  Tyler Durden   May-28-08 02:10 PM   #32 
     - Actually he would probably win in MI.  anonymous171   May-28-08 02:11 PM   #34 
     - Obama still wins the delegate count if MI and FL were fully seated  rox63   May-28-08 02:19 PM   #54 
     - Obama didn't "lose" those states.  yellerpup   May-28-08 04:18 PM   #143 
  - Hey, 1 through 4: why not?  Tyler Durden   May-28-08 02:07 PM   #23 
  - Another Hillabongfest thread  newmajority   May-28-08 02:08 PM   #24 
  - Do you really even care that much? Jeez, get over it. It's not like she's dead, she just didn't win  malik flavors   May-28-08 02:08 PM   #25 
  - Clinton supporters only care about rules when they're in their favor....  BlooInBloo   May-28-08 02:09 PM   #29 
  - Like Obama Supporters only care because they LOST there.  Tyler Durden   May-28-08 02:11 PM   #36 
     - Hillary agreed as well.  anonymous171   May-28-08 02:12 PM   #39 
  - YOU CANNOT DISCOUNT CAUCUS STATES!!!!!!  LSK   May-28-08 02:09 PM   #30 
  - I agree and if the caucus states  DeschutesRiver   May-28-08 02:25 PM   #63 
  - I agree 100%, but no matter how big or BOLD you type it - some will never see it.  RiverStone   May-28-08 02:42 PM   #86 
  - Then you would be proposing a coup and installing ....  nomaco-10   May-28-08 02:09 PM   #31 
  - Pretty much. They've declared a new standard of victory after the fact,  Occam Bandage   May-28-08 02:11 PM   #38 
  - So you want to change the rules of the Democratic Party... how surprising...  zulchzulu   May-28-08 02:11 PM   #37 
  - So you want to count the popular vote in Puerto Rico which doesn't even VOTE in the GE but not the  jenmito   May-28-08 02:12 PM   #41 
  - I blame hillary for all this demented bullshit that's coming ...  nomaco-10   May-28-08 02:18 PM   #52 
     - So do I...  jenmito   May-28-08 02:25 PM   #64 
  - Translation: I WANT PRESIDENT MCSAMEASBUSH!!  Edgewater_Joe   May-28-08 02:13 PM   #44 
  - You will get him with BO as the nominee. McCain will trounce Obama. em  Mike L   May-28-08 02:49 PM   #98 
     - You will get him with HRC as the nominee. McCain will trounce HRC. em  rosebud57   May-28-08 03:49 PM   #133 
     - I'll Bet You Anything You Want, Bee-Yatch  Edgewater_Joe   May-28-08 11:00 PM   #176 
  - Freaky Deaky  IWantAnyDem   May-28-08 02:13 PM   #45 
  - good call. let's make it a movement.  Teaser   May-28-08 02:15 PM   #47 
     - I'll do so later this evening  IWantAnyDem   May-28-08 02:16 PM   #48 
  - FAIL  Teaser   May-28-08 02:14 PM   #46 
  - Either you're getting conned, or you're trying to con someone.  rucky   May-28-08 02:17 PM   #50 
  - The popular vote is a MYTH  GihrenZabi   May-28-08 02:19 PM   #53 
  - Gallup Poll confirms it. They should know.  Mike L   May-28-08 02:24 PM   #62 
  - Exactly!  jenmito   May-28-08 03:14 PM   #112 
  - Right on time after the Hill supporters get the "National Primary Vote" memo  CakeGrrl   May-28-08 02:20 PM   #56 
  - she definitely will win the Shmopular Vote....  dmsRoar   May-28-08 02:21 PM   #59 
  - Here's what's really going to happen, colitis:  Bread and Circus   May-28-08 02:22 PM   #60 
  - You want her to be the kind of person who gets to the very end  Erin Elizabeth   May-28-08 02:28 PM   #67 
  - K&R  cricket08   May-28-08 02:30 PM   #69 
  - Kinda like saying that the team with the most yardage wins the football game.  Tierra_y_Libertad   May-28-08 02:30 PM   #70 
  - Never happen. The rules are going to be followed. Only by breaking rules can Hillary win?  votesomemore   May-28-08 02:31 PM   #72 
  - Great Post....  cricket08   May-28-08 02:32 PM   #74 
  - for the delusional  skooooo   May-28-08 02:33 PM   #79 
  - Sorry you can't just change the rules in the middle of the game.  skooooo   May-28-08 02:32 PM   #75 
  - and the Cubs are going to win the World Series.  CanonRay   May-28-08 02:33 PM   #78 
  - Yeeeeeaaahhhh No.  Oregonian   May-28-08 02:34 PM   #80 
  - Repeat after me: There IS no popular vote. It's DELEGATES that count...  truebrit71   May-28-08 02:35 PM   #82 
  - What does it make Hillary that she can't beat the "weak" candidate?  casus belli   May-28-08 02:39 PM   #85 
  - Yeah, but Obama only beat her because black people voted for him.  Occam Bandage   May-28-08 02:43 PM   #87 
     - Right, I keep forgetting that. Thanks. :) n/t  casus belli   May-28-08 02:49 PM   #97 
  - You and your candidate agreed to the terms of the primaries before they started.  AZBlue   May-28-08 02:43 PM   #88 
  - LOL Puerto Rico. Hillary's Firewall  CaptJasHook   May-28-08 02:44 PM   #89 
  - Obama can't carry Puerto Rico in the general election!  Occam Bandage   May-28-08 02:44 PM   #90 
     - And your point is......  CaptJasHook   May-28-08 02:55 PM   #103 
  - If by 'we' you mean Obama, I agree.  lojasmo   May-28-08 02:45 PM   #91 
  - and how is Puerto Rico expected to go in the GE? nt  NCevilDUer   May-28-08 02:46 PM   #92 
  - The delegate numbers won't change no matter how bad you want  Sentinel Chicken   May-28-08 02:46 PM   #93 
  - Sorry,  ROakes1019   May-28-08 02:47 PM   #94 
  - Check my new sig!  americanstranger   May-28-08 02:48 PM   #95 
  - You take it HOW?  bunnies   May-28-08 02:48 PM   # 
  - Stupid.  Blue-Jay   May-28-08 02:48 PM   #96 
  - Why is Hellary so against a black man being President? I think we all know the answer.  MadAndy   May-28-08 02:51 PM   #99 
  - The invisible man is now visible  Erin Elizabeth   May-28-08 02:53 PM   #100 
  - A most Epic FAIL  socordsx   May-28-08 02:53 PM   #101 
  - I stopped reading before I even got the end of the title  jzodda   May-28-08 02:54 PM   #102 
  - He won, she lost. GET OVER IT. n/t.  apocalypsehow   May-28-08 02:56 PM   #104 
  - Why typed it in wrong,  Bright Eyes   May-28-08 02:59 PM   #106 
  - OMG! SHE IS NOT WINNING THE POPULAR VOTE!!!  cui bono   May-28-08 03:04 PM   #107 
  - Let this bullshit propaganda sink.  formercia   May-28-08 03:05 PM   #108 
  - So caucuses shouldn't count and we should abandon the same primary system that elected her husband?  Lucky 13   May-28-08 03:05 PM   #109 
  - 12-stepping in 2013: "Hi, my name is Austinitis and I'm a Hillary supporter." "Hi, Austinitis"  nichomachus   May-28-08 03:09 PM   #111 
  - There is no freakin' popular vote  MaineDem   May-28-08 03:15 PM   #114 
  - Her own campaign advisor VOTED FOR the rules stripping Michigan & Florida  Paint It Black   May-28-08 03:18 PM   #116 
  - You need to make 10 or 20 more posts on this topic.  Vinca   May-28-08 03:19 PM   #117 
  - Estimates.  Austinitis   May-28-08 03:20 PM   #118 
     - Estimates? Okay. Let's estimate them on the high side for Obama  Vinca   May-28-08 03:28 PM   #121 
  - carrying on hurts Obama's prospects in the fall, I say "so what?"  endarkenment   May-28-08 03:32 PM   #125 
  - I think it's obvious by now that they simply don't care if the Republicans control the WH.  Occam Bandage   May-28-08 03:39 PM   #126 
  - If all 50 states had open primaries only and divided their delegates the exact same way  rocknation   May-28-08 03:44 PM   #129 
  - Yeah! Screw the rules, the math and all of that fuck it! Let her have it, it's her time  ericgtr   May-28-08 03:45 PM   #130 
  - Uh, how about 'No'? n/t  RichardRay   May-28-08 03:47 PM   #132 
  - If there was a popular vote, there would be no caucus states, therefore the  slinkerwink   May-28-08 03:49 PM   #134 
  - If Democrats elected by popular vote, and there was an actual reliable  wienerdoggie   May-28-08 04:04 PM   #137 
  - If Popular Vote counted Obama would have campaigned differently  wileedog   May-28-08 04:09 PM   #139 
     - Yep. This whole argument is asinine. It's based on fantasy.  wienerdoggie   May-28-08 04:13 PM   #141 
     - If it were 'most yards', nobody would ever punt.  Occam Bandage   May-28-08 05:48 PM   #147 
     - no state would have a caucus if popular vote was what mattered.  hfojvt   May-29-08 03:08 AM   #181 
  - That the popular vote tally isn't the metric used by the DNC to award the nomination.  ellisonz   May-28-08 04:09 PM   #138 
  - That's all that matters really.  jefferson_dem   May-28-08 04:14 PM   #142 
  - Whimsical fantasy. Good luck.  papapi   May-28-08 04:19 PM   #144 
  - I have to admit her new theme song is PERFECT!  zulchzulu   May-28-08 04:19 PM   #145 
  - Ahm, did anyone ever discuss Santa Claus with you  TayTay   May-28-08 09:32 PM   #169 
  - The only way Hillary can win the popular vote is by counting a coup style win where she was the only  Wolsh   May-28-08 04:21 PM   #146 
  - Keep it up to the convention and BOTH Hillary and Obama lose the GE, McCain is in GE mode already  ShadowLiberal   May-28-08 05:53 PM   #148 
  - If this is what you believe, you should work politically to change the rules accordingly.  indie_ana_500   May-28-08 05:55 PM   #149 
  - Walter Mitty strikes again  sniffa   May-28-08 05:58 PM   #150 
  - the "will of the people" who happen to live in states with primaries  onenote   May-28-08 05:58 PM   #151 
  - Not true at all. Austin ain't stupid. Austin don't think you're stupid. Austin, rather, is under  Occam Bandage   May-28-08 06:00 PM   #152 
  - 2012. Not 2008.  Buzz Clik   May-28-08 06:01 PM   #153 
  - SDs from: IA, AL, CO, ID, KS, MN, ND, NE, WA, ME, HI, WY  onenote   May-28-08 06:09 PM   #154 
  - What is the point?  quaker bill   May-28-08 06:59 PM   #156 
  - Sorry PR, but non-voters don't count as voters..failly-fail  ChimpersMcSmirkers   May-28-08 07:29 PM   #157 
  - hahahaha ha...  Elrond Hubbard   May-28-08 07:32 PM   #158 
  - Non-state Puerto Rico deciding who the nominee is? Are you on crack?  stevietheman   May-28-08 07:42 PM   #159 
  - Even after Puerto Rico, she won't catch up in the popular vote...  backscatter712   May-28-08 07:48 PM   #160 
  - Then this question shouldn't be too difficult to answer.  WIllo   May-28-08 08:12 PM   #162 
  - The popular vote DOES NOT EXIST IN THE PRIMARY ELECTION. It's the fucking delegates.  slinkerwink   May-28-08 08:14 PM   #163 
  - That's right ... it IS the delegates in the PRIMARY  janetblond   May-28-08 08:21 PM   #164 
  - Next time...we just let them pick  JoFerret   May-28-08 09:56 PM   #170 
  - "Rasmussen Reports believes the race is over and that Barack Obama will be the nominee "  Douglas Carpenter   May-28-08 08:23 PM   #165 
  - Shame its a delegate race that they both were aware of. Delegates to make small states count.  barack the house   May-28-08 08:59 PM   #167 
  - I have a question.  Blondiegrrl   May-28-08 09:08 PM   #168 
  - SIX MORE DAYS n/t  livingmadness   May-28-08 10:42 PM   #175 
  - The individual with the most delegates Wins !  LibertyorDeath   May-29-08 12:23 AM   #179 
  - The supers are going to defect to Clinton over Puerto Rico?  cemaphonic   May-29-08 03:00 AM   #180 
 

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