Catherina
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Tue May-27-08 09:53 PM
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| 73. Your post shows ignorance of what Primaries are about |
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Edited on Tue May-27-08 10:15 PM by Catherina
Primaries are not an election. Get that out of your head.
The Democratic and Republican parties have the right to run whatever candidate it wants without any input from voters. There's NO provision for Primaries or political parties in the Constitution. It used to be Congressmen just nominated whoever they preferred from their respective parties to run for President.
Both parties are well within their right to just TELL us who the candidate is going to be without soliciting our input. That's exactly what the Republicans did last election. They didn't even have primaries, Bush was the appointed nominee.
The sooner people understand that, the better off we'll be. If you don't like the system and want to change it, it usually helps to understand what the facts are.
To address your point about caucuses
In order to find the best possible nominee, the Democratic Party consults a combination of ordinary normally lazy voters who get their news from the MSM AND Activists. Caucuses are their way of telling how the hard-working activists who've been paying attention to the issues and put their energy where their vote is are willing to work hard for.
They have Primary elections and caucuses so they can get a good picture before they invest for the kill.
I'm sure you can fill in all the dots to understand why this system makes the MOST sense for the party.
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Turnout in primaries: 20%...turnout in caucuses: 5%. New report! |
andres hunter |
May-27-08 08:21 PM |
#0 |

Wow. Just wow! |
sniffa |
May-27-08 08:22 PM |
#1 |
 
The caucuses are rigged by unions against Hillary. |
nerovitch |
May-27-08 08:54 PM |
#40 |

why do you keep saying on various threads that Obama is bad but should be VP? nt |
JoeIsOneOfUs |
May-27-08 09:02 PM |
#43 |
 
He's socking it to ya |
sniffa |
May-27-08 09:03 PM |
#44 |

Didn't Clinton start out with most of the union support? |
democrattotheend |
May-27-08 09:37 PM |
#64 |

I second that! n/t |
Auntie Bush |
May-27-08 09:41 PM |
#67 |

Wow, the idiocy in this thread alone... |
TwoSparkles |
May-27-08 10:12 PM |
#76 |

Keep dreaming. The race is over. Hillary didn't organize. She lost. Deal with it. |
RBInMaine |
May-27-08 10:34 PM |
#88 |

Hillary didn't win. Must be rigged. Must throw out results. |
jefferson_dem |
May-27-08 10:57 PM |
#90 |

Hey, even Bill is saying that Obama's victory is a "cover-up." |
VolcanoJen |
May-27-08 11:20 PM |
#97 |

Talkleft is a pro-Hillary biased site |
IWantAnyDem |
May-27-08 08:22 PM |
#2 |
 
Talkleft is reporting the facts. |
NJSecularist |
May-27-08 08:27 PM |
#13 |
  
I'll never know |
IWantAnyDem |
May-27-08 08:31 PM |
#18 |
   
You have read ONLY lies? |
LisaM |
May-27-08 08:35 PM |
#25 |
   
Talk Left was certainly correct about the fake case against the Duke students. |
pnwmom |
May-27-08 09:25 PM |
#56 |
  
It is kind of refreshing to know that some of the facts slant towards Hillary |
hendo |
May-27-08 09:09 PM |
#46 |
   
Washington - Hillary did far better in the primaries |
LisaM |
May-27-08 09:14 PM |
#47 |
  
There is no such thing as a Washington State Democratic Presidential Primary. |
newmajority |
May-27-08 10:19 PM |
#80 |
  
The "primaries count, caucuses don't" meme has long been discredited, |
Ken Burch |
May-27-08 10:59 PM |
#92 |
 
exactly. |
mod mom |
May-27-08 09:35 PM |
#61 |
 
Armando.. is that you? How'd the Conference Call go? This the latest TPM ? (troll) |
K Gardner |
May-27-08 09:36 PM |
#62 |
 
You mean a non-biased place like Countdown and Hardball? |
Auntie Bush |
May-27-08 09:44 PM |
#70 |

I think all states should have primaries starting in 2012... |
mckeown1128 |
May-27-08 08:23 PM |
#3 |
 
I agree on all primaries. But you're wrong to say |
pnwmom |
May-27-08 09:20 PM |
#50 |

Ohh stop spinning... |
mckeown1128 |
May-27-08 11:11 PM |
#95 |

Caucuses are unfair, but Clinton should have been prepared |
hnmnf |
May-27-08 08:23 PM |
#4 |
 
no no no... it's " Hi Proud2BPiehole_munster " nt |
mckeown1128 |
May-27-08 08:25 PM |
#8 |

lol, I thought they all looked familiar. |
billyoc |
May-27-08 08:28 PM |
#14 |

Welcom to DU |
Jake3463 |
May-27-08 08:23 PM |
#5 |
 
And to add to Jake's question: Who is the final model of cylon in the opera house? |
Liberal Veteran |
May-27-08 08:27 PM |
#11 |
  
Gaeta |
Jake3463 |
May-27-08 08:34 PM |
#22 |
 
Nah. To easy. I'm hoping for Ellen Tigh. |
Liberal Veteran |
May-27-08 08:36 PM |
#27 |
 
or Admiral Cain |
Jake3463 |
May-27-08 08:38 PM |
#29 |
 
They see the face of their one true God. |
PM7nj |
May-27-08 08:29 PM |
# |
  
I KNEW IT! Hillary is the final cylon! |
Liberal Veteran |
May-27-08 08:33 PM |
#21 |
 
See? And this is why we must destroy the resurection ship |
Moochy |
May-27-08 09:22 PM |
#53 |

First of all, Talk Left is very biased source. |
PM7nj |
May-27-08 08:24 PM |
#6 |

Somebody ought to have visited Washington State |
MikeNearMcChord |
May-27-08 08:24 PM |
#7 |
 
And there were still more people who voted in the primary |
LisaM |
May-27-08 08:30 PM |
#16 |
  
Please quit spreading this lie |
newmajority |
May-27-08 10:23 PM |
#81 |
 
There was, Obama won |
KellyW |
May-27-08 11:18 PM |
#96 |
 
I live in WA state and I loathe the caucus system. |
pnwmom |
May-27-08 09:17 PM |
#48 |

At least you didn't have to... |
stillcool47 |
May-27-08 09:20 PM |
#51 |
 
Voting in the primary here was quick. Nobody had to wait in line for several |
pnwmom |
May-27-08 09:44 PM |
#68 |

You are 100% correct! Caucuses have got to go by the next election! |
Auntie Bush |
May-27-08 09:52 PM |
#72 |

Who won the primaries in Ohio and Pennsylvania? |
newmajority |
May-27-08 10:28 PM |
#82 |

The rules were known in advance to all this time |
Tom Rinaldo |
May-27-08 08:25 PM |
#9 |

Well I can't speak for what is there for other states but in Washington |
LisaM |
May-27-08 08:26 PM |
#10 |

It's a DAMNED SHAME that poor Hillary was not informed of all those |
SoCalDem |
May-27-08 08:27 PM |
#12 |
 
I know. She must have hated pop quizes in school. |
Liberal Veteran |
May-27-08 08:34 PM |
#24 |
  
I had a college professor who was BRUTAL |
SoCalDem |
May-27-08 08:37 PM |
#28 |
 
Why didn't she GOOGLE IT? I would have. |
rosebud57 |
May-27-08 08:45 PM |
#34 |
 
This isn't about Hillary, at least not for me. It's about giving everyone |
pnwmom |
May-27-08 09:48 PM |
#71 |

Squish It! |
Moochy |
May-27-08 08:29 PM |
#15 |

Hello. |
bigwillq |
May-27-08 08:30 PM |
#17 |

While You Were Sleeping |
ProSense |
May-27-08 08:31 PM |
#19 |

Did anyone complain about Caucuses when Billy was running..how about when Hilly was inevitable? |
Doityourself |
May-27-08 08:32 PM |
#20 |
 
yes-me |
KellyW |
May-27-08 11:29 PM |
#98 |

I meant someone important.. |
Doityourself |
May-27-08 11:31 PM |
#99 |

Oh 12 posts..lol and starting trouble.. Ohhhh Brick Pizza in the oven! |
Doityourself |
May-27-08 08:34 PM |
#23 |
 
I guess the money is good. |
Endangered Specie |
May-27-08 08:40 PM |
#31 |

In three primaries that occurred in states that also had caucuses... |
Secret_Society |
May-27-08 08:35 PM |
#26 |

I'm suprised they are still paying... |
Endangered Specie |
May-27-08 08:40 PM |
#30 |

I'll SAY IT AGAIN!! Less = MORE to Obama and his peep! |
indimuse |
May-27-08 08:42 PM |
#32 |
 
I'll SAY IT AGAIN!! Rules mean Zero to Clinton and her peep! |
rosebud57 |
May-27-08 08:48 PM |
#35 |

SYATC! |
indimuse |
May-27-08 08:51 PM |
#38 |

K&R!! |
indimuse |
May-27-08 08:45 PM |
#33 |
 
Hillary is the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful human being I've ever known in my life. |
TahitiNut |
May-27-08 09:37 PM |
#65 |

Uncredentialed |
indimuse |
May-27-08 08:49 PM |
#36 |

This is Hillary propaganda.... |
TwoSparkles |
May-27-08 08:50 PM |
#37 |
 
I think of Iowa as the gold standard for caucuses |
Tom Rinaldo |
May-27-08 08:53 PM |
#39 |
  
We're one of the few that matter cycle after cycle. |
BalancedGoat |
May-27-08 09:28 PM |
#59 |
  
The thing that is remarkable... |
BalancedGoat |
May-27-08 11:00 PM |
#93 |
 
Only 4% less than the average for primaries. |
BalancedGoat |
May-27-08 09:26 PM |
#57 |
 
No, it isn't. I've hated caucuses since I went to my first, 28 years ago. |
pnwmom |
May-27-08 10:07 PM |
#74 |

So? |
AldebTX |
May-27-08 08:58 PM |
#41 |
 
I thought the caucus in Washington state was a sham |
LisaM |
May-27-08 09:09 PM |
#45 |
  
are you in touch with your.. |
stillcool47 |
May-27-08 09:34 PM |
#60 |
   
The voters of the state strongly approved an initiative to choose the nominee |
pnwmom |
May-27-08 10:18 PM |
#79 |
  
So are you saying.. |
stillcool47 |
May-27-08 10:50 PM |
#89 |
   
The voters should have the right to decide, not the party insiders. |
pnwmom |
May-28-08 12:04 AM |
#101 |
  
I doubt that very much... |
stillcool47 |
May-28-08 12:15 AM |
#104 |
  
If the voters in a state want a primary... |
BalancedGoat |
May-27-08 11:08 PM |
#94 |
  
Do you have an initiative process? If you did, and the voters chose to have |
pnwmom |
May-28-08 12:09 AM |
#103 |
  
One of my friends said she was there when a twenty-something woman |
pnwmom |
May-27-08 10:14 PM |
#77 |
 
Wrong. Many people in caucus states have been trying to end them for YEARS. |
pnwmom |
May-27-08 10:11 PM |
#75 |

400% - wow, that's some advanced math there. nt |
JoeIsOneOfUs |
May-27-08 09:01 PM |
#42 |

Hillary has a hard time playing by the rules. |
papapi |
May-27-08 09:17 PM |
#49 |

If caucuses are supposedly so unfair |
rox63 |
May-27-08 09:20 PM |
#52 |

Pretty amazing then how strong the caucuses are by those numbers |
Gore1FL |
May-27-08 09:24 PM |
#54 |
 
It has to do with elasticity of voting. Yeah, I made up a term. |
Zynx |
May-27-08 09:36 PM |
#63 |

Yeah, we know. Hillary knew, too. |
ocelot |
May-27-08 09:25 PM |
#55 |

Strange how this all of a sudden became a problem on Feb. 5 |
FredScuttle |
May-27-08 09:28 PM |
#58 |

. |
baldguy |
May-27-08 09:38 PM |
#66 |

Hi mods! |
Moochy |
May-27-08 09:44 PM |
#69 |

Your post shows ignorance of what Primaries are about |
Catherina |
May-27-08 09:53 PM |
#73 |

Now why don't you go bring me the hard evidence of every vote cast in Ohio and Pennsylvania |
newmajority |
May-27-08 10:15 PM |
#78 |

jackson_dem, dat ya? |
HawkeyeX |
May-27-08 10:28 PM |
#83 |
 
Was...Andres is no logner with us |
thewiseguy |
May-27-08 10:30 PM |
#84 |

Such a shame. And after the lovely welcome party he got as reinforcement n/t |
Catherina |
May-27-08 10:58 PM |
#91 |

you might ask then, why does the party like caucuses? |
Hamlette |
May-27-08 10:31 PM |
#85 |

I don't believe anything coming from Hillary or her supporters at this point. |
NormaR |
May-27-08 10:32 PM |
#86 |

THROW THE RULES IN THE TOILET BECAUSE YOU LOST! GOOD PLAN!!!!!!! |
NormaR |
May-27-08 10:33 PM |
#87 |

What is GE turnout in caucus states vs primary states? |
HooptieWagon |
May-27-08 11:41 PM |
#100 |

Who gives a flying fuck. |
Bread and Circus |
May-28-08 12:08 AM |
#102 |

Locking |
The Magistrate |
May-28-08 12:19 AM |
#105 |