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VotesForWomen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 03:29 AM
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18. i'm not the only one who's noticed a certain cult-like quality to the O movement, and here's the dea
deal about any dem candidate's liberal bona fides: certainly, i would like a truly liberal candidate/president; there was a Kucinich bumpersticker on my car before there was a hillary sticker, but of course kucinich or any truly liberal, radical candidate would not have any chance to win at this juncture. so one has to make the choice to either pick a 'realistic' dem candidate and go for the short-term victory, or vote third-party, write-in etc., in the hopes of pulling the dem party to the left in the long term. i have done both. this time i decided to go for a 'realistic' candidate, and since hill and O are the only choices left, i picked hill because i think she's the most qualified. but here's what you apparently don't get: Obama is no more liberal, progressive, whatever you want to call it than hillary is. the cult of personality that has grown up around him thinks he is, and he will certainly let them believe that if it will get votes, but he is every bit as much of a centrist climber as any other candidate who had a realistic shot at getting the nom. how do i know that? because if he wasn't, he would have been out of the race ages ago, along with kucinich and anybody else who posed a threat to the establishment.
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  -If HRC had just stayed true to her Wellelsey '69 values, she'd HAVE the nom and we'd all be cheering Ken Burch  May-26-08 12:01 AM   #0 
  - Clinton ran as the best woman AND best man she could be...  Oregone   May-26-08 12:21 AM   #1 
  - good post. Thanks.  Ken Burch   May-26-08 12:58 AM   #2 
  - Wasn't she the president of the Young Republicans at Wellesley?  newmajority   May-26-08 01:09 AM   #3 
  - Only in her freshman year, and then she resigned. She moved more left later  Ken Burch   May-26-08 01:13 AM   #4 
  - She did stay true to her true self, she use to be a Repuke, I think in her old age she has  Heather MC   May-26-08 01:17 AM   #5 
  - And then when the campaign went south....  aaaaaa5a   May-26-08 01:39 AM   #6 
  - what a difference 39 years can make  hfojvt   May-26-08 02:11 AM   #7 
  - if hill had stayed true to some idealistic hippie values, she never would have gotten anywhere in p  VotesForWomen   May-26-08 02:52 AM   #8 
  - 'it's called the real world'. No, it's called crass political calculation, and when you're talking  impeachdubya   May-26-08 02:57 AM   #11 
  - i'm afraid you're giving O credit for simply not being in the senate when the IWR vote took place; t  VotesForWomen   May-26-08 03:44 AM   #21 
  - None of us have EVER called Obama "The Messiah".  Ken Burch   May-26-08 03:03 AM   #15 
  - i'm not the only one who's noticed a certain cult-like quality to the O movement, and here's the dea  VotesForWomen   May-26-08 03:29 AM   #18 
     - You know as well as I do that nominating the less progressive candidate  Ken Burch   May-26-08 03:39 AM   #20 
        - i must disagree that O is more progressive; i believe that his supporters have projected their own h  VotesForWomen   May-26-08 03:51 AM   #23 
           - There was no good reason to say it(and you can't be humane and say things like that)  Ken Burch   May-26-08 03:57 AM   #25 
              - I am not a 'hawk' by any stretch, but i am also not naive about the threats Israel faces, as i belie  VotesForWomen   May-26-08 04:15 AM   #28 
                 - 95% of the "threats" would end if the Palestinians finally got a state.  Ken Burch   May-26-08 05:15 AM   #30 
  - Why do you hate the very idea of idealism? Why assume that only a spiteful, rigid cynic can win?  Ken Burch   May-26-08 03:09 AM   #16 
  - uh, i voted nader in 2004 over IWR and other 'idealistic' things. please see my other response above  VotesForWomen   May-26-08 03:36 AM   #19 
     - How can it be better to nominate a candidate who hates idealism and idealists?  Ken Burch   May-26-08 03:44 AM   #22 
     - we might as well be speaking different languages, because the Obama you're talking about is not any  VotesForWomen   May-26-08 03:58 AM   #26 
        - I was talking more about idealism in general, not specifically "the war"  Ken Burch   May-26-08 04:56 AM   #29 
     - I see Obama with open eyes. And neither I nor anyone else see him as "the messiah"  Ken Burch   May-26-08 03:53 AM   #24 
        - OBAMA IS NOT MORE PROGRESSIVE THAN HILLARY!!! that is your opinion!!!  VotesForWomen   May-26-08 04:06 AM   #27 
  - Let's hear about Hillary the hippie chick  charlie   May-26-08 03:16 AM   #17 
  - The 1993 version would have been fine with me, too.  impeachdubya   May-26-08 02:53 AM   #9 
  - Goldwater Girl...that's what she stayed  Raine   May-26-08 02:55 AM   #10 
  - she never really changed  madrchsod   May-26-08 02:59 AM   #12 
  - If she showed the same bullheaded obstinacy  charlie   May-26-08 03:00 AM   #13 
  - Some current Republicans oppose the Iraq War too  sandnsea   May-26-08 03:02 AM   #14 

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