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73. Your post shows ignorance of what Primaries are about
Edited on Tue May-27-08 10:15 PM by Catherina
Primaries are not an election. Get that out of your head.

The Democratic and Republican parties have the right to run whatever candidate it wants without any input from voters. There's NO provision for Primaries or political parties in the Constitution. It used to be Congressmen just nominated whoever they preferred from their respective parties to run for President.

Both parties are well within their right to just TELL us who the candidate is going to be without soliciting our input. That's exactly what the Republicans did last election. They didn't even have primaries, Bush was the appointed nominee.

The sooner people understand that, the better off we'll be. If you don't like the system and want to change it, it usually helps to understand what the facts are.

To address your point about caucuses

In order to find the best possible nominee, the Democratic Party consults a combination of ordinary normally lazy voters who get their news from the MSM AND Activists. Caucuses are their way of telling how the hard-working activists who've been paying attention to the issues and put their energy where their vote is are willing to work hard for.

They have Primary elections and caucuses so they can get a good picture before they invest for the kill.

I'm sure you can fill in all the dots to understand why this system makes the MOST sense for the party.
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  Turnout in primaries: 20%...turnout in caucuses: 5%. New report! andres hunter  May-27-08 08:21 PM   #0 
   Wow. Just wow!  sniffa   May-27-08 08:22 PM   #1 
   The caucuses are rigged by unions against Hillary.  nerovitch   May-27-08 08:54 PM   #40 
      why do you keep saying on various threads that Obama is bad but should be VP? nt  JoeIsOneOfUs   May-27-08 09:02 PM   #43 
      He's socking it to ya  sniffa   May-27-08 09:03 PM   #44 
      Didn't Clinton start out with most of the union support?  democrattotheend   May-27-08 09:37 PM   #64 
      I second that! n/t  Auntie Bush   May-27-08 09:41 PM   #67 
      Wow, the idiocy in this thread alone...  TwoSparkles   May-27-08 10:12 PM   #76 
      Keep dreaming. The race is over. Hillary didn't organize. She lost. Deal with it.  RBInMaine   May-27-08 10:34 PM   #88 
      Hillary didn't win. Must be rigged. Must throw out results.  jefferson_dem   May-27-08 10:57 PM   #90 
         Hey, even Bill is saying that Obama's victory is a "cover-up."  VolcanoJen   May-27-08 11:20 PM   #97 
   Talkleft is a pro-Hillary biased site  IWantAnyDem   May-27-08 08:22 PM   #2 
   Talkleft is reporting the facts.  NJSecularist   May-27-08 08:27 PM   #13 
   I'll never know  IWantAnyDem   May-27-08 08:31 PM   #18 
   You have read ONLY lies?  LisaM   May-27-08 08:35 PM   #25 
   Talk Left was certainly correct about the fake case against the Duke students.  pnwmom   May-27-08 09:25 PM   #56 
   It is kind of refreshing to know that some of the facts slant towards Hillary  hendo   May-27-08 09:09 PM   #46 
   Washington - Hillary did far better in the primaries  LisaM   May-27-08 09:14 PM   #47 
      There is no such thing as a Washington State Democratic Presidential Primary.  newmajority   May-27-08 10:19 PM   #80 
   The "primaries count, caucuses don't" meme has long been discredited,  Ken Burch   May-27-08 10:59 PM   #92 
   exactly.  mod mom   May-27-08 09:35 PM   #61 
   Armando.. is that you? How'd the Conference Call go? This the latest TPM ? (troll)  K Gardner   May-27-08 09:36 PM   #62 
   You mean a non-biased place like Countdown and Hardball?  Auntie Bush   May-27-08 09:44 PM   #70 
   I think all states should have primaries starting in 2012...  mckeown1128   May-27-08 08:23 PM   #3 
   I agree on all primaries. But you're wrong to say  pnwmom   May-27-08 09:20 PM   #50 
      Ohh stop spinning...  mckeown1128   May-27-08 11:11 PM   #95 
   Caucuses are unfair, but Clinton should have been prepared  hnmnf   May-27-08 08:23 PM   #4 
   no no no... it's " Hi Proud2BPiehole_munster " nt  mckeown1128   May-27-08 08:25 PM   #8 
      lol, I thought they all looked familiar.  billyoc   May-27-08 08:28 PM   #14 
   Welcom to DU  Jake3463   May-27-08 08:23 PM   #5 
   And to add to Jake's question: Who is the final model of cylon in the opera house?  Liberal Veteran   May-27-08 08:27 PM   #11 
   Gaeta  Jake3463   May-27-08 08:34 PM   #22 
      Nah. To easy. I'm hoping for Ellen Tigh.  Liberal Veteran   May-27-08 08:36 PM   #27 
         or Admiral Cain  Jake3463   May-27-08 08:38 PM   #29 
   They see the face of their one true God.  PM7nj   May-27-08 08:29 PM   # 
   I KNEW IT! Hillary is the final cylon!  Liberal Veteran   May-27-08 08:33 PM   #21 
   See? And this is why we must destroy the resurection ship  Moochy   May-27-08 09:22 PM   #53 
   First of all, Talk Left is very biased source.  PM7nj   May-27-08 08:24 PM   #6 
   Somebody ought to have visited Washington State  MikeNearMcChord   May-27-08 08:24 PM   #7 
   And there were still more people who voted in the primary  LisaM   May-27-08 08:30 PM   #16 
   Please quit spreading this lie  newmajority   May-27-08 10:23 PM   #81 
      There was, Obama won  KellyW   May-27-08 11:18 PM   #96 
   I live in WA state and I loathe the caucus system.  pnwmom   May-27-08 09:17 PM   #48 
      At least you didn't have to...  stillcool47   May-27-08 09:20 PM   #51 
      Voting in the primary here was quick. Nobody had to wait in line for several  pnwmom   May-27-08 09:44 PM   #68 
      You are 100% correct! Caucuses have got to go by the next election!  Auntie Bush   May-27-08 09:52 PM   #72 
         Who won the primaries in Ohio and Pennsylvania?  newmajority   May-27-08 10:28 PM   #82 
   The rules were known in advance to all this time  Tom Rinaldo   May-27-08 08:25 PM   #9 
   Well I can't speak for what is there for other states but in Washington  LisaM   May-27-08 08:26 PM   #10 
   It's a DAMNED SHAME that poor Hillary was not informed of all those  SoCalDem   May-27-08 08:27 PM   #12 
   I know. She must have hated pop quizes in school.  Liberal Veteran   May-27-08 08:34 PM   #24 
   I had a college professor who was BRUTAL  SoCalDem   May-27-08 08:37 PM   #28 
   Why didn't she GOOGLE IT? I would have.  rosebud57   May-27-08 08:45 PM   #34 
   This isn't about Hillary, at least not for me. It's about giving everyone  pnwmom   May-27-08 09:48 PM   #71 
   Squish It!  Moochy   May-27-08 08:29 PM   #15 
   Hello.  bigwillq   May-27-08 08:30 PM   #17 
   While You Were Sleeping  ProSense   May-27-08 08:31 PM   #19 
   Did anyone complain about Caucuses when Billy was running..how about when Hilly was inevitable?  Doityourself   May-27-08 08:32 PM   #20 
   yes-me  KellyW   May-27-08 11:29 PM   #98 
      I meant someone important..  Doityourself   May-27-08 11:31 PM   #99 
   Oh 12 posts..lol and starting trouble.. Ohhhh Brick Pizza in the oven!  Doityourself   May-27-08 08:34 PM   #23 
   I guess the money is good.  Endangered Specie   May-27-08 08:40 PM   #31 
   In three primaries that occurred in states that also had caucuses...  Secret_Society   May-27-08 08:35 PM   #26 
   I'm suprised they are still paying...  Endangered Specie   May-27-08 08:40 PM   #30 
   I'll SAY IT AGAIN!! Less = MORE to Obama and his peep!  indimuse   May-27-08 08:42 PM   #32 
   I'll SAY IT AGAIN!! Rules mean Zero to Clinton and her peep!  rosebud57   May-27-08 08:48 PM   #35 
      SYATC!  indimuse   May-27-08 08:51 PM   #38 
   K&R!!  indimuse   May-27-08 08:45 PM   #33 
   Hillary is the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful human being I've ever known in my life.  TahitiNut   May-27-08 09:37 PM   #65 
   Uncredentialed  indimuse   May-27-08 08:49 PM   #36 
   This is Hillary propaganda....  TwoSparkles   May-27-08 08:50 PM   #37 
   I think of Iowa as the gold standard for caucuses  Tom Rinaldo   May-27-08 08:53 PM   #39 
   We're one of the few that matter cycle after cycle.  BalancedGoat   May-27-08 09:28 PM   #59 
   The thing that is remarkable...  BalancedGoat   May-27-08 11:00 PM   #93 
   Only 4% less than the average for primaries.  BalancedGoat   May-27-08 09:26 PM   #57 
   No, it isn't. I've hated caucuses since I went to my first, 28 years ago.  pnwmom   May-27-08 10:07 PM   #74 
   So?  AldebTX   May-27-08 08:58 PM   #41 
   I thought the caucus in Washington state was a sham  LisaM   May-27-08 09:09 PM   #45 
   are you in touch with your..  stillcool47   May-27-08 09:34 PM   #60 
   The voters of the state strongly approved an initiative to choose the nominee  pnwmom   May-27-08 10:18 PM   #79 
      So are you saying..  stillcool47   May-27-08 10:50 PM   #89 
      The voters should have the right to decide, not the party insiders.  pnwmom   May-28-08 12:04 AM   #101 
         I doubt that very much...  stillcool47   May-28-08 12:15 AM   #104 
      If the voters in a state want a primary...  BalancedGoat   May-27-08 11:08 PM   #94 
         Do you have an initiative process? If you did, and the voters chose to have  pnwmom   May-28-08 12:09 AM   #103 
   One of my friends said she was there when a twenty-something woman  pnwmom   May-27-08 10:14 PM   #77 
   Wrong. Many people in caucus states have been trying to end them for YEARS.  pnwmom   May-27-08 10:11 PM   #75 
   400% - wow, that's some advanced math there. nt  JoeIsOneOfUs   May-27-08 09:01 PM   #42 
   Hillary has a hard time playing by the rules.  papapi   May-27-08 09:17 PM   #49 
   If caucuses are supposedly so unfair  rox63   May-27-08 09:20 PM   #52 
   Pretty amazing then how strong the caucuses are by those numbers  Gore1FL   May-27-08 09:24 PM   #54 
   It has to do with elasticity of voting. Yeah, I made up a term.  Zynx   May-27-08 09:36 PM   #63 
   Yeah, we know. Hillary knew, too.  ocelot   May-27-08 09:25 PM   #55 
   Strange how this all of a sudden became a problem on Feb. 5  FredScuttle   May-27-08 09:28 PM   #58 
   .  baldguy   May-27-08 09:38 PM   #66 
   Hi mods!  Moochy   May-27-08 09:44 PM   #69 
   Your post shows ignorance of what Primaries are about  Catherina   May-27-08 09:53 PM   #73 
   Now why don't you go bring me the hard evidence of every vote cast in Ohio and Pennsylvania  newmajority   May-27-08 10:15 PM   #78 
   jackson_dem, dat ya?  HawkeyeX   May-27-08 10:28 PM   #83 
   Was...Andres is no logner with us  thewiseguy   May-27-08 10:30 PM   #84 
      Such a shame. And after the lovely welcome party he got as reinforcement n/t  Catherina   May-27-08 10:58 PM   #91 
   you might ask then, why does the party like caucuses?  Hamlette   May-27-08 10:31 PM   #85 
   I don't believe anything coming from Hillary or her supporters at this point.  NormaR   May-27-08 10:32 PM   #86 
   THROW THE RULES IN THE TOILET BECAUSE YOU LOST! GOOD PLAN!!!!!!!  NormaR   May-27-08 10:33 PM   #87 
   What is GE turnout in caucus states vs primary states?  HooptieWagon   May-27-08 11:41 PM   #100 
   Who gives a flying fuck.  Bread and Circus   May-28-08 12:08 AM   #102 
   Locking  The Magistrate   May-28-08 12:19 AM   #105 
 

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